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Lighthouse

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Were the club right to remove Reed?  

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  1. 1. Were the club right to remove Reed?

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    • No
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    • Undecided
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SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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I can't see Hughes lasting much longer in all honesty, a defeat on Saturday would be the end for sure.

 

I think, in the near future, he's actually safer. Les's replacement would likely have to sack him & choose a successor.

 

Hmmmm as the official statement does not say Ross Wilson will oversee football matter in the interim as it should then I think we can assume he is toast as well !!!! good

 

Thing is, there's nobody on the board who know anything about football (other than Wilson) & even that is certainly questionable!

saintwbu

saintwbu

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Do DoF type figures bring their own staff like new manager's do? Wonder if Reed is the 'big name' to go, the replacement comes in and brings a manager/Ross Wilson replacement with him like Everton did with Silva and their DoF in the summer? Here's hoping.*

 

 

* I definitely don't blame Hughes for any of what's happening, but feel we could do with a complete overhaul to start fresh and lift everything/everyone.

SKD

SKD

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You would hope we're looking at similar sized, well managed clubs and who is in charge there both in Europe and the Championship. Not necessarily who is winning everything but who is the best managed and has a good history of managerial appointments and squad recruitment.

 

Wouldn’t be too bad a shout looking at Brentford’s DOF (Phil Giles) and Head of football operations (Rob Rowan) to replace Wilson and Reed.

 

Similar club to us, in terms of mentality (buy, develop, Sale). Always punch above their weight and seem to get manager appointments spot on.

Crab Lungs

Crab Lungs

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I would imagine the review of operations is to ensure that no one person has as much as influence of certain things as dear old Leslie did.

 

I wouldn’t expect Leslie’s replacement will wield as much totalitarian power... this will be a very much revised role with clearly defined parameters.

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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Moderators - can we have a poll, see who agrees and disagrees with the decision?

 

Would probably be the most one-sided poll on here since Kelvin won the MOTM poll for that Leeds game in 2011.

Saint Mikey

Saint Mikey

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We missed a trick by delaying this, and not getting Dan Ashworth in when he was clearly available. Don't have much confidence that it will be a suitable replacement that will get us out of this rut.

SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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May I be the first to say Wenger out.

 

Off to Milan isn't he?

 

We'll probably end up with Curbishley.

 

We missed a trick by delaying this, and not getting Dan Ashworth in when he was clearly available. Don't have much confidence that it will be a suitable replacement that will get us out of this rut.

 

Yup. 100%.

kelkel31

kelkel31

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wow didn't see that coming of course the interesting thing will be if getting rid of Les doesn't actually improve things...

 

Not quite the point, the general feeling was that if MH needs to go we didnt want Reed to be the one to replace him. I dont think most will think this will have a positive change to the on the field problems just have more positivity in that they could be resolved now moving forward with somebody else in charge of the football side.

saintoaks

saintoaks

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Positive decision by the club, Reed could not possibly continue with all the assets we have on the bench or on loan. Will be interesting to see how this pans out in the next week or so with Hughes.

SuperSAINT

SuperSAINT

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Weren't Dodd and Williams loved by the players? Big shame if that was why they left.

 

Yeah. Results were good too. I was led to believe (by somebody very reliable) that that was the case.

S-Clarke

S-Clarke

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Weren't Dodd and Williams loved by the players? Big shame if that was why they left.

 

Yeah, there was a big disagreement in coaching styles/preparation between them and Hunter/Reed - they were removed due to that, rather than anything from the players. As you said, they were well liked by all the lads - not sure if that's because they got an easy ride or not, but they were certainly pulling in the results!

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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Not quite the point, the general feeling was that if MH needs to go we didnt want Reed to be the one to replace him. I dont think most will think this will have a positive change to the on the field problems just have more positivity in that they could be resolved now moving forward with somebody else in charge of the football side.

 

I think it is kind of the point fans (and I include myself in this) look for scape goats Les has been the main one (Eric Black was another) for a while. If things don't get better, and I'm not convinced they will, who will be the next scape goat I wonder?

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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I think it is kind of the point fans (and I include myself in this) look for scape goats Les has been the main one (Eric Black was another) for a while. If things don't get better, and I'm not convinced they will, who will be the next scape goat I wonder?
Well seeing as it's basically Wilson, Reed and Ralph making the decisions apparently, if it continues to be this bad then the other two will hopefully not be too far behind.
corky morris

corky morris

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Time for the rest to leave.

Cant say im not worried by what or who will replace him, but it is time for a refresh.

In fairness, we should also be grateful for what he helped to achieve at the club. Just think we have lost sight of what our success was built on.

shurlock

shurlock

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I think it is kind of the point fans (and I include myself in this) look for scape goats Les has been the main one (Eric Black was another) for a while. If things don't get better, and I'm not convinced they will, who will be the next scape goat I wonder?

 

Maybe maybe not. Either way Les had far more influence on the direction of the club than a washed up jock who put the cones out during training and spoke a bit of French.

Lighthouse

Lighthouse

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I think it is kind of the point fans (and I include myself in this) look for scape goats Les has been the main one (Eric Black was another) for a while. If things don't get better, and I'm not convinced they will, who will be the next scape goat I wonder?

 

The idea of a scapegoat is that they get blamed for things they aren't actually responsible for. It's like saying Bin Laden was a scapegoat for 9/11. Reed has been responsible for a succession of very poor decisions, for which he has rightly been removed from his post. The Carrillo situation alone showed a bizarre lack of competence.

DT

DT

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Crikey. A bit of the tumour cut out. Sorry, that might be a bit strong. But hope it does something to lift the club.

SNSUN

SNSUN

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Something had to change but I fear the damage has already been done. Whether or not it is reversible remains to be seen, but if we’re still languishing near the bottom come January’s window I reckon we will be very active. Does this mean the club has faith in Hughes? As surely he would have been the obvious candidate to try and change things?

verlaine1979

verlaine1979

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Let' s see how Sparky does now without Les's shadow looming over him - it's going to be all down to him, for now at least.

 

I don't think it's Reed who made MH play 5 at the back all pre-season then immediately switch to an antiquated 4-4-2 45 minutes into the first league fixture. The tactical shambles is entirely of Hughes' own making.

trousers

trousers

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Voted 'Yes' in the poll.

 

I usually sit on the fence for such polls as it's impossible to answer an "Is the club right?" question until the dust has settled and enough time has passed to make a judgement. However, on this occasion I've gone for the gut feel answer.

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ecuk268

ecuk268

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You would have thought that they wouldn't have sacked Les without having his replacement lined up.

 

Can't afford to hang about with over a quarter of the season gone. If changes are going to be made, the sooner the better.

shurlock

shurlock

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This is like The Apprentice now, isn't it? We know one is going, then there's that pregnant pause when the door closes to see if he fires anyone else ... or will it be "Go back to the house, you two".

Watch this space.

 

You’re odd.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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The idea of a scapegoat is that they get blamed for things they aren't actually responsible for. It's like saying Bin Laden was a scapegoat for 9/11. Reed has been responsible for a succession of very poor decisions, for which he has rightly been removed from his post. The Carrillo situation alone showed a bizarre lack of competence.

 

Couldn't care less about Les leaving. As far as I'm concerned he did some good stuff for us and some bad stuff that last couple of seasons have been ****e though so everyone will just remember the bad and it was time to get some fresh blood in.

 

People watching on here is fun though so I'm just wondering who the forum will gun for next when/if things don't improve.

Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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I’m disappointed Glasgow. Was expecting something a bit more original pal. Like newspapers that have obituaries written years in advance, thought you’d be prepared for this great day.

 

Unlike Jose M I stay classy in these situations.

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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Maybe maybe not. Either way Les had far more influence on the direction of the club than a washed up jock who put the cones out during training and spoke a bit of French.

 

I think you are being pretty harsh on old Eric plenty on here assured me he was at the root of all our problems and his removal would make all the difference.. and it did... we got worse

DT

DT

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I wonder if this is well advanced, and we've only announced it now because the new man (presumably) has agreed to join?

Sheaf Saint

Sheaf Saint

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Rumours are Wilson has gone as well...

 

Can't say I'm surprised.

 

I really hope that the club have been planning this for a while and doing due diligence on replacements, and that this isn't just a knee-jerk sacking for the sake of it.

Unbelievable Jeff

Unbelievable Jeff

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I reckon old Gaoy’s been reading this board. Looks like it’ll be Glasgow and Batman as replacements, unbelievable Jeff as manager and Alpine as fitness manager.

 

Or "The Dream Team" as we're more commonly known...

doddisalegend

doddisalegend

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I wonder if this is well advanced, and we've only announced it now because the new man (presumably) has agreed to join?

 

Can't say I'm surprised.

 

I really hope that the club have been planning this for a while and doing due diligence on replacements, and that this isn't just a knee-jerk sacking for the sake of it.

 

Doesn't seem likely given the club statement

 

The search for the right replacement, along with a thorough review into the club’s football operations, has begun.

 

 

or the fact this has come right of the blue without any ITK leaks would suggest this wasn't planned to me.

 

 

Given our recent track record no doubt we will replace Les and Ross just after the Jan transfer window.....

Wade Garrett

Wade Garrett

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Hughes is toast.

 

You've got to hope that a replacement for Reed has already been sorted. Ralph could hardly come out and say 'we've been actively looking for a replacement for weeks'.

gordonToo

gordonToo

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Rumours are Wilson has gone as well...

 

If true, confirms what many have been saying for a long time that the club has had a major issue with recruitment since Paul Mitchell left.

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