Saint Garrett Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 Might as well just write off the games against the top teams given the fact we don't even try against them...Given we're currently on 5 points...these results will leave us with 15 points come the new year, and that assume's we'll beat both Newcastle and Watford at home which is hugely unlikely given we've won 1 game at St Mary's all 2018.... At what point do we pull the plug on Hughes? If we beat Newcastle and Watford he'll rightly stay, but if we have another poor Dec which we always have then it will be a big decision before the transfer window...you can't help but feel that its going to be between 5 of us, Cardiff, Huddersfield, Newcastle us and Fulham for the 3 relegation positions... EPL 20-10-2018 Bournemouth (A) - 0 Points - They'll tear our defence to bits EPL 27-10-2018 Newcastle United (H) - 3 Points - MUST WIN EPL 04-11-2018 Manchester City (A) - 0 Points - No chance EPL 10-11-2018 Watford (H) - 3 Points - MUST WIN EPL 24-11-2018 Fulham (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 01-12-2018 Manchester United (H) - 0 Points - No chance EPL 05-12-2018 Tottenham (A) - 0 Points - No chance EPL 08-12-2018 Cardiff (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 15-12-2018 Arsenal (H) - 0 Points - No chance EPL 22-12-2018 Huddersfield (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 26-12-2018 West Ham (H) - 1 Points - Might nick a point EPL 29-12-2018 Manchester City (H) - 0 Points - No chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 Looking at that list, we need to WIN these: EPL 27-10-2018 Newcastle United (H) - 3 Points - MUST WIN EPL 10-11-2018 Watford (H) - 3 Points - MUST WIN EPL 24-11-2018 Fulham (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 08-12-2018 Cardiff (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 22-12-2018 Huddersfield (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 26-12-2018 West Ham (H) - 1 Points - Might nick a point You say 10 points. We need all 18 points to cover up getting nothing from the other games. It's desperate - and it's only October! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 October, 2018 Author Share Posted 8 October, 2018 Looking at that list, we need to WIN these: EPL 27-10-2018 Newcastle United (H) - 3 Points - MUST WIN EPL 10-11-2018 Watford (H) - 3 Points - MUST WIN EPL 24-11-2018 Fulham (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 08-12-2018 Cardiff (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 22-12-2018 Huddersfield (A) - 1 Points - MUST NOT LOSE EPL 26-12-2018 West Ham (H) - 1 Points - Might nick a point You say 10 points. We need all 18 points to cover up getting nothing from the other games. It's desperate - and it's only October! And winning those 6, seems unlikely given the fact we've only won 6 in the last 12 months.... Which seems unlikely given the fact we've won 6 in 12 months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 EPL 20-10-2018 Bournemouth (A) - 1 point EPL 27-10-2018 Newcastle United (H) - 3 Points EPL 04-11-2018 Manchester City (A) - 0 Points EPL 10-11-2018 Watford (H) - 1 point EPL 24-11-2018 Fulham (A) - 3 points EPL 01-12-2018 Manchester United (H) - 1 point EPL 05-12-2018 Tottenham (A) - 0 Points EPL 08-12-2018 Cardiff (A) - 3 Points EPL 15-12-2018 Arsenal (H) - 0 Points EPL 22-12-2018 Huddersfield (A) - 3 points EPL 26-12-2018 West Ham (H) - 1 Point EPL 29-12-2018 Manchester City (H) - 0 Points We'll only win one of those home games IMO but we do have some favourable away games where we can win. We do better away from home anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 The season before last was pretty miserable (the 2nd half at least). The entire of last season didn't get any better and was so much worse, much to everyone’s surprise. And now this season is so far showing up as being worse than last year. Amazingly. And that will therefore equal relegation pretty easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 Been checking the stats for 2016/17 and 2017/18. Really depressing. As SaintGarrett shows, we have only won ONE home game in 2018 - Bournemouth. It was only five home wins in 2017, three last season and two the previous season. No wonder crowds are starting to dip. It's surprising that they have stayed over 30k this long Its not that long ago that we won 19 home games in a row - second half of League One promotion season and first half of Championship promotion season. In 2011 we won 21 home games in the calendar year. Used to go to SMS expecting a win. It's going to be a long season. The only consolation is that there are three other terrible sides in the league (Huddersfield, Cardiff, Newcastle). Fulham will pick up. We are playing for 17th place again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 It's worth remembering that the win against Bournemouth was far from comfortable. Only top class saves and woeful scoring attempts towards the end got us the 3 points. I'm beginning to think that St Mary's is jinxed. It's certainly far too comfortable a place for visiting teams to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 It's worth remembering that the win against Bournemouth was far from comfortable. Only top class saves and woeful scoring attempts towards the end got us the 3 points. I'm beginning to think that St Mary's is jinxed. It's certainly far too comfortable a place for visiting teams to come. ever since Virgin media began sponsoring us (or the away fans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 We will win one of the away games to Cardiff or Huddersfield I reckon. Our away record is better than home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 It's worth remembering that the win against Bournemouth was far from comfortable. Only top class saves and woeful scoring attempts towards the end got us the 3 points. I'm beginning to think that St Mary's is jinxed. It's certainly far too comfortable a place for visiting teams to come. Well, if you want to go down that route, it's also worth noting that the home win against WBA would not have happened without a Boufal worldie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttawaSaint Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 10 points from that lot might be a tad optimistic given our propensity to utterly **** up those “must win” games. You know the kind, the club will talk it up all week, we’ll get the sound bites and training photos/videos and start thinking thecteam we’ll be well and truly up for it. Match starts in tepid fashion, we concede a comical goal and the heads drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 We will probably be relegated if one of Huddersfield or Newcastle can generate a small bit of momentum. No way we are getting more than 38 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 We will probably be relegated if one of Huddersfield or Newcastle can generate a small bit of momentum. No way we are getting more than 38 points. As long as Benetiz is there, newcastle will have a purple patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obelisk Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 As long as Benetiz is there, newcastle will have a purple patch I suspect Benitez will be eyeing their game on 27th October as a likely chance to gather momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 We will probably be relegated if one of Huddersfield or Newcastle can generate a small bit of momentum. No way we are getting more than 38 points. If you offered me 38 points now I'd take it. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 Looking at the stats, our form is so bad it’s laughable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 8 October, 2018 Share Posted 8 October, 2018 Looking at the stats, our form is so bad it’s laughable. Here’s one, it may have been posted elsewhere. In the 11 months between beating Everton 4-1 and the coming Newcastle game, Leicester have won more games at St Mary’s than we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 We have won only one home game since January? That is horrific! Fair play to those who keep going and have paid a **** load to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 We will win one of the away games to Cardiff or Huddersfield I reckon. Our away record is better than home. We need to be winning both of those. Both sides are mid-table Championship standard. If we don't win either we really are headed for a relegation dogfight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 Here’s one, it may have been posted elsewhere. In the 11 months between beating Everton 4-1 and the coming Newcastle game, Leicester have won more games at St Mary’s than we have. As have Chelsea. Never known us to be so ****e at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 It will be interesting revisiting this thread throughout the season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 At our current PPG (0.63), we will gain less than 24 pts by the end of the season. Something needs to change, or we are going down - no question. Trying to second guess the club's targets, you'd think we were at least 4 points, or maybe as much as 5/6 points down and it's really early on. Hughes needs to instil some belief, and start getting results otherwise I can see the chop looming before Xmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 Between now and 2019 ? The club will do exactly the same as they did this time last year,limp on and HOPE something improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 At our current PPG (0.63), we will gain less than 24 pts by the end of the season. Something needs to change, or we are going down - no question. Trying to second guess the club's targets, you'd think we were at least 4 points, or maybe as much as 5/6 points down and it's really early on. Hughes needs to instil some belief, and start getting results otherwise I can see the chop looming before Xmas. Agree. To break it down, lets assume we will get nothing from the remaining 10 games v top 6. Pessimistic but plausable, I know it's a funny old game but .... That leaves 20 games to get at least 30 odd points I reckon, 6 wins and 12 draws say minimum. It's do-able, we only won 7 last season. Our GD may well be worse as we're getting spanked by the big boys which we managed to largely avoid last season (-19 overall compared to -8 already). I think we can do it, but as many have alluded to, to what end, another struggle the season after ? As the great Mr Strummer put it, should we stay or should we go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 Are we this year's Sunderland? Villa? WBA? It's not looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint michael Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 I think going down is the least of our problems, with that form it’s almost certain. The club imploding again is of much more concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 9 October, 2018 Share Posted 9 October, 2018 Best case scenario is Hughes getting sacked after losing to spurs. Newcastle game will be huge. Feel it's set up for us to give them a turnaround like last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 11 October, 2018 Author Share Posted 11 October, 2018 Are we this year's Sunderland? Villa? WBA? It's not looking good. Yup - been coming for a while... Will be interesting to see how long we wait this time. Whether we've learnt from our mistakes, or believe Hughes will turn it around. If we don't beat either of Newcastle or Watford then he surely has to go, but can see another "Everton" like result from last year where he's almost gone then pulls a result out the bag which buys him a few more months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 11 October, 2018 Share Posted 11 October, 2018 Seen Hughes do it many times. The way he talks when it's the big clubs is terrible. Always how difficult it'll be, how unlikely we are to get anything, then sit back and defend. Remember a couple of times he just rested everyone for Stoke and wrote those games off. I don't expect wins but do expect competing. Even when we've been rubbish in the past, and other clubs, you can still give them a good game at home. You'd expect to beat 1 top 6 side in 12 games each season really, or certainly give a few a good go. Our squad isn't what it was, but it's a hell of a lot better than many in the league. A decent manager could at least have them fired us, organised and ready to cause problems for better sides. Yet we have to repeatedly watch experienced decent players like Bertrand, Romeu, Cedric, Lemina turn to absolute ****e. I'm torn really. On one hand it seems like confidence & belief are completely shot, and no matter what tactics or selection the manager makes, as soon as we come under pressure we crumble. But at the same time, isn't the manager responsible for that too? Especially if you think back to last season when that's one of the things Hughes did manage to instill - we were actually having a go and the players looked like they were digging in to save the season. Perhaps it's a combination of two factors - 1) there's a lot more urgency at the end of the season than the start and 2) motivation from a manager wears off (although the best ones sustain it for longer). I think back to when Carvalhal went to Swansea and they saw something of a transformation due to all the little changes he made at the club. But when they hit another slump later there was nothing left in the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 11 October, 2018 Share Posted 11 October, 2018 We need to be winning both of those. Both sides are mid-table Championship standard. If we don't win either we really are headed for a relegation dogfight. i'd say we are as good as gone- there would be no fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 12 October, 2018 Share Posted 12 October, 2018 If the team continue to not pick up a point over the next couple of months I cannot see Hughes surviving. However, if the team bumble along picking up the odd result but nothing to indicate an upward trend, I can see Hughes lasting till the end of the season. The board have shown the desire to give the manager time even when its apparent its not working. It seems only relegation will bring change unfortunately and it’ll be touch and go again this season. Watford had a great start but I wouldn’t discount them being in a relegation scrap now they are finding it hard to score.... only if we do pick up results of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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