OldNick Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I respect his decision not to wear a poppy, but as he dislikes the English/British so much why does he come here and take the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 James Who? There are many living here that hate us/England/UK and the Poppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I respect his decision not to wear a poppy, but as he dislikes the English/British so much why does he come here and take the money? Helicopter for McClean too pal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I respect his decision not to wear a poppy, but as he dislikes the English/British so much why does he come here and take the money? Because he wants the money obviously. There are certain organisations I don't like but I'd be quite happy to take their money. Principle are nice but they don't pay the bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 His choice, each to their own. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Matic also not wearing a poppy due to it reminding him of his village being bombed , even though he's been wearing them in previous years !? As most people have said it's their right not to but I think it is also the right of those who wish to criticise them for not doing so , That's the freedom our war dead have fought for isn't it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Who cares if he wants to wear one or not? Also, what has this got to do with Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 No one can agree why WW1 started but freedom of speech wasn’t one of the reasons. WW2 can be said to be a result of the Versailles treaty that plunged Germany into economic disaster and allowed the rise of the Nazis . These days remembrance is being hijacked by politics leading to faux outrage because someone appears on TV without wearing a poppy and is therefore disrespecting the armed forces. Not much publicity has been given to the disabled ex forces people who have lost their disability benefits under The new Universal Credit system which is an outrage IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 No one can agree why WW1 started but freedom of speech wasn’t one of the reasons. WW2 can be said to be a result of the Versailles treaty that plunged Germany into economic disaster and allowed the rise of the Nazis . These days remembrance is being hijacked by politics leading to faux outrage because someone appears on TV without wearing a poppy and is therefore disrespecting the armed forces. Not much publicity has been given to the disabled ex forces people who have lost their disability benefits under The new Universal Credit system which is an outrage IMO. I respect you and your faux outrage. Can you please take this to the muppet show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 FWIW I won't be wearing a poppy either. Political correctnesss gone mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I respect his decision not to wear a poppy, but as he dislikes the English/British so much why does he come here and take the money? Maybe he doesn’t dislike the British, just the armed forces? All this outrage is nonsense, it’s totally understandable why Irish wouldn’t want to wear them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Probably something to do with British soldiers shooting unarmed civilians in his home town, I’d imagine. You might not like it, but you can understand his personal viewpoint. Anyway, why are so many people poppy police these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Maybe he doesn’t dislike the British, just the armed forces? All this outrage is nonsense, it’s totally understandable why Irish wouldn’t want to wear them. Well he turned his back on the British national anthem pre season a few years back. The bloke is anti establishment, anti British and I’d go as far as saying a terroist supporter (quoting Bobby Sands on his Instagram post). He hates the queen, yet he’s happy to take the money with her face on it. He needs to f*ck off and play either in Ireland or for Celtic to end all this ****. I get his reasons for disliking the British armed forces, but he along with the small minority of knobhead celtic fans need to remember at the end of the day they are British and many of them would have had family members who died in WW1/WW2. Don’t agree with Matic not wearing one either, FWIW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I see it as a mark I’d respect for the country you reside in. If a country in the Middle East had something similar, I’d expect any ‘westerners’ to follow it as well. It’s all nonsense really. He could have just worn one (with a specialised to WW1/2) then this argument wouldn’t even take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I see it as a mark I’d respect for the country you reside in. If a country in the Middle East had something similar, I’d expect any ‘westerners’ to follow it as well. It’s all nonsense really. He could have just worn one (with a specialised to WW1/2) then this argument wouldn’t even take place. I’d just prefer it if we didn’t have them on the shirts. Only became a ‘thing’ about 10 years ago didn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I respect his decision not to wear a poppy, but as he dislikes the English/British so much why does he come here and take the money? Why do you not reference Matic in this title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 FWIW I won't be wearing a poppy either. Political correctnesss gone mad. It’s got absolutely nothing to do with being PC. It’s about respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 (edited) Well he turned his back on the British national anthem pre season a few years back. The bloke is anti establishment, anti British and I’d go as far as saying a terroist supporter (quoting Bobby Sands on his Instagram post). He hates the queen, yet he’s happy to take the money with her face on it. He needs to f*ck off and play either in Ireland or for Celtic to end all this ****. I get his reasons for disliking the British armed forces, but he along with the small minority of knobhead celtic fans need to remember at the end of the day they are British and many of them would have had family members who died in WW1/WW2. Don’t agree with Matic not wearing one either, FWIW. Do you really not understand why some people from Ireland might not have a great opinion of British armed forces? Just because he doesn’t respect the queen or the anthem doesn’t mean he hates all British people, even if he does that’s his opinion and I don’t have an issue with it. Each to their own. Edited 5 November, 2018 by aintforever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 It’s got absolutely nothing to do with being PC. It’s about respect. I’m not wearing one now, who am I disrespecting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morse Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 It’s got absolutely nothing to do with being PC. It’s about respect. Respect my ass. My Grandad fought all through WW1 in the Hampshire Regiment and never wore a poppy. My great uncle was killed at Gillipoli with the Royal Marines never got a chance to wear a poppy. Rewind the clock 20 years and see how many TV presenters, footballers and the general public were wearing poppies. Like I said political correctness gone mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 .. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 It’s got absolutely nothing to do with being PC. It’s about respect.Or not respecting, as the case may be. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Probably something to do with British soldiers shooting unarmed civilians in his home town, I’d imagine. You might not like it, but you can understand his personal viewpoint. Anyway, why are so many people poppy police these days? Precisely. I don't know why people get so wound up by it. I do think that there have been instances where McClean has gone a bit OTT with his show of disapproval. For example, no on is asking you to sing the national anthem, but you don't have to turn your back on it. But I can totally understand why he wouldn't wear a poppy. No-one should HAVE to wear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Harold Wilson sent in the British Army to protect the minority Catholic population originally! So it is ironic (as usual) that it all went ti*ts up and ended up As an undeclared war between the British Government and Catholic Irish . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plumstead_Saint Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 No one can agree why WW1 started but freedom of speech wasn’t one of the reasons. WW2 can be said to be a result of the Versailles treaty that plunged Germany into economic disaster and allowed the rise of the Nazis . These days remembrance is being hijacked by politics leading to faux outrage because someone appears on TV without wearing a poppy and is therefore disrespecting the armed forces. Not much publicity has been given to the disabled ex forces people who have lost their disability benefits under The new Universal Credit system which is an outrage IMO. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manzo Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I personally choose to respect those who died fighting fascism by not doing something just because someone told me to. If you want to wear one, that's completely fine, but all this faux outrage if someone doesn't wear one is just getting ridiculous. Sent from my CLT-L09 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 God everyone is offended by everything nowadays, snowmen now snowpeople. The day this world implodes the better. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 God everyone is offended by everything nowadays, snowmen now snowpeople. The day this world implodes the better. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk #mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 You are the biggest berk on this forum. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I bet he burns Grenfell effigies too, the monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 He is abit stupid really, irrespective of Bloody Sunday, many people died before that, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English etc. Catholic, Muslim all faiths died so he could kick a sack of air about and have his free speech. Should look at the bigger picture. But like everything, it’s his choice and shouldn’t be victimised for this. Anyway, I’m off to take reassign my gender to lawnmower default setting, see ya. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I think it's a pretty silly stance but it's equally silly to keep bringing it up every year. Leave him alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 He is abit stupid really, irrespective of Bloody Sunday, many people died before that, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, English etc. Catholic, Muslim all faiths died so he could kick a sack of air about and have his free speech. Should look at the bigger picture. But like everything, it’s his choice and shouldn’t be victimised for this. Anyway, I’m off to take reassign my gender to lawnmower default setting, see ya. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I thought this was more up your street. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/04/white-actor-identifies-black-criticised-winning-place-scheme/ #loveandlight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Such a shame that the Brexit brigade have hijacked the poppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I don’t have a problem with him not wearing one, although I do think he is a massive hypocrite given that he is happy to live in England etc. Turning his back on the anthem a few years ago was a step to far; that’s an active gesture of disrespect, when he could quite easily have stood there and done nothing like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 I thought this was more up your street. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/04/white-actor-identifies-black-criticised-winning-place-scheme/ #loveandlight Wtf is this ****e. World is broken Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 BTW, if you see someone wearing a white poppy, you are allowed to stab them in the head with a fork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 What’s a white poppy for? Do I even want to know Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 What’s a white poppy for? Do I even want to know Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Basically just people trying to hijack Remembrance Day with their pacifist, nuclear disarmament agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Basically just people trying to hijack Remembrance Day with their pacifist, nuclear disarmament agenda. As a moderator don't you think you should try and stay above the level of Cabbage Face et. al.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 Respect my ass. My Grandad fought all through WW1 in the Hampshire Regiment and never wore a poppy. My great uncle was killed at Gillipoli with the Royal Marines never got a chance to wear a poppy. Rewind the clock 20 years and see how many TV presenters, footballers and the general public were wearing poppies. Like I said political correctness gone mad. You've got all these boomers who you'd think fought in the war themselves the way they carry on. You don't need a poppy to pay respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 5 November, 2018 Share Posted 5 November, 2018 As a moderator don't you think you should try and stay above the level of Cabbage Face et. al.? What? I was asking a genuine question. Mess. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 6 November, 2018 Share Posted 6 November, 2018 All these people upset, offended and moaning about whether or not someone else wears a poppy, bunch of whining snowflakes in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 6 November, 2018 Author Share Posted 6 November, 2018 Interesting how people misread posts on here, I do the same. My opening words were 'I respect his decision' and then made the observation that as he hates the British why come here and take the money. Hypocrite IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 November, 2018 Share Posted 6 November, 2018 Interesting how people misread posts on here, I do the same. My opening words were 'I respect his decision' and then made the observation that as he hates the British why come here and take the money. Hypocrite IMO TBF if you really hated a nationality (which is pretty dumb) then surely one of the best things to do is to take all their cash and laugh? He probably loves the bit that gives him a load of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norwaysaint Posted 6 November, 2018 Share Posted 6 November, 2018 I don't really know anything about the guy, so I just googled him and this was the first hit. Seems reasonable to me and quite clearly states he doesn't hate the British. Hope that helps clear it up for you https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/james-mcclean-explains-why-he-refuses-to-wear-remembrance-day-poppy-on-west-brom-shirt-a6716081.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 6 November, 2018 Share Posted 6 November, 2018 Every year this happens. Surely people know he's not just going to change his view spontaneously? I see all the Stoke fans have turned against him now and Stoke City want to fine him, but they knew his stance when they signed him, so why are they so up in the air about it now? Something to complain/be offended about, I guess. I wonder what it will be next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 6 November, 2018 Share Posted 6 November, 2018 Interesting how people misread posts on here, I do the same. My opening words were 'I respect his decision' and then made the observation that as he hates the British why come here and take the money. Hypocrite IMO Don't know if i'm reading that wrong but are you taking his side? Because if you think coming from Derry means he's coming to Britain you're inferring that Derry isn't British, but is instead Irish... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 6 November, 2018 Share Posted 6 November, 2018 If wearing the poppy becomes mandatory then it will lose its meaning and power. I may not agree with him, but to each his own. It is a shame that he feels unable to pay his respects to those that died so he has the freedom to express that view point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 6 November, 2018 Share Posted 6 November, 2018 Don't know if i'm reading that wrong but are you taking his side? Because if you think coming from Derry means he's coming to Britain you're inferring that Derry isn't British, but is instead Irish... Northern Ireland isn’t part of Britain, so anyone from Derry isn’t British Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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