ally_uk Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Les Reed? Kruegar? Gao? The Manager? Tactics? Coaching? I heard a rumor Kelvin Davis was giving squad shooting drills? Surely this cannot be true? Players? Identity? Do we even have one? Our players used to play attractive attacking football. They looked fit compare to now, Our players are unfit, look disinterested. How can we go forwards? Sack everyone lol Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Sammy Saint is doing the shooting drills, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Eric Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 1) Player Recruitment (this includes Selling and Buying) 2) Persisting with "youth products" who are not good enough and taking up squad space 3) Managerial Recruitment 4) Les Reed, Krueger etc 5) Wesley Hoedt 6) Mark Hughes 7) Southampton Way and We March On BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Clappers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Eric Black :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Eric Black Was such a strange infatuation from our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Mark Hughes. We'd be ****ing bang average if it weren't for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericb Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 The premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Les Reed? Kruegar? Gao? The Manager? Tactics? Coaching? I heard a rumor Kelvin Davis was giving squad shooting drills? Surely this cannot be true? Players? Identity? Do we even have one? Our players used to play attractive attacking football. They looked fit compare to now, Our players are unfit, look disinterested. How can we go forwards? Sack everyone lol Thoughts? ****e fans that leave 5 minutes before the end at 0-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 ****e fans that leave 5 minutes before the end at 0-0 ****e mongboarders who drone on and on about how paying fans choose to act in the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Saints Media Team, Keep posting videos of us beating traffic cones 5-0 in training, and videos of us beating giants like Stockport and Rochdale 1-0. Makes fans think we will beat Man City 10-0. Driving expectations up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Saints Media Team, Keep posting videos of us beating traffic cones 5-0 in training, and videos of us beating giants like Stockport and Rochdale 1-0. Makes fans think we will beat Man City 10-0. Driving expectations up. I do like it when they do Facebook ones like In three words what will happen this weekend. The backlash is epic. Sod being Saints Media team in times like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 We MUST play two up front. Oh wait.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conaero Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 In one word...confidence. Where we sank to league 1 and started from nothing, we gained a momentum and a belief. This has been torn apart by the management structure with sales, change of managers, owners, etc. How do we fix it...I dont know but relegation should not be viewed as a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 misplaced arrogance. oh the blackbox and the southampton way and our recruitment etc etc etc when reed used to do stupid snippets- became so far up our ar*ses when in reality our transfer success from 2014 and 2015 were one-offs over something we would ever do regularly. we need a change at top of hierarchy- les reed and ralph need to go before any further damage is done- the rot started with them and is continuing with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Club surveys about "match day experience" - we just want to experience a win or even a goal ffs, couldn't give a **** about burgers, brass bands, PA systems, fireworks, light shows. The product on the pitch is the only thing that ****ing matters - and it is sub standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 After much thought.... I've come to the conclusion everything went tits up when the Saints band started playing outside the stadium on matchdays. Oh that and the ****ing flamethrowers on matchdays like the team are running out to the CL final rather than pub standard level of game against Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Club surveys about "match day experience" - we just want to experience a win or even a goal ffs, couldn't give a **** about burgers, brass bands, PA systems, fireworks, light shows. The product on the pitch is the only thing that ****ing matters - and it is sub standard. This 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Same mistakes and bloody mindedness made over and over again in the hope that this time things might change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/southamptons-shooting-drills-solely-theoretical-strikers-confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Awful manager, worse coaching set up, spoilt players, too many bad apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 We don't have enough money nor enough status to be anything other than average. Today's 16 million £ player is yesterday's free transfer. We could change anything you like but until we can get better than average players we'll be scrubbing about with the win some, lose more also rans. That said, we'll not go down because there are 3 teams worse than us. Just as there were last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 misplaced arrogance. oh the blackbox and the southampton way and our recruitment etc etc etc when reed used to do stupid snippets- became so far up our ar*ses when in reality our transfer success from 2014 and 2015 were one-offs over something we would ever do regularly. we need a change at top of hierarchy- les reed and ralph need to go before any further damage is done- the rot started with them and is continuing with them. The trouble was if you had made this comment in 2014 you would have been ridiculed and shouted down by the very same people who are NOW claiming we WERE arrogant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Our buy low sell high policy has run out of steam. The cupboard is now bare. Great while it lasted, we made a lot of money. Then we wasted it. The irony is if our newer signings had been successful they would be sold at some point soon. The predatory top 6 clubs just asset strip the rest, even league champions Leicester couldn't keep their best players (I'm surprised Vardy is still there). I know it's easy to blame the system when your team is failing, but we are a victim of the PL global top 6 brand, mere also-rans or cannon fodder to the greedy elite. If you don't replace what you let go, and no club can do that forever, and when the youth system fails to produce (we are not alone there) , well, thats where we are now. It'll never happen but I wonder what a truely great manager could do with what players we have.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Foam hands and jesters hats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Ross Wilson has a lot to answer for. If Reed is looking for a scapegoat, then I am surprised this man has not been replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Cortese leaving etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Has anyone blamed Lowe or Jermaine Wright yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry12 Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Ross Wilson has a lot to answer for. If Reed is looking for a scapegoat, then I am surprised this man has not been replaced. It may come as a shock to find that Les Reed runs all of Saints Football inc buying and selling, Academy,hiring and sacking Managers every season and lately picking Les Reed's own squad to hand over to Puel and Mope when he has finished his transfer business. He actually thought that bringing in Redmond was a master stroke. HE is the complete t*sser to blame for everything Football at Saints going down the u-bend at a fast rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 It may come as a shock to find that Les Reed runs all of Saints Football inc buying and selling, Academy,hiring and sacking Managers every season and lately picking Les Reed's own squad to hand over to Puel and Mope when he has finished his transfer business. He actually thought that bringing in Redmond was a master stroke. HE is the complete t*sser to blame for everything Football at Saints going down the u-bend at a fast rate. Reed has done more good than harm for our club. It's only in the last 2-3 years that things have turned sour. Don't get me wrong, I think it's time he left but there have been good times with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Reed has done more good than harm for our club. It's only in the last 2-3 years that things have turned sour. Don't get me wrong, I think it's time he left but there have been good times with him. You know what, I’d like to think this is true but look at the trend in decline. Cortese left, Lallana and Lambert left, the black box chap left (can’t remember name as I type this) and from that point Reed was managing a legacy that he couldn’t sustain. Some may say that’s not his fault, but it is...he oversaw the hiring of replacements that were not of the same order. Why? Because Kruger was told by Kat to reign in the spending while she plotted her escape. The writing has been on the wall for years now and we’re likely to see the result at the end of this season. If we drop out of the Prem I don’t expect a quick return...possibly never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 The big owner and his Canadian sidekick are putting 100% of the blame completely with the players. They are not happy at all. One thinks they need to look closer to home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayling Saint Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Our buy low sell high policy has run out of steam. The cupboard is now bare. Great while it lasted, we made a lot of money. Then we wasted it. The irony is if our newer signings had been successful they would be sold at some point soon. The predatory top 6 clubs just asset strip the rest, even league champions Leicester couldn't keep their best players (I'm surprised Vardy is still there). I know it's easy to blame the system when your team is failing, but we are a victim of the PL global top 6 brand, mere also-rans or cannon fodder to the greedy elite. If you don't replace what you let go, and no club can do that forever, and when the youth system fails to produce (we are not alone there) , well, thats where we are now. It'll never happen but I wonder what a truely great manager could do with what players we have.. SPOT ON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Bad strategy: - Long contracts to average players made them complacent. - Recruiting other clubs bench players; i'd rather a player that is unproven but has shown the potential to sign for a top team rather than a player that was let go by a big team because they weren't good enough. - Too many 1st team players (quantity over quality); competition is not always good. Some players respond negatively and get ****ed off at not playing each week. Squad harmony drops. No pathway for our youth players either. Bad coaching: - Our u23's got relegated and nothing. I think Martin Hunter even got promoted to technical director. Rewarding failure. - Kelvin Davis is in all likelihood not ready for his role. Not sure how much a GK with no coaching experience can be made 1st team coach. - Dave Watson as set piece coach. For years we've been awful at these. Nothings been done about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 Eric Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 In one word...confidence. Where we sank to league 1 and started from nothing, we gained a momentum and a belief. This has been torn apart by the management structure with sales, change of managers, owners, etc. How do we fix it...I dont know but relegation should not be viewed as a bad thing. I agree. It should be viewed as a ****ing terrible thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 30 October, 2018 Share Posted 30 October, 2018 We don't have enough money nor enough status to be anything other than average. Today's 16 million £ player is yesterday's free transfer. We could change anything you like but until we can get better than average players we'll be scrubbing about with the win some, lose more also rans. That said, we'll not go down because there are 3 teams worse than us. Just as there were last season. Patently not the whole problem.... How about coaching and bizarre personnel choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint WGC Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 Where do I start? Loved going to the dell, don't enjoy St Mary's match day experience or atmosphere these days. No really exciting players to watch and no feeling that many of them care either. Totally uninspiring and unimaginative manager selections by the board. Hughes was always a short term fix and should have walked away with his money in the summer. Totally uninspiring signings. Spin by the saints media.....recent email received last week with headline along the lines of "HUGHES: We're almost where we want to be" - is this for real? Maybe it had a different meaning but couldn't be bothered to read it to be honest. Negative approach from team - maybe players should be banned from passing the ball backwards. Of course I don't mean that but why do we regularly have the ball on the edge of the opposition's box and it ends up being passed back in our half to the centre backs or even the keeper. Possession stats obsession really winds me up. Mersin on Soccer Saturday said about Saints, "all they're bothered about is finishing 17th now, I don't know what's happened to them"! Like it or not, he's spot on. What's happened to our academy and young players. Dreadful team selections by the manager - pick the best eleven each week and stop leaving people out of the 18 then starting with them next game. In my view, Gabbi should start alongside Ings for six games at least, give him the confidence that he'll get a run of games and hope his form and confidence return. We are pretty poor, only positive is that we are creating quite a few chances - the negative is we're missing nearly all of them! Advice to Nathan Redmond: when you take players on, you look decent and are a threat. When you constantly turn inside and pass the ball backwards, you may as well be on the bench. BE POSITIVE FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golac's Iron Gonads Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 In one word...confidence. Where we sank to league 1 and started from nothing, we gained a momentum and a belief. This has been torn apart by the management structure with sales, change of managers, owners, etc. How do we fix it...I dont know but relegation should not be viewed as a bad thing. Pretty much what I was going to write. Had a core of players that played their way through the divisions, added a couple of players like Clyne with every promotion along the way who immediately bought into the belief the team had. Then after one season in the top league promptly started selling that core of players and with them went the heart, identity and belief the team had. Hasn't been replaced as players are coming now just to play at a team in the top division and cop the related wage rather than improve their game (Cedric still can't cross a ball after being here for 3 years) or push the team higher up the table. They ain't that bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 ****e mongboarders who drone on and on about how paying fans choose to act in the stadium. Maybe but it is Shyte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conaero Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 My point about relegation was a way to see the deadwood walk...they have their egos! Rebuild that core then push for promotion. The problem is that the best players would then be snapped up and after a few descent years we will be back to where we are now. Also it went wrong when ML died. Here we had an owner that had passion for the club. I feel the pain that Leicester are going through as they too had found their Marcus Leiber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshephard3 Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 ****e fans that leave 5 minutes before the end at 0-0 The same ****e fans who’ve watched 1 PL win in 16 at home seeing barely any goals in the process? Yes-the route of all our troubles must be the fans. The PL has made football such that we no longer watch some cloggers graft away and deserve being clapped off the pitch regardless of result. The players are mercenary to**ers showing no urgency or fight. I will therefore reserve the right to come and go as I please having been done for about £700. Why should I stay right to the end like some subservient muppet when I’ve watched our esteemed left back bother to overlap once in 90 minutes at home to a side bottom of the league? Happy to admit you’re an uber fan compared to me though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Depressed of Shirley Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 For me the problems are a group of meh players, none of whom anyone can be bothered if they stay or go. Hopeless management in most areas surrounding the first team. A clueless owner with no money or plan for the future of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 31 October, 2018 Author Share Posted 31 October, 2018 For me it's numerous factors.. Les Reed and Nobby Nut Cakes how are they both still here? Wilson our scouting / recruitment has gone backwards... Who is coaching the players? They look unfit.... A Manager who tactically is a dinosaur, Spends all preseason working on a specific playstyle, formation then drops it immediately when he realizes it is pedestrian... Over reliance on bang average players I am going to be brutally honest here: Austin, Davis, Long, Gabbadini, Ward Prowse, Redmond, Elyonouss, Hoedt, Cedric, Lemina. The above are either currently past it, unfit, bang average or intentionally playing rubbish because they do not want to be here.... ( Lemina) We have essentially stood still. Redmond has offered nothing even when he was at Norwich he was pants.... Ward Prowse hyped up as the next best thing..... Ok then when is he actually going to come good! Long all fart no end product.... Austin a carthorse blowing out arse after 20 minutes.... Gabba started off bright but we have destroyed him.... Our players are to inconsistent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 It may come as a shock to find that Les Reed runs all of Saints Football inc buying and selling, Academy,hiring and sacking Managers every season and lately picking Les Reed's own squad to hand over to Puel and Mope when he has finished his transfer business. He actually thought that bringing in Redmond was a master stroke. HE is the complete t*sser to blame for everything Football at Saints going down the u-bend at a fast rate. This sums up the core problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefScummer Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 All downhill after cortese got the chop. Yes I'm still banging that drum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 For me it's numerous factors.. Les Reed and Nobby Nut Cakes how are they both still here? Wilson our scouting / recruitment has gone backwards... Who is coaching the players? They look unfit.... A Manager who tactically is a dinosaur, Spends all preseason working on a specific playstyle, formation then drops it immediately when he realizes it is pedestrian... Over reliance on bang average players I am going to be brutally honest here: Austin, Davis, Long, Gabbadini, Ward Prowse, Redmond, Elyonouss, Hoedt, Cedric, Lemina. The above are either currently past it, unfit, bang average or intentionally playing rubbish because they do not want to be here.... ( Lemina) We have essentially stood still. Redmond has offered nothing even when he was at Norwich he was pants.... Ward Prowse hyped up as the next best thing..... Ok then when is he actually going to come good! Long all fart no end product.... Austin a carthorse blowing out arse after 20 minutes.... Gabba started off bright but we have destroyed him.... Our players are to inconsistent... That's the thing isn't it people keep looking for a quick fix. Sack Les, sack Hughes, buy a striker as if anyone of these things in isolation will change the situation. In reality there is is a host of issues contributing to our current plight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 All downhill after cortese got the chop. Yes I'm still banging that drum. Technically not true though, as we had our 2nd and 1st best finishes in the league after he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 31 October, 2018 Share Posted 31 October, 2018 The reason we are **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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