aintforever Posted 10 November, 2018 Share Posted 10 November, 2018 Exactly - by my reckoning, in his 8 league games at the end of last season MH acheived 8 points, that is the same total as MoPe gained from the preceding 8 matches. This season he has managed to actually reduce his points per game tally. We only stayed up because luckily we had a match against a team that was somehow playing worse than us. We’re **** this season but to say Hughes didn’t do well last season is complete garbage, he only had one bad result and that was West Ham away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 10 November, 2018 Share Posted 10 November, 2018 Don’t listen to them. They’re just jealous. You went out on a limb on this one and are slowly but surely being proven correct. Cheers pal (not passive aggressive!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 10 November, 2018 Share Posted 10 November, 2018 Nope, nobody was duped, just willing to give him a chance. We could be top of the league and you'd still be unhappy. What you talking bout Willis? Of course I'd be supportive. You're talking bullocks, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintZamboni Posted 10 November, 2018 Share Posted 10 November, 2018 “if you can’t be good then be lucky” Today goes to show that under Hughes we are neither. Sack time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 November, 2018 Share Posted 10 November, 2018 If the question is asked by Always, it's ALWAYS a stupid question. Clues in the name. ALWAYS - Stupid F****** C*** Little Jeffrey is getting rattled...... Big swear words... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Is it really true that he has little or no role in training? If so, what the **** does he do all week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 “if you can’t be good then be lucky” Today goes to show that under Hughes we are neither. Sack time Agreed. Hughes is becoming a Jonah. Need to throw him over the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 (edited) Little Jeffrey is getting rattled...... Big swear words... :lol: There is just so much fail everytime you post - it's probably why you're so unpopular on here. Edited 11 November, 2018 by Unbelievable Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 At least this is being recognised elsewhere, even if not even if not everyone on here can recognise it. https://www.football365.com/news/f365s-early-loser-mark-hughes-on-the-brink-of-history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 At least this is being recognised elsewhere, even if not even if not everyone on here can recognise it. https://www.football365.com/news/f365s-early-loser-mark-hughes-on-the-brink-of-history Yep, he’s gotta go. He isn’t the answer long term, and it looks like he’s not even the answer short term, so why keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 :lol: There is just so much fail everytime you post - it's probably why you're so unpopular on here. Just ignore him mate. I have him on ignore and so do others He's a skate troll. Ignore him and he eventually moves on to others. Mods will eventually deal with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hughes hasn’t a clue what his best team is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Yep, he’s gotta go. He isn’t the answer long term, and it looks like he’s not even the answer short term, so why keep him? Because the sacked the bloke who hires and fires managers with out a replacement lined up and are now using the "space" that created to restructure the footballing side of things....in other words they haven't got the expertise or time, to fire and hire a new manager while they try to work how to replace Les. Once the have a new DoF I'm sure Hughes will be toast but I reckon he is safe until then. Lets hope they don't take to long trying to replace Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 November, 2018 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Because the sacked the bloke who hires and fires managers with out a replacement lined up and are now using the "space" that created to restructure the footballing side of things....in other words they haven't got the expertise or time, to fire and hire a new manager while they try to work how to replace Les. Once the have a new DoF I'm sure Hughes will be toast but I reckon he is safe until then. Lets hope they don't take to long trying to replace Les. why do they need a DoF before replacing Hughes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 why do they need a DoF before replacing Hughes?I'm honestly not that fussed about "a football person" recruiting our next manager. If the Chinese want to do it, fine, if we end up with someone with a decent CV, especially if we show some intent to better ourselves. It's not really that difficult. Our last football man appointed three successive duffers so we haven't got much to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 What has Hughes done to improve us this season? If the answers nothing & some players are performing even worse than he has to go surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 November, 2018 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2018 I'm honestly not that fussed about "a football person" recruiting our next manager. If the Chinese want to do it, fine, if we end up with someone with a decent CV, especially if we show some intent to better ourselves. It's not really that difficult. Our last football man appointed three successive duffers so we haven't got much to lose. even the hint of the job being available will have all sort of agents and such like making 'contact' with the club. I highly doubt they will have to go out and bend someones arm to take the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 I'm honestly not that fussed about "a football person" recruiting our next manager. If the Chinese want to do it, fine, if we end up with someone with a decent CV, especially if we show some intent to better ourselves. It's not really that difficult. Our last football man appointed three successive duffers so we haven't got much to lose. Almost ever decreasing duffers. If we still had Puel would surely be in better shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 why do they need a DoF before replacing Hughes? What you really think Ralph can juggle making two major appointments at the same time as re-structuring the football side of the club? more importantly do you really want Ralph choosing our next manager? What the last three seasons have shown is there is **** all point in replacing managers if we are going to keep replacing them with someone even worse. I want Hughes gone but also want them to get his replacement right I feel they have got a much better chance of doing that if they get a competent DoF in rather than leaving it to Goa and Ralph. We need to stop lurching from one bad managerial appointment to the next if that means a few more weeks of Hughes to get it right I'll take that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Almost ever decreasing duffers. If we still had Puel would surely be in better shape No doubt. Funny at the time people were calling him the worst saints manager ever...if only they'd known what was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 I'm honestly not that fussed about "a football person" recruiting our next manager. If the Chinese want to do it, fine, if we end up with someone with a decent CV, especially if we show some intent to better ourselves. It's not really that difficult. Our last football man appointed three successive duffers so we haven't got much to lose. Exactly this - genuinely he couldn't do much worse. Our players performances and fitness, couldn't be much worse. The results couldn't be much worse. And he might just have a passing interest in football and still get the appointment bang on, like a lot of people on here reckon they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 No doubt. Funny at the time people were calling him the worst saints manager ever...if only they'd known what was coming. And there's every chance replacing Hughes will only make matters worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 November, 2018 Author Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Exactly this - genuinely he couldn't do much worse. Our players performances and fitness, couldn't be much worse. The results couldn't be much worse. And he might just have a passing interest in football and still get the appointment bang on, like a lot of people on here reckon they could. cortese was not a football man, he got the managers bang on whilst at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Is he still here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 cortese was not a football man, he got the managers bang on whilst at Saints. So you trust Ralph to get it right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Moyes wouldn't be my first choice by any means but I'd genuinely consider him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Duplicate post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 At least this is being recognised elsewhere, even if not even if not everyone on here can recognise it. https://www.football365.com/news/f365s-early-loser-mark-hughes-on-the-brink-of-history Yep, pretty damming that. He needs to go. Surely nobody connected to the club genuinely believes he will turn things around when all the evidence suggests he simply doesn't have the ability of the track record to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Moyes wouldn't be my first choice by any means but I'd genuinely consider him. That's pretty much what everyone said about Hughes though because he couldn't be worse than MoPe we need to stop lurching from one bad appointment to the next and get the next appointment spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 That's pretty much what everyone said about Hughes though because he couldn't be worse than MoPe we need to stop lurching from one bad appointment to the next and get the next appointment spot on. Hughes is NOT worse than MP. I know statistically we're worse off but Hughes is clearly a better manager than MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hughes is NOT worse than MP. I know statistically we're worse off but Hughes is clearly a better manager than MP. sadly he clearly isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 There was really no downside for Hughes picking a few of the irregulars today. It immediately reinforced the narrative that Reed was a problem, whether the result was good or bad. Call me a cynic, but I don't believe Reed has had any say over the first XI this season, and that the fault with the tactics, selection and substitutes rests entirely with Hughes. Exactly right but it was a ruse that backfired on him. His real modus operandii is revealed by the disappearance of Oriol Romeu. Reed got sacked for incompetence by bringing in poor players and a succession of poor coaching staffs not for team selection or substitutions. Kreuger should be sacked for inaction over these obvious failures of his Deputy Chairman / DOF. It is evident that the owner took things into his own hands in the end out of sheer frustration, which as we all know is very bad news for Kreuger. He will be very well aware that his days here are numbered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimatt Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Unlikely we'd go for it but theoretically we could attract a higher caliber manager with no DoF. Total control on transfers within the set budget Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hughes is NOT worse than MP. I know statistically we're worse off but Hughes is clearly a better manager than MP. You cannot be serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 He’s still here then Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 No doubt. Funny at the time people were calling him the worst saints manager ever...if only they'd known what was coming. Hindsight is not the way to judge historical decisions attractive as it may be to demonstrate wisdom afterwards. Every action, every decision has a context and must be viewed in that context. At the time most people hated the regressive style of play introduced by Puel after the exhilarating gung-ho football of the Koeman Bros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 You cannot be serious! You're honestly saying given the choice, you'd rather have MP back?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hughes is NOT worse than MP. I know statistically we're worse off but Hughes is clearly a better manager than MP. Statistically he is, so therefore he is... I wouldn't want MP back but I also don't want Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Statistically he is, so therefore he is... I wouldn't want MP back but I also don't want Hughes Could you see MP turning Blackburn into Champions League contenders or getting 3 top 10 finishes in a row with Stoke? Those aren't absolutely amazing achievements but they're better than anything MP would have achieved with those jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Could you see MP turning Blackburn into Champions League contenders or getting 3 top 10 finishes in a row with Stoke? Those aren't absolutely amazing achievements but they're better than anything MP would have achieved with those jobs. I'm talking about us, not Blackburn / Stoke with a complete different set of players etc. You may as well compare chalk with cheese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Stats can be very easily manipulated to highlight a particular perspective, but in my opinion the earliest time to make a proper assessment is once we have played everyone in the league, and that means after the Wet Spam game on Dec 27th. Anyone who expected us to go from 17th and less than 40 points last season to be a candidate for top 8 is deluded, given summer recruitment. Between now and then we play Fulham, Cardiff and Udders as well as the Wet Spam game. If he takes ten points from those games, which I accept seems unlikely but not impossible, then things will feel very different and I would expect that would see us around 12th or so which would represent modest but useful progress. If he doesn’t then I think he and we are in real trouble. It is likely he will have to do without Long and Ings during that period which given our squad is not an easy ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hindsight is not the way to judge historical decisions attractive as it may be to demonstrate wisdom afterwards. Every action, every decision has a context and must be viewed in that context. At the time most people hated the regressive style of play introduced by Puel after the exhilarating gung-ho football of the Koeman Bros. hindsight is the only way to judge historical decisions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Stats can be very easily manipulated to highlight a particular perspective, but in my opinion the earliest time to make a proper assessment is once we have played everyone in the league, and that means after the Wet Spam game on Dec 27th. Anyone who expected us to go from 17th and less than 40 points last season to be a candidate for top 8 is deluded, given summer recruitment. Between now and then we play Fulham, Cardiff and Udders as well as the Wet Spam game. If he takes ten points from those games, which I accept seems unlikely but not impossible, then things will feel very different and I would expect that would see us around 12th or so which would represent modest but useful progress. If he doesn’t then I think he and we are in real trouble. It is likely he will have to do without Long and Ings during that period which given our squad is not an easy ask. Ten points looks very optimistic. 4 relegation battles, 3 of which are against teams that are playing better than at the start of the season. The other 3 games are against top 6 sides..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersubpuckett Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 hindsight is the only way to judge historical decisions and seems to be cast iron argument for a second referendum on brexit......sorry, wrong forum but it makes the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 and seems to be cast iron argument for a second referendum on brexit......sorry, wrong forum but it makes the point Yep, hindsight is the best way to judge mistakes. If you can turn change decisions, with hindsight, then you should. We should sack Hughes, and we should have a second referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stknowle Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hughes is NOT worse than MP. I know statistically we're worse off but Hughes is clearly a better manager than MP. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hughes is last it sure he might of achieved high table finishes years ago but I judge him on what I have seen and what he has done recently.... He talks the talk in prematch interviews.but fails to deliver anything on the pitch. Tactically the man is a dinosaur. Some of his tactical decisions and team selections look baffling. We cannot attack or defend or control / keep the ball in midfield. So what are Hughes and team teaching our players? How to beat a team of static cones? I have seen enough I think he is toilet! Honestly believe we should get rid now and make the changes. If we risk keeping him until January we will end up with more average dross clogging up the team. Sack him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 Hughes hasn’t a clue what his best team is. Don't you mean 'Hughes hasn't a clue what his least worse team is' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 On the positive side, Hughes might have finally come to an understanding about the best way to play Gabbiadini, and that Gabbiadini is a far better option than Long or Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 11 November, 2018 Share Posted 11 November, 2018 On the positive side, Hughes might have finally come to an understanding about the best way to play Gabbiadini, and that Gabbiadini is a far better option than Long or Austin. IMO Obafemi is a better option than Austin and my Gran is a better option than Long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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