Hatch Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Seems we are pulling a fast one, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878 Southampton: Hampshire Police figures were an average of 4,246 fans lower than figures issued by the club. Thats quite a big percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 What a pointless non-story. So what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Seems we are pulling a fast one, https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45158878 Thats quite a big percentage. no we arent pulling a fast one. The article answers its own question really. Clubs choose to publicise the number of tickets sold which include non attending season ticket holders etc, Plod chose the actual number that turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfurdent Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 there were not 7000 empty seats at the Bournemouth match. I wonder if HMRC are looking at the tax implications of this report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 there were not 7000 empty seats at the Bournemouth match. I wonder if HMRC are looking at the tax implications of this report Which are what? Clubs are declaring tickets sold and presumably playing tax in line with that income. That is a higher amount than police figures so if anything they are overstating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 there were not 7000 empty seats at the Bournemouth match. I wonder if HMRC are looking at the tax implications of this report Wouldn't be surprised if they've got that mixed up with the Brighton home game, where there were thousands of empty seats but the club gave a 30,000 attendance to the press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 "The Saints said their attendance for Chelsea's visit on 14 April was 31,764 but police figures show 6,945 fewer fans at St Mary's. There was also a difference of 6,799 (31,778 - 24,979) for the home game against south-coast rivals Bournemouth." that a hell of a lot of empty seats for those two games. I don't recall there being that many at either game. I wonder how are the council counted them or did SFC simply provide them with the figures, which they'd have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 "But Southampton are among those clubs who said there was no commercial gain from doing this as television money was the biggest source of income." If you were paying for an advertisement hoarding that was not on the TV side of the ground, then total attendance over the season might be a small factor in what you are willing to pay, although the chance of appearing on TV (there are so many cameras on all sides) and other media probably is a bigger factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 How do the police know how many people are there? I don't think nearly a quarter of the ground was empty for the Chelsea or Bournemouth matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Clubs choose to publicise the number of tickets sold which include non attending season ticket holders etc, why do we/they do it? Who do they think is interested in this pointless figure that neither represents how many have paid (as it includes complimentary tickets) or have actually attended (non-attending season ticket holders and any other non attendees)? does the club still make an announcement "Today's attendance is..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 "The Saints said their attendance for Chelsea's visit on 14 April was 31,764 but police figures show 6,945 fewer fans at St Mary's. There was also a difference of 6,799 (31,778 - 24,979) for the home game against south-coast rivals Bournemouth." that a hell of a lot of empty seats for those two games. I don't recall there being that many at either game. I wonder how are the council counted them or did SFC simply provide them with the figures, which they'd have. Police getting things wrong shocker. Perhaps among their well-publicised staff shortages are the people who can count properly. Another interesting figure I saw in the media recently: nobody is convicted for 97% of the crimes committed in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Police getting things wrong shocker. Perhaps among their well-publicised staff shortages are the people who can count properly. Another interesting figure I saw in the media recently: nobody is convicted for 97% of the crimes committed in this country.I don't believe there are police around the grounds actually counting up how many people enter the stadium or populate their seats! It's much more likely they request that info from the clubs to help them plan their resources for policing games. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 I read that article before coming to see if referenced here. I'm with Chez, I haven't noted any major discrepancies, particularly in the specific games mentioned, and as I'm in the Itchen I get a good view of the rest of the ground. In the case of Arsenal, Citeh or WH you can see swathes of empty seats in any photos/video, often in their higher tiers, but nothing like that at St. Marys. Chelsea only 24,800 and Bournemouth only 24979? I really don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 For some reason it's the main article on the BBC Sport website. The BBC, and in particular the sport department, love to do this, create their own news and sensationalise what is in effect a complete non-story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 For some reason it's the main article on the BBC Sport website. The BBC, and in particular the sport department, love to do this, create their own news and sensationalise what is in effect a complete non-story. And, wasting scarce tax-payer resources by filing spurious and capricious FOI requests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 I don't believe there are police around the grounds actually counting up how many people enter the stadium or populate their seats! It's much more likely they request that info from the clubs to help them plan their resources for policing games. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Resources for games are organised well in advance. It depends on the opposition, previous history of trouble and intel. I'm not sure where police figures some from. The ones for Bournemouth and Chelsea are clearly wrong. Only thing I can think of is that they get them from turnstile clicks and some of the turnstiles weren't registering correctly. You only have to look at the highlights to see the ground was nearly full for both games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 As far as I recall the ground looked full for both those Bournemouth and Chelsea games, not a chance in hell there were nearly 7000 empty seats at either. What a load of nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 (edited) there were not 7000 empty seats at the Bournemouth match. I wonder if HMRC are looking at the tax implications of this report "The Saints said their attendance for Chelsea's visit on 14 April was 31,764 but police figures show 6,945 fewer fans at St Mary's. There was also a difference of 6,799 (31,778 - 24,979) for the home game against south-coast rivals Bournemouth." that a hell of a lot of empty seats for those two games. I don't recall there being that many at either game. I wonder how are the council counted them or did SFC simply provide them with the figures, which they'd have. Have to agree that there was no way in hell that there were near 7000 empty seats for those games. That's about 22% of the total capacity. Wonder if the difference is down to the club talking about league only, and the police including cup games. Edited 12 September, 2018 by angelman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Haven't we started flogging tickets on Groupon? Explains why if we have tons of empty seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 "The Saints said their attendance for Chelsea's visit on 14 April was 31,764 but police figures show 6,945 fewer fans at St Mary's. There was also a difference of 6,799 (31,778 - 24,979) for the home game against south-coast rivals Bournemouth." that a hell of a lot of empty seats for those two games. I don't recall there being that many at either game. I wonder how are the council counted them or did SFC simply provide them with the figures, which they'd have. Police figures are nonsense in that report , both games were probably some of our best attended with Chelsea before cup semi final and Bournemouth big survival game, hardly any empty seats unlike other home games we'd had earlier in year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 The plod getting it wrong, Shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2018 Share Posted 13 September, 2018 Apparently that a speeding ticket is counted on the figures.Can anybody verify that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 13 September, 2018 Share Posted 13 September, 2018 Apparently that a speeding ticket is counted on the figures.Can anybody verify that? What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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