Micky Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Nor is it a good portent to prep and play 3 at the back all preseason and then ditch it after only 45 mins.I quite agree. At the very least for away matches it should be an optionDid you see it though. 3 at the back against Burnley and we looked absolutely woeful. I was sh itting myself after the first hour of the season, we really did look that bad. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Newcastle and Benitez want to part company ... he'll do.Good manager but he needs good players and money to do his stuff, we have neither of those to offer him. Better off where he is right now, bigger fan base, maybe a chance that Ashby will sell. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 I think it is wrong to blame Hughes. To me the black box can pump out as much information as it wants but unless you have analysts who can read/assess the information you may as well not have it. From what I can see with the players coming in or through the acadamy we havent got anyone left with an eye for that unpolished diamond. Perhaps the best transfer would be to get paul mitchell back on board ot ( i cant recal his name) the man in charge who was here when lowe was here, he left to join the FA and I had a feeling he went to Fulham. That is where we need to invest and quickly, Reed has done the damage and we need him replced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 I mentioned it on the match thread: our players look fat. One of the things I expressed concern about with Hughes at the start of the season, along with his sides being a bit shaky defensively (not quite as adamant on this as Jeff, ha), was that Stoke always got the season off to a stinker. That suggested to me a lack of fitness or preparation, and something we could ill afford with our fairly nice start to the season. And yet here we are. When I looked at our next 4 games, including Wolves, I thought 5 or 6 points would be good. Win one and either win or draw the others from matches against Bournemouth, Newcastle & Wolves, accepting a defeat vs Chelsea. One down, three to go. Even if I might think he deserves the sack after those games however, doesn't mean I think it will cure the sickness of Southampton FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Get rid please. Just don’t appoint fat Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 I don't blame Hughes. It is the fault of the Board and the rot started years ago as I called at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Hughes is an absolute dinosaur and has not got a clue. OUr younger players who have an affinity for the club do not get a look in (STephens, JWP, Sims, Targett, Gallagher) yet the same failures play week in week out. And don't get me started on the 2 donkeys at CB who start ahead of Yoshi and Jack. We are abysmal, unfit and have no clue. Austin - ffs. And if not Austin 2 goals in 60+ games SHane Long. Going to be a long, hard season and I just hope Hughes walks/is fired in the next 2-3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Hughes is an absolute dinosaur and has not got a clue. OUr younger players who have an affinity for the club do not get a look in (STephens, JWP, Sims, Targett, Gallagher) yet the same failures play week in week out. And don't get me started on the 2 donkeys at CB who start ahead of Yoshi and Jack. We are abysmal, unfit and have no clue. Austin - ffs. And if not Austin 2 goals in 60+ games SHane Long. Going to be a long, hard season and I just hope Hughes walks/is fired in the next 2-3 weeks. JWP, Sims, Targett, Gallagher have been constantly not picked by managers, they are not good enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 JWP, Sims, Targett, Gallagher have been constantly not picked by managers, they are not good enough. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pottychino and Klippity would of put them in as they know how to bring kids into a team. Thats something we used to do years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiefScummer Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 OK so that's 3 managers now the fans want out. The problem is clearly coming from elsewhere. Shyt board and shyt players. Rafa couldn't sort this mess out. New ownership and new board needed first. Hopefully relegation this season could bring gao and kat to sell us to someone with ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Pottychino and Klippity would of put them in as they know how to bring kids into a team. Thats something we used to do years ago. I doubt it, Targett wouldn’t get ahead of Spurs or Liverpool’s current LB, Gallagher wouldn’t get infront of there strikers. All average championship players Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madge Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Hughes isn’t totally to blame although I worry about his tactical skills and he hasn’t managed to rectify our defensive issues. But bang average player recruitment is the main problem. Reed is only interested in rough diamonds who he thinks he can sell on at a huge profit. This season we needed some experience and a leader to captain the team. There are no leaders in that team. We also lack pace and creativity. Basically whilst the club has a clueless and detached owner, two gutless muppets in reed and Krueger who only appear when the goings good and a manager who can’t sort out this team we deserve what we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 I doubt it, Targett wouldn’t get ahead of Spurs or Liverpool’s current LB, Gallagher wouldn’t get infront of there strikers. All average championship players Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The young kids at Liverpool and Spurs have been coached to become better players. Thats the breakdown as our guys are not being coached and are becoming average squad players because of it. I’m telling you that Targett, McQueen and Gallagher would feature in the current Liverpool and Spurs team if they had at least two years under a decent coaching team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 The young kids at Liverpool and Spurs have been coached to become better players. Thats the breakdown as our guys are not being coached and are becoming average squad players because of it. I’m telling you that Targett, McQueen and Gallagher would feature in the current Liverpool and Spurs team if they had at least two years under a decent coaching team. Why haven’t Liverpool or Spurs signed them then? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 The young kids at Liverpool and Spurs have been coached to become better players. Thats the breakdown as our guys are not being coached and are becoming average squad players because of it. I’m telling you that Targett, McQueen and Gallagher would feature in the current Liverpool and Spurs team if they had at least two years under a decent coaching team. Would it be Mane, Salah or Firmino that loses out to Gallagher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 29 September, 2018 Share Posted 29 September, 2018 Would it be Mane, Salah or Firmino that loses out to Gallagher? Or Kane, Lamela, Erickson or Ali? Our fans sometimes Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Let's stop scapegoating managers. 3 in a row have been the victims of poor recruitment/squad management. Reed & Wilson need to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 The three posts immediately above in response to Pilchard's post, are the gold standard in debunking the "our players are good enough/it must be the Manager" belief. Most of our players are average....they haven't been coached to become average. Reed, Wilson and Kreuger are the architects of our mediocre recruitment and squad management, and should be held to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 I actually like Hughes. IMO he's much better than MP, we just don't have that much talent. He'll figure something out and we'll slide by around #15 Exactly this. Give him some time. As long as we don't get in the same state as last year it's time not to change yet. At least we are having a go with two up front. Much better to watch. Interested in the Ralph/Hughes thing though - interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 We lost a great owner (Markus Liebbherr) and the replacements have not been anywhere near as good. We lost a great MD (Cortese) and his replacement has not been anywhere near as good. We have lost some great managers (Poch and Koeman) and their replacements have not been anywhere near as good. We have lost some great academy and player recruitment staff (inc. Georges Prost, Huw Jennings, Malcolm Elias, Paul Mitchell & Matt Crocker) and their more recent replacements have not been anywhere near as good. We have lost some good players and their replacements have not been anywhere near as good. Overall it is a shocking tale of decline which can be seen in every area of the club. That having been said... * Hughes is an improvement on Pellegrino - though he would not have been my preference this summer when appointing a new manager. * Lemina was great when he first joined us and somewhere in there there is a good player waiting to re-emerge. Good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Hojbjerg has been one of our better players in some matches within the past six months, so some of the criticisms of him are a little unfair. * Hoedt is still young and despite everything does still have potential as a defender - if only he could benefit from good coaching and a little more encouragement to rebuild his confidence. * Bednarek started badly for Saints at the start of last season but did well at the end of last season and deserves to be given a chance. * Romeu was good for us under Koeman and even under Puel - good coaching and management could help him to rediscover that ability and form. * Gabbi started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Austin started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Ings started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Redmond started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Cedric was part of the successful Portugese Euro 2016 squad - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Bertrand is a quality full-back and was unlucky to lose his international place - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Targett had a great season last year at Fulham - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Some other youngsters have previously shown promise - good coaching and management could help them rediscover that form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 We lost a great owner (Markus Liebbherr) and the replacements have not been anywhere near as good. We lost a great MD (Cortese) and his replacement has not been anywhere near as good. We have lost some great managers (Poch and Koeman) and their replacements have not been anywhere near as good. We have lost some great academy and player recruitment staff (inc. Georges Prost, Huw Jennings, Malcolm Elias, Paul Mitchell & Matt Crocker) and their more recent replacements have not been anywhere near as good. We have lost some good players and their replacements have not been anywhere near as good. Overall it is a shocking tale of decline which can be seen in every area of the club. That having been said... * Hughes is an improvement on Pellegrino - though he would not have been my preference this summer when appointing a new manager. * Lemina was great when he first joined us and somewhere in there there is a good player waiting to re-emerge. Good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Hojbjerg has been one of our better players in some matches within the past six months, so some of the criticisms of him are a little unfair. * Hoedt is still young and despite everything does still have potential as a defender - if only he could benefit from good coaching and a little more encouragement to rebuild his confidence. * Bednarek started badly for Saints at the start of last season but did well at the end of last season and deserves to be given a chance. * Romeu was good for us under Koeman and even under Puel - good coaching and management could help him to rediscover that ability and form. * Gabbi started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Austin started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Ings started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Redmond started well with Saints - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Cedric was part of the successful Portugese Euro 2016 squad - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Bertrand is a quality full-back and was unlucky to lose his international place - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Targett had a great season last year at Fulham - good coaching and management could help him rediscover that form. * Some other youngsters have previously shown promise - good coaching and management could help them rediscover that form. Well said... And our players are no longer being coached by the right management. If the first team management can’t coach then it will filter through to the rest of the club. IMHO Davis and Jaidi don’t cut it and probably the rest of them too. Would not surprise me if we have a gambling or drinking culture somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 I don’t like what I’m seeing from Hughes (his tacticsc, formation & team selection leave me scratching my head) but the core problem is at board level. This is the third manager in a row who looks poor and the quality of the first xi has declined significantly in the last few seasons. It’s ridiculous that there weren’t changes at corporate level at the end of last season. We’re heading in one direction and it isn’t up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Honestly can’t blame the manager now, we’ve had three managers try and sort these players out. This is down to who is signing these players and not moving on the dead wood. Players like Hoedt Stephens Targett McQueen Reed Davis Jwp Austin Gallagher Forster Let these players go, free up some wage and stop clinging to the hope they might come good. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooh it's a corner Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 I don't like the immediate-success that the premier league craves, but equally I don't accept that Hughes is not to blame because he has inherited most of the players. He has had the luxury of selling 1 player in the summer and buying £50m quids worth of "talent". He didn't buy particularly well, and he still thinks Austin is a better footballer than Gabbi and for that alone, I would make him walk the plank. But, I agree with the sentiment in this post, the problem really lies above Hughes and it is Gao/Reed/Kruger who need to be looking in the mirror. I would far sooner see "Gao out" banners adorning St Mary's, than "Hughes out". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Honestly can’t blame the manager now, we’ve had three managers try and sort these players out. This is down to who is signing these players and not moving on the dead wood. Players like Hoedt Stephens Targett McQueen Reed Davis Jwp Austin Gallagher Forster Let these players go, free up some wage and stop clinging to the hope they might come good. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Of course you can blame the Manager. He's doing a worse job than the last one, and the last one was rated as our worst Manager ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Pottychino and Klippity would of put them in as they know how to bring kids into a team. Thats something we used to do years ago. Do you realise that everything you said is voided by your decision to use comedy names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 The current squad are the biggest bunch of pussies we've had in a long while. Hoedt is an utter disgrace, less said about that absolute car crash, the better. The following need to be offloaded Hoedt Stephens Romeu Davis Long Austin Hesketh Sims Gallagher Prowse McQueen Targett Reed Forster I'm sure there's more. It a bloated squad of mostly utter, utter dross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Do you realise that everything you said is voided by your decision to use comedy names. It’s because I can’t spell one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 I don’t like what I’m seeing from Hughes (his tacticsc, formation & team selection leave me scratching my head) but the core problem is at board level. This is the third manager in a row who looks poor and the quality of the first xi has declined significantly in the last few seasons. It’s ridiculous that there weren’t changes at corporate level at the end of last season. We’re heading in one direction and it isn’t up. Screams of Villa before relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Was never a big fan of Hughes appointment, but how many managers can we blame?? Some "1st team" players are completely inadequate. Our central defender partnership is probably our worst since league 1 with Hoet being terrible! Gabbi and Long can't score, Austiin out of form and Ings yet to prove himself after time on the sidelines. It's all very well keeping possession and looking strong, but if we don't have a regular goal scorer and woeful defenders we're in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Was never a big fan of Hughes appointment, but how many managers can we blame?? Some "1st team" players are completely inadequate. Our central defender partnership is probably our worst since league 1 with Hoet being terrible! Gabbi and Long can't score, Austiin out of form and Ings yet to prove himself after time on the sidelines. It's all very well keeping possession and looking strong, but if we don't have a regular goal scorer and woeful defenders we're in trouble Puel got a back 4 of Stephens , Maya, Cedric & Bertrand playing ok, even with Lurch in nets. Puel got Gabbi to score, regularly. Of course he upset the little darlings, and bored the fans. Long time before we see 8th again, let alone a cup final. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 (edited) People say its the players not the manager, but IMO just look at Burnley and what a manager can do with an average bunch of players. 7th last year, Europa league gave them a slow start but they seem to be up and running now. How many Burnley players man for man would you pick for our squad? They are disciplined, hard working, have good shape, know what their jobs are and play greater than the sum of our parts. Vokes scored his 2nd goal in 30 league games today, and he's been one their main strikers. Lowton and Taylor are championship full backs, they are playing Villa reject Westwood in centre-mid, he's managed to rejuvenate Aaron Lennon and they are playing Vydra up front who is a 1 in 3 championship scorer. Has any of our last 3 managers got these players to perform even at their standard? With good shape, discipline, hard work, teamwork? Not IMO, we still have some good players, we have bought decent players. The likes of Lemina, Hoedt, Mo, Vestergaard have played champions league football in their early 20s, they can't be as bad as they are showing. IMO Hughes just doesn't know what to do, he is not tactically sound, I mean going to Wolves away with a 4-4-2 when they have Neves and Jao Mountinho in midfield? really? We need a manager that makes these players work hard, have good discipline, good shape and know what their jobs are, at the moment they don't look like a team in the slightest. Edited 30 September, 2018 by tajjuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyle04 Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Hughes quote after the game : 'Frustration is the emotion we are feeling,’ he said. ‘You can stick with individuals for so long but you might have to make a change to stimulate the group' About F***ing time ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 We need a manager that makes these players work hard, have good discipline, good shape and know what their jobs are, at the moment they don't look like a team in the slightest. Don't disagree, but who is that man, would he want to come to Saints as we are ? Above all, do you have confidence in Reed identifying the right candidate, and going for him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Puel got a back 4 of Stephens , Maya, Cedric & Bertrand playing ok, even with Lurch in nets. Puel got Gabbi to score, regularly. Of course he upset the little darlings, and bored the fans. Long time before we see 8th again, let alone a cup final. Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI really cannot believe the love-in for Puel. Until MP took over it was the most boring team performances that I had seen in around 60 years of watching Saints. The fact that SMS was virtually empty for the team walk-round on the last game of that season says a lot. If we had employed an upgrade on Puel, he would be just a bad memory but because we had MP and MH the rose tinted specs have come out and his season with us is being viewed as "the Good Old Days".... Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 Hughes quote after the game : 'Frustration is the emotion we are feeling,’ he said. ‘You can stick with individuals for so long but you might have to make a change to stimulate the group' About F***ing time !Depends which individuals he means, knowingly or luck he'll drop Hoi for Davis...! [emoji32][emoji1786][emoji32] Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 (edited) I really cannot believe the love-in for Puel. Until MP took over it was the most boring team performances that I had seen in around 60 years of watching Saints. The fact that SMS was virtually empty for the team walk-round on the last game of that season says a lot. If we had employed an upgrade on Puel, he would be just a bad memory but because we had MP and MH the rose tinted specs have come out and his season with us is being viewed as "the Good Old Days".... Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk It’s not rose tinted specs or hindsight from me. I’ve said all along that he did a bloody good job with an extremely average group of players. Nothing I’ve seen since has convinced me otherwise. Your view that it was the most boring team performances in 60 years shows that it is you whose memory is playing tricks . Whilst not exactly setting the world alight, there were some cracking performances under Puel, particularly away from home. If 8th and a cup final is a bad memory, I’d brace yourself for more and more disappointment and a decade of shocking memories to come ( here come the “worst 8th in football history” posts) . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited 30 September, 2018 by Lord Duckhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 30 September, 2018 Share Posted 30 September, 2018 It’s not rose tinted specs or hindsight from me. I’ve said all along that he did a bloody good job with an extremely average group of players. Nothing I’ve seen since has convinced me otherwise. Your view that it was the most boring team performances in 60 years shows that it is you whose memory is playing tricks . Whilst not exactly setting the world alight, there were some cracking performances under Puel, particularly away from home. If 8th and a cup final is a bad memory, I’d brace yourself for more and more disappointment and a decade of shocking memories to come ( here come the “worst 8th in football history” posts) . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk You are wasting your breath Lord D. The Puel out brigade will never ever accept your arguments, and most of them never saw away games anyway. They just spat their dummies out because of some boring end of season fixtures including a bizarre three home games in May at the end of a 50 game season. Meanwhile Puel took over at Leicester when they were below us last year, they finished 9th and we nearly went down. And this season? Not exactly imploding up there is it. To many fans, Saints losing Pelle, Mane, Wanyama before Puel took over and VVD for half a season is simply small detail that can be brushed away in the face of a totally unacceptable return of 8th in the Premier League and a cup final reached by failing to concede a single goal to all PL opposition. Shocking under performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 I really cannot believe the love-in for Puel. Until MP took over it was the most boring team performances that I had seen in around 60 years of watching Saints. The fact that SMS was virtually empty for the team walk-round on the last game of that season says a lot. If we had employed an upgrade on Puel, he would be just a bad memory but because we had MP and MH the rose tinted specs have come out and his season with us is being viewed as "the Good Old Days".... Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk It's those same memories of "the Good Old Days" of Koeman/Poch that meant Puel was judged so harshly, when his squad was clearly weaker. If we went Koeman --> MoPe --> Hughes --> Puel he'd be lauded on here guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 You are wasting your breath Lord D. The Puel out brigade will never ever accept your arguments, and most of them never saw away games anyway. They just spat their dummies out because of some boring end of season fixtures including a bizarre three home games in May at the end of a 50 game season. Meanwhile Puel took over at Leicester when they were below us last year, they finished 9th and we nearly went down. And this season? Not exactly imploding up there is it. To many fans, Saints losing Pelle, Mane, Wanyama before Puel took over and VVD for half a season is simply small detail that can be brushed away in the face of a totally unacceptable return of 8th in the Premier League and a cup final reached by failing to concede a single goal to all PL opposition. Shocking under performancePuel took over a team that had just won the Championship. They may have been struggling a bit when he went there but he inherited a Championship winning team. I don't remember too much love for him on TSW while he was here.... Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwsaint Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 It’s not rose tinted specs or hindsight from me. I’ve said all along that he did a bloody good job with an extremely average group of players. Nothing I’ve seen since has convinced me otherwise. Your view that it was the most boring team performances in 60 years shows that it is you whose memory is playing tricks . Whilst not exactly setting the world alight, there were some cracking performances under Puel, particularly away from home. If 8th and a cup final is a bad memory, I’d brace yourself for more and more disappointment and a decade of shocking memories to come ( here come the “worst 8th in football history” posts) . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Yawn. Next you will be wanting Glenn Hoddle back. Although personally I think that all our troubles can be traced back to when Bill Dodgin left for Fulham in 1949. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Debating which of the last 3 turds is the biggest turd is pointless, they are all turds working with turds The club is owned by a turd, managed by turds and largely supported by happy clappy turds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Don't disagree, but who is that man, would he want to come to Saints as we are ? Above all, do you have confidence in Reed identifying the right candidate, and going for him ? I think we could attract people, the set up is still decent, we have players who are supposedly good at least on paper and we are a premier league team and that is enough to tempt managers from Europe, even from bigger clubs. Remember Silva went from winning titles and finishing top 4 with unfancied teams in Portugal to taking over a Hull team that was almost already down, so I think we could easily attract an up and coming manager from Europe, especially in the next 2-3 months where he'd have time to turn it around. Identifying the right candidate though, based on the last 3 appointments? No. But it's still worth a gamble, I can't see Hughes turning it around. I just think the modern game has moved past him, most of his success as a manager really came like 8-10 years ago. He was ok at Stoke for the first couple of years but he inherited a very professional, well drilled team from Pulis who you'd at least know would leave everything out on the pitch, and with subsequent investment he didn't improve them that much and seemed to erode the team spirit and teamwork from that squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 I think we could attract people, the set up is still decent, we have players who are supposedly good at least on paper. For me, this is half of the problem. This team reminds me of the England team before this world cup. Good on paper, but no fight, no passion, and some desperate weak points letting the rest of the team down. We really do have some players who are not as good as they think they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Yawn. Next you will be wanting Glenn Hoddle back. Although personally I think that all our troubles can be traced back to when Bill Dodgin left for Fulham in 1949. Yeah, because decisions made over 20 & 50 years ago have the same bearing on the present side as one made 2 years ago. It’s like saying selling Dean Richards weakened our present centre half options just as much as selling VvD. The club made a massive mistake in backing the players instead of Puel, some of us saw it at the time, some of you won’t even accept it after the 18 months since. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 How does "good on paper" even apply to our squad? None of our GKs are particularly good on paper by PL standards. Same goes for our central defenders. Yoshida is probably the best on paper and he's being frozen out. Full backs are decent on paper. Central midfield is not particularly good on paper by PL standards. Romeu has always been bit-part at this level. Lemina is up and down more than a porno Doris. Hojbjerg is young and seems to be on an upward curve but he's nothing special yet. Davis is over the hill and JWP is pound-shop Beckham. Attacking midfielders: Armstrong and Mo are untested at this level and Redmond, whilst being much better this season, will always just be Redmond. I'll tell you who was good on paper: Dusan Tadic. Then you've got the strikers: Long isn't good on paper. Neither is Austin, particularly. Gabbi sort of is but his goal record really isn't. Ings is decent but needs to show he can do it over a season when he's the main man. So, actually, the only players in our team with any proven history of turning in consistently decent performances at PL level are Bertrand, Yoshi, Davis (but not really any more) and Ings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 How does "good on paper" even apply to our squad? Well Forster used to be good and probably has a reputation better than his current level of form/confidence. McCarthy has just been in an England squad and probably is now fulfilling the potential that saw him as a highly rated young prospect while at Reading and Gunn is one of the most highly rated young keepers in the country. Both our full backs are good on paper, they are just not playing well. Bertrand England international, at times wanted by several bigger clubs, Cedric was probably one of the most consistent full backs in the league until the last 6-9 months. Centre-backs, well Hoedt is a Holland international who was playing for a good Lazio side fairly regularly. Vestergaard, Danish international, playing regularly for a good BMG side last year, champions league the year before. Romeu was up there as probably one of the best DMs in the league a few years ago, at least outside the top 6. Lemina was playing champions league football with Juventus and Marseille. Hojberg played Bayern at like 18 and was a regular in a good Schalke side. Moe was Basel's best player last year and shone in the Champions league vs Man City. Redmond and Ward-Prowse are probably have the most England U21 caps of any players playing currently, and have bags of PL experience at young ages. Austin has a 1 in 2 PL record. Ings was highly rated before his injuries and was still getting massive praise from Klopp on his ability and they wanted to keep him. Plenty of 'on-paper' ability there IMO, they are just not performing at near their best and they are not performing as a collective unit. Whilst the squad is maybe not the best IMO it's good enough for mid-table PL if you compare it to other squads. Getting the best out of it is the manager's job and he is not doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 To many fans, Saints losing Pelle, Mane, Wanyama before Puel took over and VVD for half a season is simply small detail that can be brushed away in the face of a totally unacceptable return of 8th in the Premier League and a cup final reached by failing to concede a single goal to all PL opposition. Shocking under performance Agreed that it is the decline in the available talent to the first team that is the problem. We had a relegation battle last season because of the talent AND the losing mentality that has crept into the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 Well Forster used to be good and probably has a reputation better than his current level of form/confidence. McCarthy has just been in an England squad and probably is now fulfilling the potential that saw him as a highly rated young prospect while at Reading and Gunn is one of the most highly rated young keepers in the country. Both our full backs are good on paper, they are just not playing well. Bertrand England international, at times wanted by several bigger clubs, Cedric was probably one of the most consistent full backs in the league until the last 6-9 months. Centre-backs, well Hoedt is a Holland international who was playing for a good Lazio side fairly regularly. Vestergaard, Danish international, playing regularly for a good BMG side last year, champions league the year before. Romeu was up there as probably one of the best DMs in the league a few years ago, at least outside the top 6. Lemina was playing champions league football with Juventus and Marseille. Hojberg played Bayern at like 18 and was a regular in a good Schalke side. Moe was Basel's best player last year and shone in the Champions league vs Man City. Redmond and Ward-Prowse are probably have the most England U21 caps of any players playing currently, and have bags of PL experience at young ages. Austin has a 1 in 2 PL record. Ings was highly rated before his injuries and was still getting massive praise from Klopp on his ability and they wanted to keep him. Plenty of 'on-paper' ability there IMO, they are just not performing at near their best and they are not performing as a collective unit. Whilst the squad is maybe not the best IMO it's good enough for mid-table PL if you compare it to other squads. Getting the best out of it is the manager's job and he is not doing that.This is absolutely spot on and why Hughes should be gone Sent from my Moto G (5) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 1 October, 2018 Share Posted 1 October, 2018 You are wasting your breath Lord D. The Puel out brigade will never ever accept your arguments, and most of them never saw away games anyway. They just spat their dummies out because of some boring end of season fixtures including a bizarre three home games in May at the end of a 50 game season. Meanwhile Puel took over at Leicester when they were below us last year, they finished 9th and we nearly went down. And this season? Not exactly imploding up there is it. To many fans, Saints losing Pelle, Mane, Wanyama before Puel took over and VVD for half a season is simply small detail that can be brushed away in the face of a totally unacceptable return of 8th in the Premier League and a cup final reached by failing to concede a single goal to all PL opposition. Shocking under performance The 'Puel Out' brigade are probably the 'anti- Hoddle' brigade as well. They will never admit their errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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