Man City 6-1 defeat dissection post match thread.

[saint lard]

Just terrible from top to bottom.

And I had 5-1 in the prediction league.

 

Regime change needed. On and off the pitch.

 

 

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[Heisenberg]

7 goal thriller

[Saint-Fred]

Is there one person surprised? We are rubbish they are very good.

[jawillwill]

To be fair, if you ignore the unlucky own goals and goals that were scored in injury time, we only lost 3-1. I'd have snapped your hands off for that before kick off.

[Saint Albert]

We looked like the team of mugs, amateurs and has-beens that they usually put out to get embarrassed against the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

A hopeless, defensively incompetent display by a team of thoroughly demoralized players.

[OttawaSaint]

Looked like a pub team. Embarrassing to hear the pundits on both Canadian channels here shaking their heads and commenting just how lacklustre and devoid of ideas we have become.

[Heisenberg]

We seem to have given loads on Facebook and Twitter a good laugh.

[Ade]

Reed and Kruger won't go, although God knows they should. So change must come by getting rid of the cancer that is Mark Hughes and his coaching team. Clueless, the ****ing lot of them. This squad is better than that, but they are not getting anywhere near what they should out of these players. Having unfit players is the ultimate **** take though, there's no excuse for that. Because of that alone he should be sacked, quite apart from the fact that he is absolutely ****ing useless and a complete fraud as a manager.

[badgerx16]

3 possibilities;

1) The players respond positively and we get 6 points from Watford and Fulham, and the team gain some self-belief

2) Hughes is sacked

3) nothing changes, at least until the close of the January window

 

I reckon #3.

[shurlock]

Time for Goa to make some big calls.

[OldNick]

Reed and Kruger won't go, although God knows they should. So change must come by getting rid of the cancer that is Mark Hughes and his coaching team. Clueless, the ****ing lot of them. This squad is better than that, but they are not getting anywhere near what they should out of these players. Having unfit players is the ultimate **** take though, there's no excuse for that. Because of that alone he should be sacked, quite apart from the fact that he is absolutely ****ing useless and a complete fraud as a manager.

the squad is not better than that.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Shambles

[gammon cheeks]

See Koeman was wathcing from the stands must be thinking "What the fook has happend to the club! "

[OttawaSaint]

Palace showing us how to hang around and show some fight. 1-1 vs Chelsea so far. Chelsea the lion’s share of possession but Palace keeping shape and fighting hard.

 

#mustbenice

[Faz]

Whilst I take little comfort from it, we did actually lay gloves on them a few times, which is more than most teams have done this season, and played well in parts - 6 shot on target when their average is something ridiculous like 1.8.

 

They are just so clinical.

 

Oh, and in Benjamin Mendy, they comfortably had the worst player on the pitch.

 

Farewell Sparky.

[JoeShmoe]

Gone from concerned to angry to apathy

 

The manager is s**t, the board is s**t, the owner doesnt give a F**k and neither do the players

 

Has Sunderland / League 1 written all over it

[Pamplemousse]

We did play well for a little bit, but sadly we can never perform for 90 minutes.

[CanadaSaint]

Utterly bemusing formation-wise, considering that everyone knows about City's wide threat with Silva and Sané.

 

Cedric, who can have trouble containing one decent attacker, is given two to handle in loads of space. Meanwhile, JWP, who could be out there helping him, is getting in the way of PEH and Lemina in the middle while they're trying to protect the back four.

 

But the far bigger problem isn't the stuff on the pitch or the touchline, as bad as it is. There are few sides even on City's planet, never mind at our end of the table.

 

The owners and Ralph know SFA about football, so Reed has them completely by the nuts. Even if they knew that he was the problem, they'd have no idea what to do about it. They need to start meeting with some football people who can tell them what everyone else knows because it's been clearly apparent for two or three years.

 

If you have to keep changing managers, and keep seeing expensive signings sitting on the bench, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that it's time to look one level up from the manager.

[It's There]

Lack of fitness is a key result of poor training and management. Fitness leads to being able to compete for 90 minutes. This may help kickstart a bit of luck needed to get points. The players clearly have little confidence in the current regime and must be very frustrated (those that remember Poch training like JWP or have been at a top club like Ings) or not now any different (not bright maybe). They have to do as they are instructed- so do the instructions needs to change? Yes.

I believe we have some good players who are underperforming. They are not world beaters- but with a wind of change could be nearer between 8-12th even his season, though I'd settle for 17th again on the basis that we can improve with the right set up.

It's time the club's leadership did some proactive actions- sadly meaning yet another manager change + also re thinking our coaching strategies. We need someone with a clear vision and fire in their belly- and a modern approach.

[Faz]

Palace showing us how to hang around and show some fight. 1-1 vs Chelsea so far. Chelsea the lion’s share of possession but Palace keeping shape and fighting hard.

 

#mustbenice

 

Are Palace playing City?

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

7 points from 11 games, is relegation form. And not good enough. The players are not good enough, and unbelievable already look resigned to it (relegation). Hughes is just not working for the team, as are a lot of players and need to go. Wreck it Ralph, G-Reed & Wilson, should go. AS their recruitment has been, p*ss poor at best, Shambolic at worst. But were be in the bottom 3 , with a handful of games left before changes are made. But it will fail this time!!

[Crab Lungs]

Did you just say proactive actions from the leadership?

 

Good luck with that one!

 

Everyone knows Les remains calm and unflustered in these situations.

[Cabbage_Face]

********

 

 

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[OttawaSaint]

Are Palace playing City?

 

Obviously not but they are playing Chelsea, another of the title contenders that regularly dispatches of **** like Saints. We can only dream of somehow taking a point off a top 6 team.

[kyle04]

3 possibilities;

1) The players respond positively and we get 6 points from Watford and Fulham, and the team gain some self-belief

2) Hughes is sacked

3) nothing changes, at least until the close of the January window

 

I reckon #3.

 

3 certainties I reckon :

 

1) Watford 0-2 defeat, followed by Fulham 0-0.

2) Hughes keeps his job.

3) We are going down.

 

The psychological effect of this hammering is hard to overestimate, assuming the players still give a f*** which at the moment is debatable.

It's only one game against superior opposition but I think we've hit a new low today.

Still , at least we'll be first on MOTD !

[Miltonaggro]

Not defeat but manner of the defeat. I wanted Hughes to stay at the end of last season, thought he’d earned that to be honest, but we now look lacklustre and bereft of ideas to a man; lacking in fitness and careless. Hate to say it but to have a decent chance to stay up we may need yet another change ASAP. In any sane universe Reed and wee Ross just have been long gone by now, plus Krueger in all honesty - three professional chancers stealing a living. The lack of direction from Gao at the very top is worrying and seems to be a principal cause of the malaise, either lost in translation or couldn’t care less - who knows? Question in who could you bring in to galvanise this lot, a decent CEO for Krueger would be easy, give Mitchell Reed and Wilson’s joint salary to come in as Head of Football ops and recruitment would seem sensible, but who as the manager at this point, goodness knows!

[It's There]

Managers - who are the options? Ranieri ( at least would garner respect), Bruce ( no fool- good at getting promoted from Champuoinship, Howe (may be difficult to prise away), a foreigner in the mold of Emery or Tuchel, a recently retired player in the Lampard/Gerald mold?

Surely there is a better option

[Micky]

Didn't watch it, didn't listen to it, but not overly surprised at the scoreline as that is the gulf between clubs at the top of the premiership and those at the bottom.

 

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[Faz]

Obviously not but they are playing Chelsea, another of the title contenders that regularly dispatches of **** like Saints. We can only dream of somehow taking a point off a top 6 team.

 

Have Palace taken a point then?

[Saint86]

See Koeman was wathcing from the stands must be thinking "What the fook has happend to the club! "

 

Know. He was smug think Reed had it coming.

[OttawaSaint]

Have Palace taken a point then?

 

No. Where did I say they had?

 

Just preferring the fight other teams seem to show. We’re dead and buried once the first goal is in.

[Saint Albert]

Hughes talks about today’s effort...

 

“Opening period is always important in any game and we didn't really acquit ourselves well. City will always ask questions and have a lot of talent, power and pace. They create two versus ones in good areas. You need to be more aggressive than we were able to show. We found ourselves 3-0 down and to all extents and purposes the game is gone.

 

"I was more pleased second half that we showed some pride. The scoreline is maybe a bit of a harsh state from our point of view. But you have to hold your hands up, City are a very good team.

 

"Going forward we caused them some problems. We could have made the scoreline more palatable."

[Micky]

Have Palace taken a point then?

Currently 3 - 1 down. Point unlikely.

 

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[beatlesaint]

Clubs FB Page describes it as a grim day......

 

A grim day ? A grim two and a half years you ****in clowns

No disgrace losing to best team in the country IF you put in the effort, look like a team and give it a go BUT to defend like a pub team and have absolutely no clue is unforgivable.

I don’t want to read any ******** about a better effort second half - it was 4-1 then and City were in cruise mode.

This club is on its arse and nobody on the board or the missing bloody owner seem to give a toss. Utter disgrace.

[derry]

First goal JWP as he does, tackled like a weakling and presented the ball to Aguero. Sterling on Hoedt's shoulder was off side and interfering. Second goal Lamina couldn't be arsed to fill in and spectated allowing the gap to be exploited. Fourth goal, the weak Soares robbed on the goal line should have put his foot through it. Poor decision making.

 

We were better in the second half. JWP was put in to do a job which he didn't even remotely do. Armstrong and Obafemi looked useful when they came on. Great ball from Bertrand for Ings. There is a team in there somewhere. McCarthy had little chance, Soares is ok on the ball but defends poorly. Stephens was ok, Hoedt both good and bad. He is very weak on his right side. Bertrand was exposed by the quick passing and lack of help from Lamina. Hojbjerg caught in possession too often. Lamina looked good at times but doesn't like doing the hard yards. Ings and Long worked their socks off against a defence that hadn't conceded a goal in ten games.

 

Our tackling is physically weak. I lost count of the times we challenged for the ball weakly and City players took the ball. It's about time our player blocking the ball, gets his head and shoulder and all his weight over the ball and cleans out the opponent by tackling strongly. Dangling a foot doesn't cut it.

 

We were not bad attacking in the second half against possibly the best team in Europe. Against lesser teams I think we will do alright. Shame we were caught on the break and few of the players busted a gut to get back goal side and help out.

[beatlesaint]

On BBC website Hughes states “we were a bit lightweight”

 

umm you picked the ****in team dimwit

[Greenridge]

Gone from concerned to angry to apathy

 

The manager is s**t, the board is s**t, the owner doesnt give a F**k and neither do the players

 

Has Sunderland / League 1 written all over it

 

And therein lies the problem. We have issues throughout every element of the club. We have systemic problems not isolated fixable problems.

[badgerx16]

Against lesser teams I think we will do alright.

Presumably that includes Newcastle, Brighton, and Bournemouth, and what about Wolves ?

[Dark Munster]

Managers - who are the options? Ranieri ( at least would garner respect), Bruce ( no fool- good at getting promoted from Champuoinship, Howe (may be difficult to prise away), a foreigner in the mold of Emery or Tuchel, a recently retired player in the Lampard/Gerald mold?

Surely there is a better option

[Lord Duckhunter]

Presumably that includes Newcastle, Brighton, and Bournemouth, and what about Wolves ?

 

You’ve left Palace out.

 

 

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[Ashby Saint]

*******

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

More Hughes Flim-Flam!! https://audioboom.com/posts/7072573-listen-to-saints-boss-mark-hughes-after-the-6-1-defeat-at-man-city

[OttawaSaint]

Presumably that includes Newcastle, Brighton, and Bournemouth, and what about Wolves ?

 

Yes I’m salivating at the prospect of us sleepwalking through the Watford and Fulham games too.

[badgerx16]

You’ve left Palace out.

 

But we beat them, so at least in their case Derry is correct.

[CB Fry]

Presumably that includes Newcastle, Brighton, and Bournemouth, and what about Wolves ?

And Burnley.

[angelman]

I find myself not caring any more. A shame maybe, but ultimately it is what the footballing powers want, and they have got it. Big 6 winning easily again.

 

As things stand, Saints vs Big 6 this season. Played 3. Lost 3. Goals for 1. Goals against 12.

[Dark Munster]

Time for Goa to make some big calls.

I don't think he's even capable of making small calls.

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

[qwertyell]

 

That's not jolly at all.

 

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[saint1977]

 

Would be a good call but given the situation with Leicester’s owner, I can see him being loyal to Leuven and the family.

 

WGS is similar to what you are describing and would pistol whip these lazy flops into submission and get them fighting fit. He would not take any s hit whatsoever from Reed, but Les has to go anyway, along with his social care e,g. Wee Ross the tea boy.

 

If Gao was vaguely smart, he’d appoint an abrasive manager that Les and Ralph couldn’t work with, but he won’t because he hasn’t got a f ucking clue.