Man City 6-1 defeat dissection post match thread.

[Norm]

You never hear from Alpine anymore.

 

Understandable really. He posts, gets abuse, regardless of content. You take so much crap from the keyboard warriors, then say, **** it.

[JustMike]

Just seen the goals, **** me we are poor. Players walking ffs #hughesout

[Saint Fan CaM]

Sack Kruger, Reed, Hughes and whoever the recruitment guy is. Bring back in Mitchell and Adkins dream team.

[saintoaks]

Sack Kruger, Reed, Hughes and whoever the recruitment guy is. Bring back in Mitchell and Adkins dream team.

 

Have you seen how Hull are doing this season ? Saying that, they’ve got more points than we have !

[Shroppie]

https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/17200631.mark-hughes-has-blamed-southamptons-defeat-on-a-poor-start/

 

Hughes in total denial already I see

 

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I thought it was a fair and correct analysis.

 

We were certainly too weak early on and the damage was largely done in 18 mins.

 

After that City could play with total freedom. Cedric's blunder on half time killed any hope.

 

We were better in the second half and should gave scored at least two. If we'd started the second half at 1-3, it wouldn't have been as bad.

 

I guess McCarthy will be disappointed at being beaten at his near post for the fifth, and perhaps could gave been stronger for the last one. But although we had chances, they did too and could have had more.

 

I'm not suggesting that we were likely to get anything. We were playing an exceptional team at the top of their form and most opposition would have suffered a similar result.

 

But neither was it the abject spiritless failure being suggested by the usual suspects.

 

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[Shroppie]

A nine hour round trip to see your team beat 6-1 is pretty tough. Only consolation is a good stadium to visit and a truly outstanding team on view.

 

First the positives ...and bizarrely there were some, and that is in the second half we genuinely created some chances and played at times some good attacking stuff. We stretched them at times with pace and if we had more clinical finishing would have scored three goals which should always be enough to win a game. In that sense 6-1 is cruel.

 

However, the first 15 mins was as unacceptable as Wet Spam or Newcastle away last year. Awful body language, inability to get a challenge in and I feared after 3-0 down it could become an absolute rugby score. Hate to dig individuals out but our international full backs aren’t delivering I am afraid. No competition for places with Credric but I would drop one of my favourite players of recent years and that is Bertrand. His commitment in that awaful opening period was a disgrace.

 

I would not pull the trigger on Hughes just yet, would like to see where we are at halfway stage with eight more games needing us to have 13 more points. That looks a tough ask right now though

A fair assessment. Thank you.

 

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[Saints1976]

We're supposed to have the eighth highest wage bill in the country, players are stealing a living. There's no fight, the only way we can avoid relegation is the fact that there's a other clubs equally as bad as us. And even then it's a lottery.

[angelman]

I guess the main question is whether the players are still playing for the manager. By sounds of the 2nd half, they are. When that changes, you have to take action.

[Shroppie]

I guess the main question is whether the players are still playing for the manager. By sounds of the 2nd half, they are. When that changes, you have to take action.

There was plenty of spirit in the second half.

 

Yes, they're playing for Hughes and putting in the effort. But when you come with a game plan to keep it tight from the start, and are 0-3 down in 20 mins there's only going to be one outcome.

 

After our penalty I thought there was a flicker of hope but Cedric's mistake on half time killed it.

 

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[larry12]

He speaks highly of you.

 

OK, so you would rather have lightweights in midfield instead who are easy to dispossess. Fair enough.

 

If fit I would rather have Romeu playing any day than James(I refuse to mark anybody ever and just jog about aimlessly) Prowse. That pointless piece of shiiiiite.

[nta786]

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?60379-Manchester-City-away-build-up/page2#.W-AdTJP7TIU

 

not gloating or anything- but post number 80! I predicted 6-1 to City!!!

 

Now if only I placed money like Heisenburg eh...

[LaptopSaint]

There was plenty of spirit in the second half.

 

Yes, they're playing for Hughes and putting in the effort. But when you come with a game plan to keep it tight from the start, and are 0-3 down in 20 mins there's only going to be one outcome.

 

After our penalty I thought there was a flicker of hope but Cedric's mistake on half time killed it.

 

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I agree. We could and should have scored 3 (Ings on the rebound, and Shane shooting wide from a good pullback for the 493rd game in a row). But we didn’t.

I thought Danny Murphy was spot on on MOTD as well - we weren’t sitting back with massed defence, but nor were we pressing high. So it was neither one thing nor the other. We created more chances than many teams do at the Etihad but we also let them cut through us like a knife through butter. 8-3 would have been a fair reflection.

[hasper57saint]

Are the overpaid little darlings frightened of getting hurt? How many times did they just stand back and let City slice through them? It's a contact sport isn't it? Oh! Sorry. Not for some of our players!

[eelpie]

Sack Kruger, Reed, Hughes and whoever the recruitment guy is. Bring back in Mitchell and Adkins dream team.

 

This.

At least the players did their best for Adkins. They don't for Hughes.

[eelpie]

I agree. We could and should have scored 3 (Ings on the rebound, and Shane shooting wide from a good pullback for the 493rd game in a row). But we didn’t.

I thought Danny Murphy was spot on on MOTD as well - we weren’t sitting back with massed defence, but nor were we pressing high. So it was neither one thing nor the other. We created more chances than many teams do at the Etihad but we also let them cut through us like a knife through butter. 8-3 would have been a fair reflection.

Danny Murphy was spot on. But why on earth does Hughes push everyone up leaving the defence so exposed against probably the most skilled and ruthless team in the world? The naaivity of current tactics amazes me.

[austsaint]

This.

At least the players did their best for Adkins. They don't for Hughes.

 

If Adkins had the likes of Hoedt, Ward-Prowse, Redmond and Long in his starting team he would be tonked 6 - 1 as well.

[Big Ron fan]

If Adkins had the likes of Hoedt, Ward-Prowse, Redmond and Long in his starting team he would be tonked 6 - 1 as well.

 

Danny Fox? Kelvin?

[eelpie]

This.

At least the players did their best for Adkins. They don't for Hughes.

 

 

btw that fellow Billy Smart is scoring for fun in the Championship again.

[OldNick]

Cedric needs to be dropped as he should be a defender first, that he is not, and an attacking player 2nd. Again he is not as his final ball is rubbish.

How about us trying a different right back and seeing if that works

[cloggy saint]

Hoedt. I think that must be Dutch for "f**king sh*t player".

 

Actually it's unsurprisingly Dutch for hood or a certain type of hat.

[disconnect]

Cedric needs to be dropped as he should be a defender first, that he is not, and an attacking player 2nd. Again he is not as his final ball is rubbish.

How about us trying a different right back and seeing if that works

 

We dont really have another right back! Bednarek and Stephens have both played there once or twice and done ok, but obviously not their position. Valery in the U23 looks like a decent prospect, but probably not ready...

[wild-saint]

Actually it's unsurprisingly Dutch for hood or a certain type of hat.

 

A dutch cap maybe? seems to fit

[VectisSaint]

btw that fellow Billy Smart is scoring for fun in the Championship again.

 

What about Bertram Mills and Gerry Cottle? Mary Chipperfield could do a job for us. ?

[S-Clarke]

Cedric needs to be dropped as he should be a defender first, that he is not, and an attacking player 2nd. Again he is not as his final ball is rubbish.

How about us trying a different right back and seeing if that works

 

Unfortunately we don't have another right back, which is a disgrace given the quality of our 'first choice' one.

[OldNick]

Unfortunately we don't have another right back, which is a disgrace given the quality of our 'first choice' one.

that is appalling, another case of complacency.

[jam]

Unfortunately we don't have another right back, which is a disgrace given the quality of our 'first choice' one.

 

Was Pied particularly crap? I was a bit surprised he was let go considering out lack of alternatives.

[OldNick]

Unfortunately we don't have another right back, which is a disgrace given the quality of our 'first choice' one.

Its probably my imagination but I thought Ryan played right back on occasion

[benjii]

Actually it's unsurprisingly Dutch for hood or a certain type of hat.

 

Foreskin?

[beatlesaint]

Was Pied particularly crap? I was a bit surprised he was let go considering out lack of alternatives.

 

He wasnt that bad to be honest, never got much of a chance due to injury unfortunately.

[Useful Idiot]

Pied had a good first touch and a decent cross. After he did his knee ligaments he had very little pace, though.

[Topcat]

One thing is clear. With the England Manager watching yesterday's match, Bertrand is not getting a recall to the England side for a long long time.

[hackedoff]

One thing is clear. With the England Manager watching yesterday's match, Bertrand is not getting a recall to the England side for a long long time.

 

A quick tap up from Klopp in January,and he will be straight in there.

[Dalek2003]

I still look in occasionally, but theres not much point in posting any more to be honest. Its not as if anyone is interested in what I write.

 

This club and this site is a busted flush. We are so going down. The manager is now irrelevant to this process. Totally. 3 we've tried, and the results are just getting worse as we make more and more p*ss poor on-the-cheap recruitment decisions.

 

Unless there is a root-and-branch change at the club, we are totally b*ggered.

 

Yep, it has been a slow painful but steady decline. I coined the phrase 'sleepwalking to relegation' three years and we have been heading that way eve since.

[suewhistle]

The great thing about being otherwise engaged on a Sunday is that I managed to miss watching the game. Saw on my phone at HT that we started with an og by Hoedt, and conceded in the last minute of the half, so all seemed to be going as forecast. I heard a bit of Solent which described a few promising moves, they detailed just how much MC had paid for their individual players, JWP seemed to be playing well and then I lost interest again and it was no surprise when they scored a couple more.

 

I haven't fallen out of love with football yet: I was playing, we won and I scored a goal, but the Saints aspect is getting increasingly depressing.

[shurlock]

The great thing about being otherwise engaged on a Sunday is that I managed to miss watching the game. Saw on my phone at HT that we started with an og by Hoedt, and conceded in the last minute of the half, so all seemed to be going as forecast. I heard a bit of Solent which described a few promising moves, they detailed just how much MC had paid for their individual players, JWP seemed to be playing well and then I lost interest again and it was no surprise when they scored a couple more.

 

I haven't fallen out of love with football yet: I was playing, we won and I scored a goal, but the Saints aspect is getting increasingly depressing.

 

JWP playing well? He was abysmal.

[doddisalegend]

JWP playing well? He was abysmal.

 

Now you've done it Mosin will be along soon....

[Shroppie]

JWP playing well? He was abysmal.

Him tripping over the ball led to the first goal.

 

He put in some decent free kicks and corners and otherwise wasn't any worse than most of the others.

 

The problem was a collective lack of intensity from the start.

 

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[shurlock]

Him tripping over the ball led to the first goal.

 

He put in some decent free kicks and corners and otherwise wasn't any worse than most of the others.

 

The problem was a collective lack of intensity from the start.

 

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Should have done much better for the third goal too. Other than his shot in the second half, was largely invisible in open play (though tbf Hoj was even less visible).

Edited 5 November, 2018 by shurlock

[Topcat]

A quick tap up from Klopp in January,and he will be straight in there.

Bertrand is playing at League 1 level. He is not good enough for Liverpool. Are any of our current players up to their standard now?

[austsaint]

Bertrand is playing at League 1 level. He is not good enough for Liverpool. Are any of our current players up to their standard now?

 

I think Lemina is the one most likely to be picked up, and maybe Hojbjerg - if we stay up.

[Topcat]

I think Lemina is the one most likely to be picked up, and maybe Hojbjerg - if we stay up.

I mean the standard that liverpool are now at. I cannot see any of ours attracting Liverpool any day soon.

[Badger]

Foreskin?

 

Wasn't he a goalkeeper ?

[LaptopSaint]

City fans on the train home were bigging up Lemina. I said we’d take De Bruyne in part exchange.

[Dark Munster]

Isn’t that then just the premier league and championship under different names? [emoji848]

Yes.

 

[Saint Albert]

Interesting read by Richard Jolly on Sunday’s debacle...

 

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/southampton-are-sleepwalking-into-trouble-under-the-underachieving-mark-hughes-1.788242

[simo]

Interesting read by Richard Jolly on Sunday’s debacle...

 

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/southampton-are-sleepwalking-into-trouble-under-the-underachieving-mark-hughes-1.788242

 

Mentions the skates twice in that article for absolutely no reason whatsoever, must be who he supports !

[Saint Albert]

Mourinho’s offered up Southampton’s ****ty performance last weekend against City as an excuse for yesterday’s Man U loss in the Manchester derby...

 

“It's a heavy result for the effort of a team that had three away matches in the same week, with a super difficult match of a high, demanding level in Juventus against a team that had two friendly matches at home against Southampton and Shakhtar," Mourinho told BBC Radio 5 live.”

[OttawaSaint]

Mourinho’s offered up Southampton’s ****ty performance last weekend against City as an excuse for yesterday’s Man U loss in the Manchester derby...

 

“It's a heavy result for the effort of a team that had three away matches in the same week, with a super difficult match of a high, demanding level in Juventus against a team that had two friendly matches at home against Southampton and Shakhtar," Mourinho told BBC Radio 5 live.”

 

Some notice board material for our upcoming game against them. I wonder if our players will respond accordingly, doubt it.

[Cabbage_Face]

Mourinho’s offered up Southampton’s ****ty performance last weekend against City as an excuse for yesterday’s Man U loss in the Manchester derby...

 

“It's a heavy result for the effort of a team that had three away matches in the same week, with a super difficult match of a high, demanding level in Juventus against a team that had two friendly matches at home against Southampton and Shakhtar," Mourinho told BBC Radio 5 live.”

 

He is such a moaning prat, really dislike him now. At one point Man City utterly schooled them. He cannot take Pep being better than him.