Wes Tender Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 We earned a good away point against a top six side. This is a Bournemouth side in a good run of form, noted this season for playing pacey attacking football. But on balance we were better than them in the first half and pretty level in the second half. Tactically matching their 4-4-2 suited us, as Hojbjerg and Lemina were strong together. When Lemina went off, Hughes kept us strong there with Armstrong and also did the right thing by boldly substituting both Ings and Austin for Long and Gabbiadini, who both had chances to gain all three points. Of the two keepers, McCarthy had a relatively relaxed afternoon. Begovic was the one being kept on his toes. Hojbjerg man of the match again. He really is growing in stature and his prowess at long range shots is getting him noticed. I hope that Lemina isn't badly injured, as he is forming a good partnership with Hojbjerg. The back line was good today and must be pleased with the clean sheet. As mentioned in the first half, Elyounoussi was fairly invisible, as we favoured attacking down the left. At times though, Redmond would switch over to the right and he was as effective with Cedric as with Bertrand on the left. He still lacks consistency though, and often loses the ball in promising positions. He is a handful though, so could well improve with time. Leaving the stadium, the Saints fans will be feeling much the happier of the two sets of fans. For all that the momentum on the South Coast favours them at the moment, they would need to be beating us at home to have bragging rights over us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Defence wise I thought we were pretty good. Kept them well at bay. Don't think they really had a chance did they? However the other end is where I worry. We just don't seem to attack very well. Mo and Austin haven't really done much to justify their places. Time to start Gabbi imo. Hughes has a 17% win ratio now, needs to change and change fast. Agree. Mo has done the square root of f'all since he arrived. Austin ditto in the league this season. One man you don't mention is Redmond - our most creative player apparently. Who has done......................the square root of f'all in the league. A couple of assists in ropey Carabaou or whatever the **** it's called don't really cut it. With those 'striking' options it's no wonder we are where we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 We didn't lose and we had a couple of chances (though Bournemouth's chance in the opening minute and King's miss were probably as clear as any of ours) but we're still a team completely lacking in identity. Play doesn't develop - it just sort of happens randomly throughout the 90 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 We earned a good away point against a top six side. This is a Bournemouth side in a good run of form, noted this season for playing pacey attacking football. But on balance we were better than them in the first half and pretty level in the second half. Tactically matching their 4-4-2 suited us, as Hojbjerg and Lemina were strong together. When Lemina went off, Hughes kept us strong there with Armstrong and also did the right thing by boldly substituting both Ings and Austin for Long and Gabbiadini, who both had chances to gain all three points. Of the two keepers, McCarthy had a relatively relaxed afternoon. Begovic was the one being kept on his toes. Hojbjerg man of the match again. He really is growing in stature and his prowess at long range shots is getting him noticed. I hope that Lemina isn't badly injured, as he is forming a good partnership with Hojbjerg. The back line was good today and must be pleased with the clean sheet. As mentioned in the first half, Elyounoussi was fairly invisible, as we favoured attacking down the left. At times though, Redmond would switch over to the right and he was as effective with Cedric as with Bertrand on the left. He still lacks consistency though, and often loses the ball in promising positions. He is a handful though, so could well improve with time. Leaving the stadium, the Saints fans will be feeling much the happier of the two sets of fans. For all that the momentum on the South Coast favours them at the moment, they would need to be beating us at home to have bragging rights over us. Pretty fair summary. Armstrong should have scored near the end, and Gabbi nearly did. Won’t be popular with everyone but I thought Wes Hoedt played well. Got to top up the suntan, but it would be nice to see another league goal soon though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 We didn't lose and we had a couple of chances (though Bournemouth's chance in the opening minute and King's miss were probably as clear as any of ours) but we're still a team completely lacking in identity. Play doesn't develop - it just sort of happens randomly throughout the 90 minutes. Spot on. We don’t have a style and I said it won’t take long before Ings loses his sharpness and we will stop scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Spot on. We don’t have a style and I said it won’t take long before Ings loses his sharpness and we will stop scoring. Spot on. We’re really good at coaching creativity and forward thinking football out of our players. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints1976 Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 We've now gone 385 minutes without a league goal, that's abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Hoedt is a mess He's playing as well as anybody you clueless twit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Ings looked very good when he first came in. Now he looks as bad as the rest of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 (edited) Ings looked very good when he first came in. Now he looks as bad as the rest of them Frankly if we’re going to keep hoofing it, might as well play Long up top and let Ings play off him. That’s when he’s looked at his sharpest. Edited 20 October, 2018 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 We've now gone 385 minutes without a league goal, that's abysmal. but at least we kept a clean sheet something we have failed to do regularly for sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Austin was a wheezing carthorse up front.... Ings' mobility and movement looks quite laboured to me. Where are the goals coming from? Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Very clearly they are not coming from anywhere as we saw today. Four useless effing strikers who can't score. How can we possibly stay up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Very clearly they are not coming from anywhere as we saw today. Four useless effing strikers who can't score. How can we possibly stay up?It's hard to argue that we don't have the worst strikers in the league! Which teams exactly shudder in fear at the thought of facing Austin & long or gabiadinni & ings for that matter Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessex saint Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 I swear I’m jinxed. Missed 2 games at home last season. Everton... I was away for a friends birthday and then Bournemouth as I was in Marbella. Therefore the last time I saw saints win was about a year ago when boufal scored that stunner against wba. The good news is I can’t go next week as I’m working. Therefore nailed on 3 Pts v the toon Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Decent result, probably should have nicked it, but I’d have snapped your hand off for a point beforehand. Wes excellent today, probably he’s most assured performance for a long long time. Stephens did ok as well, so fair play to Hughes for that selection. PEH stand out player for us today, defo our MoTM. Long won more headers in quarter of an hour than Austin & Ings did combined. Prior to his introduction Ake was playing in his pipe & slippers, Austin is slower than me. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 I swear I’m jinxed. Missed 2 games at home last season. Everton... I was away for a friends birthday and then Bournemouth as I was in Marbella. Therefore the last time I saw saints win was about a year ago when boufal scored that stunner against wba. The good news is I can’t go next week as I’m working. Therefore nailed on 3 Pts v the toon Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ****ing Jonah you are Other than the Bournemouth game last season which was at home I can’t remember the last time I saw us win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 (edited) Decent result, probably should have nicked it, but I’d have snapped your hand off for a point beforehand. Wes excellent today, probably he’s most assured performance for a long long time. Stephens did ok as well, so fair play to Hughes for that selection. PEH stand out player for us today, defo our MoTM. Long won more headers in quarter of an hour than Austin & Ings did combined. Prior to his introduction Ake was playing in his pipe & slippers, Austin is slower than me. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Agree with all of that. We lacked mobility up front and wide - I haven't seen anything so far from Elyounoussi to think he will make an impact this season, seems off the pace and was slow to track back at times. Our corners and attacking set pieces generally continue to be a complete disaster. Edited 20 October, 2018 by Katalinic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Interesting listening to Hughes on why he picked Hoedt and Stephens. to para phrase he has been working with them on defending in trainning right through the international break and they had responded well to it so he picked them over other CBs who had been away...guess he was proved right as we kept a clean sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Decent result - particularly considering the dire predictions in the build-up thread. Let's remember the B'mouth are still 6th and smashed Watford 4-0 away last match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Decent result - particularly considering the dire predictions in the build-up thread. Let's remember the B'mouth are still 6th and smashed Watford 4-0 away last match.Yep, perspective. Interesting as well that the BBC made their goalkeeper MOTM as well. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Decent result - particularly considering the dire predictions in the build-up thread. Let's remember the B'mouth are still 6th and smashed Watford 4-0 away last match. Expected to be thrashed Decent result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 A fair point. Both teams had a couple of decent chances. We controlled the game for longer periods than they did but didn't create as enough clear cut chances as we should have. Austin was awful and should have been subbed far earlier. The CB's were actually pretty decent considering most people have that down as our worst combination. Hojbjerg our man of the match (again) and thought Lerma was decent for them. Their fans are an utter joke. That's supposed to be their BIG game and we barely heard a peep out of them. Laughable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 A fair point. Both teams had a couple of decent chances. We controlled the game for longer periods than they did but didn't create as enough clear cut chances as we should have. Austin was awful and should have been subbed far earlier. The CB's were actually pretty decent considering most people have that down as our worst combination. Hojbjerg our man of the match (again) and thought Lerma was decent for them. Their fans are an utter joke. That's supposed to be their BIG game and we barely heard a peep out of them. Laughable really. Their little fans still trying to kick off 3 hours after full time. Complete embarrassment, they really are. Little noddy club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Didn’t see the game so can’t pass judgement on anything, but re Stephens: Could his (apparently) good game be because Bournemouth play football on the ground and use strikers more about speed and skill, as opposed to crossing it in for big centre forwards? People say Stephens can’t tackle but I’ve often seen him stand players up well. On the other hand he has always looked atrocious dealing with anything in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fen Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 It’s a bit sad when a point away to Bournemouth is considered a good result. I’m not saying it isn’t by the way. Just shows how far we have fallen. Hughes seems to set his teams up to stop others playing and not set teams up to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Decent result - particularly considering the dire predictions in the build-up thread. Let's remember the B'mouth are still 6th and smashed Watford 4-0 away last match. This. But hearing about the chances we had, a smidgeon disappointed we didn't get three points. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Moi is an utter waste of a shirt. At least you notice Redmond. The game just passes Moi by when he’s supposed to be one of the main set up guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 20 October, 2018 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Didn’t see the game so can’t pass judgement on anything, but re Stephens: Could his (apparently) good game be because Bournemouth play football on the ground and use strikers more about speed and skill, as opposed to crossing it in for big centre forwards? People say Stephens can’t tackle but I’ve often seen him stand players up well. On the other hand he has always looked atrocious dealing with anything in the air.I think this is exactly right. He has decent pace and I think he defends well on the ground. Against teams who are going to throw in loads of crosses and high balls, Verstergaard will be better. But Stephens is easily the better footballer. I've never accepted that Hoedt is as bad as his manic critics on here try to say, and today he was good. And I like Maya. I just wish we could know our best CB pairing - but then maybe it will depend on the opposition. But neither did anything today to get dropped, and I'll surprise myself by saying keep then next week. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 It’s a bit sad when a point away to Bournemouth is considered a good result. I’m not saying it isn’t by the way. Just shows how far we have fallen. Hughes seems to set his teams up to stop others playing and not set teams up to win games. I think we have to acknowledge that B'mouth have become a really decent side, their results this season compel that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 https://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/16996977.southampton-manager-mark-hughes-on-his-sides-0-0-premier-league-draw-at-bournemouth/ Hughes thinks we made a statement with that result, the only statement I can see is that we still can't win games or take any chances to score! Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 I think this is exactly right. He has decent pace and I think he defends well on the ground. Against teams who are going to throw in loads of crosses and high balls, Verstergaard will be better. But Stephens is easily the better footballer. I've never accepted that Hoedt is as bad as his manic critics on here try to say, and today he was good. And I like Maya. I just wish we could know our best CB pairing - but then maybe it will depend on the opposition. But neither did anything today to get dropped, and I'll surprise myself by saying keep then next week. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk His positioning and reading of the game are generally woeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 We play decent or we play poorly but we still can't win regularly Am so unethusiastic about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 20 October, 2018 Author Share Posted 20 October, 2018 His positioning and reading of the game are generally woeful.But they weren't bad today. Yes, might have been caught out once or twice, but so are most CBs at some point. And I'm not arguing with a clean sheet. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 It’s a bit sad when a point away to Bournemouth is considered a good result. I’m not saying it isn’t by the way. Just shows how far we have fallen. Hughes seems to set his teams up to stop others playing and not set teams up to win games. Instead of focusing on it being Bournemouth look it another way. It is an away point to a team in the top six, who scored 4 goals in their last game, and are full of confidence while we have been very poor most of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 It's hard to argue that we don't have the worst strikers in the league! Which teams exactly shudder in fear at the thought of facing Austin & long or gabiadinni & ings for that matter Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk How long is it since a Palace center forward scored? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefScummer Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Their little fans still trying to kick off 3 hours after full time. Complete embarrassment, they really are. Little noddy club Wait, Bournemouth have fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Missed the game due to other priorities. Sounds like missed chances again. This is a reoccurring problem for Saints. Do we have any decent coaches that know how to find the back of the net? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 How long is it since a Palace center forward scored? Zaha against Huds. so 4 games ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 20 October, 2018 Share Posted 20 October, 2018 Decent point given the form both teams took into the game. Good job by Hughes on the defence. Things will turn badly for him if we don't beat Newcastle though, so we need to start scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Good point against an in form Bournemouth. Means nothing if we fail to beat Newcastle. 6 goals all season is a worry though especially considering Ings has provided the majority. An injury to him and im not sure where the goals are coming from. The likes of Redmond, Moi, Austin, Lemina, Gabbi etc need to start finding the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKsaint Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Very clearly they are not coming from anywhere as we saw today. Four useless effing strikers who can't score. How can we possibly stay up? When Tadic was here, we used to have a plenty of chances but no one can convert them into goals. But now we have a lot of professional strikers who if in other teams would have scored a few, but they have no chance. You cannot rely on Redmond and others who prefer shooting off the target than simply passing the ball to the strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Not a massive fan of MH but thought MH got tactics spot on and the players delivered - they were coming off a good run, but stop their long balls down the channel for the pacey strikers and they are pretty crap with no midfield quality to create much. Frustrating we miss so many simple chances, should have been 3 points today. If we don't get 3 points next game MH should really be thinking is he the man for the job - can't we trade him for Rafa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Ings looked very good when he first came in. Now he looks as bad as the rest of them Yes i noticed that aswell.................when we were first linked with him (as i thought panic forward buy) there was a sense of oh really,but he looked up for it sharp quick to try and find space but now he dosent seem as sharp not finding the space and not clicking with anyone in the sense of trusting another team mate to try that tricky pass etc........Redmond and Bertrand they still seem at odds with each other ,which in a way alters the approach of Redmond to deliver the final pass quicker and earlier for our strikers to run into. Ings was getting that service early in the season somethings not quite right atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Pleased with point. No thoughts prior to game we would get anything there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 but now he dosent seem as sharp not finding the space and not clicking with anyone in the sense of trusting another team mate to try that tricky pass etc.... Every game he is paired with someone different up front. No real opportunity to develop a partnership I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Every game he is paired with someone different up front. No real opportunity to develop a partnership I guess. By his own admission Ings likes to drop deep and act as link with midfield to attack, but he’s not doing that now. I suspect that’s because he is seen as the most likely goal threat and so is tasked to play forward to receive balls. This therefore suggests the coaching employed is having a negative effect on our attacking play and with the lower level of skill/pace our strikers enjoy, its little wonder we’re not scoring goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 My prediction of 16th, before this season started looks about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 21 October, 2018 Author Share Posted 21 October, 2018 My prediction of 16th, before this season started looks about right.Good season by your normal expectations, then. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Good season by your normal expectations, then. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Realistic. We had a purple spell but I could see the foundations were built on sand and warned everyone of the breathtaking complacency at the club. I was lambasted and vilified for my views, but now the wolf is at the door we better hope the straw house does not blow down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 21 October, 2018 Share Posted 21 October, 2018 Austin trying to give a rallying call before next week pretty huge game. Although his comments reference negativity did peeve-me somewhat. What does he expect after a couple of seasons of crap served up culminating in 5 wins in 40 league games. Sometimes footballers stagger me. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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