Marsdinho Posted 10 September, 2018 Share Posted 10 September, 2018 Hope so! It's a friendly so rotate the squad and give others a chance to impress. Wont Butland start in goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 10 September, 2018 Share Posted 10 September, 2018 Chilwell is young and looks promising. Rose has been pretty poor most of the time I've seen him play. Not great defensively and prone to lapses in concentration. Quite good going forward, though. Bertrand's suffering from getting close to being too old to play in the next World Cup and I think that's what Southgate's looking to build towards. Plays for Leicester where the next game is so that's probably the reason , Gray called up too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 So it looks as if Butland does indeed get the nod over McCarthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 So it looks as if Butland does indeed get the nod over McCarthy Southgate's selections in these two games have been influenced by him wanting to show loyalty to the WC group, including the players that didn't play. I would expect the next round of games to have more players staking a claim in the squad and first team. Still can't see us beating any 'big' teams until we get a world class DM (in the Kante type mould), or AM (in the Eriksen type mould). Our midfield is so pedestrian. You can't fault Henderson for effort, but he hasn't got the ability to control a game in the same way as a Modric, Busquets etc. Having one player of this quality would improve us massively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Only truly blinkered Saints fans thought that McCarthy's four performances this season would oust the person who was 50/50 for being Eng number one at the last World Cup. Pickford got the gig due to his distribution, but apparently it was very close between the two. That being the case, Butland was always going to start this friendly. Having said that, shipping in goals for Stoke in the Champ will certainly help McCarthy becoming number 2 'keeper! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Like usual though with England we dont pick form players, if we were perhaps Alex would play over Butland, Callum Wilson over wellbeck and chilwell should of started over shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Butland starts over Alex- that is just laughable, not even justified for a start. Let's hope he gets on for the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Butland starts over Alex- that is just laughable, not even justified for a start. Let's hope he gets on for the 2nd half. why is it laughable? quite obvious what Southgate is doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 why is it laughable? quite obvious what Southgate is doing Butland has played before under him so he knows how he is as a goalkeeper. Alex hasn't made his debut yet so thought he would get the nod. Plus Butland is currently playing in the championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Butland has played before under him so he knows how he is as a goalkeeper. Alex hasn't made his debut yet so thought he would get the nod. Plus Butland is currently playing in the championship. he is giving games to players who he has largely been with through a pretty successful world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 he is giving games to players who he has largely been with through a pretty successful world cup. Yeah I get that. I just hope he gets at least half a game. He's earnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Hell of a shaky start from Butland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Didn't get on. Pointless him being called up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Hell of a shaky start from Butland Butland should not be in the side on current form, McCarthy not getting on tonight I doubt he'll ever get a game now. Gunn was on bench for both u21 games as well, bit of a waste of time for both of them. Remember the glory days of Forster, Bertrand, Ward-Prowse and Redmond in the full England squad, seems a long time ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Saw the highlights. Boring football. Boring manager. Boring full stop. Seems another manager who chooses players for the wrong reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 11 September, 2018 Share Posted 11 September, 2018 Didn't get on. Pointless him being called up. Absolutely agree. With the reports of how poor Butland was it's ludicrous that McCarthy didn't play the second half. It suggests that he isn't being seriously considered and that Southgate had already decided his plan in advance and wasn't capable of changing it. A lucky win on penalties at the world cup and talking him up in the media, hasn't made him a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 I don't think it's a waste of time time players being called and not being used. They get to be part of a squad and experience the England set up and the manager at first hand. We all know the players personality is important as well as their ability so it makes sense for Southgate to actually work with the players to evaluate them on all levels. Of course we all wanted Alex to get some game time but as a neutral you can't argue with the fact that Butland got the nod for this game as he was generally recognised to be the Number 2 in Russia. But I agree, Alex is running out of games for him to get a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie May Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Alex is running out of games for him to get a start. Not really. He's 28 and has enjoyed a decent year with Saints. If he keeps it up, he could play against USA. All it takes is an injury to Pickford and McCarthy's in with a chance - just like he was here after Fraser's injury/drop in form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 I wasn't thinking about his age, more the fact that Pickford and Butland are Southgate's top two and Pope got in ahead of Alex in Russia. Of course, things can change and although I wouldn't wish any bad luck on the other guys regarding injuries, I think that's the only way Alex will get a starting spot in the next few years. It's great that we have several youngish keepers in the frame at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 he is giving games to players who he has largely been with through a pretty successful world cup. Surely the point of friendlies is to give chances to those who have NOT had chances previously, rather than stick with the tried and tested? There are now precious few 'pure friendlies' so Waistcoat has missed a chance to have a look at "other options." And a time may come where such players decline call ups to simply train with those who will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Surely the point of friendlies is to give chances to those who have NOT had chances previously, rather than stick with the tried and tested? There are now precious few 'pure friendlies' so Waistcoat has missed a chance to have a look at "other options." And a time may come where such players decline call ups to simply train with those who will play. We did pretty well in the world cup and the team is really quite young. It's not like we've got some squad of dead wood or a flurry of retirements. McCarthy gets a call up and people think he should just stroll in and get a cap. Maybe he's been called up to see how he fits in with the group, how he trains, expose him to international duty. Just that. He's never going to be anything more than a back up keeper FFS, the way this thread reads he's some mega talent that the nation needs to see on the pitch. Be was lucky to get a call up, and he's had his experience, for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Get the feeling England just considered McCarthy and latterly Bettinelli as bodies to make up the numbers in training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Get the feeling England just considered McCarthy and latterly Bettinelli as bodies to make up the numbers in training. Unlikely, you really don't need 3 goalkeepers for training. i always wonder why teams consider it necessary to have 3 keepers in a squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 12 September, 2018 Share Posted 12 September, 2018 Unlikely, you really don't need 3 goalkeepers for training. i always wonder why teams consider it necessary to have 3 keepers in a squad. It's pretty obvious - if a squad has 2 and one takes a knock in the warm up or whatever you have no bench cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 13 September, 2018 Share Posted 13 September, 2018 We did pretty well in the world cup and the team is really quite young. It's not like we've got some squad of dead wood or a flurry of retirements. McCarthy gets a call up and people think he should just stroll in and get a cap. Maybe he's been called up to see how he fits in with the group, how he trains, expose him to international duty. Just that. He's never going to be anything more than a back up keeper FFS, the way this thread reads he's some mega talent that the nation needs to see on the pitch. Be was lucky to get a call up, and he's had his experience, for now. Good points. Butland looked uncharacteristically shaky the other night. A shame as I believe he is a very good keeper. McCarthy has hadhis recognition and hopefully his form maintains his place in the squad. Im not sure where this leaves Gunn!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 13 September, 2018 Share Posted 13 September, 2018 Good points. Butland looked uncharacteristically shaky the other night. A shame as I believe he is a very good keeper. McCarthy has hadhis recognition and hopefully his form maintains his place in the squad. Im not sure where this leaves Gunn!!! City buy Gunn back for £25m........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 13 September, 2018 Share Posted 13 September, 2018 The world cup was fun but we should have beat everyone we played bar Belgium. If we had lost to Sweden it would have been seen as a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 13 September, 2018 Share Posted 13 September, 2018 It's pretty obvious - if a squad has 2 and one takes a knock in the warm up or whatever you have no bench cover. Its not obvious at all, you have 20 outfield players (thats 2 per position) and 3 keepers. It was something that got added a few tournaments ago and is totally pointless, especially when only playing 2 internationals in a week - can sort of understand it in a full 6 or 7 game tournament. Its overkill, how many times does the 3rd keeper get to play. There are so many keepers these days that earn a living in football without ever playing a first class game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 13 September, 2018 Share Posted 13 September, 2018 Its not obvious at all, you have 20 outfield players (thats 2 per position) and 3 keepers. It was something that got added a few tournaments ago and is totally pointless, especially when only playing 2 internationals in a week - can sort of understand it in a full 6 or 7 game tournament. Its overkill, how many times does the 3rd keeper get to play. There are so many keepers these days that earn a living in football without ever playing a first class game. We'll agree to differ. You can't compare outfield players to keepers. If push comes to shove a centre back could fill in at full back, a winger up top etc. Nobody could fill in as keeper. I'd want 3 keepers in the squad everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igsey Posted 14 September, 2018 Share Posted 14 September, 2018 Mentioned in this BBC article as having the second highest save percentage in the league so far - behind Alisson and ahead of Lloris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 14 September, 2018 Share Posted 14 September, 2018 Mentioned in this BBC article as having the second highest save percentage in the league so far - behind Alisson and ahead of Lloris. Yeesh our xG against is high compared to the glory days of 6th and 7th. We're allowing far too many shots nowadays, really miss Wanyama and Schneiderlin's presence, the number of times I see Lemina and Hojbjerg wrong side chasing back compared to those two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Back in the squad. https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-10-04/international-call-up-alex-mccarthy-england-october-1819 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Back in the squad. https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-10-04/international-call-up-alex-mccarthy-england-october-1819 Deservedly so. Thought Ings may have edged in ahead of Welbeck too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Deservedly so. Thought Ings may have edged in ahead of Welbeck too. Well! If Ings played for Utd and Welbeck for us he probably would have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Well! If Ings played for Utd and Welbeck for us he probably would have Pony. Southgate rates Wellbeck, it’s got **** all to do with who they play for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Pony. Southgate rates Wellbeck, it’s got **** all to do with who they play for. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pony, he`s picking reserves from big clubs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 is wonder-boy Phil Foden in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Pony, he`s picking reserves from big clubs Watford Fulham Stoke Leicester Burnley & err Southampton . You’re right, he only picked Wellback over Ings because he plays for a big club. When does he ever pick players from clubs our size? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Watford Fulham Stoke Leicester Burnley & err Southampton . You’re right, he only picked Wellback over Ings because he plays for a bigger club. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We were discussing strikers... and we have kane and big teams reserves... hth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 We were discussing strikers... and we have kane and big teams reserves... hth Ahh right I see. He picks players on merit regardless of who they play for, until it comes to picking forwards. Then he picks them on the basis of who they play for. Is that really your argument? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Ahh right I see. He picks players on merit regardless of who they play for, until it comes to picking forwards. Then he picks them on the basis of who they play for. Is that really your argument? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk it s not an argument sorry to spoil, as i know you like one, if he had more english choice from the big boys he would be picking them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 it s not an argument sorry to spoil, as i know you like one, if he had more english choice from the big boys he would be picking them There’s one of 3 reasons he’s picked Wellbeck over Ings. 1. He thinks he’s better and has never let him down before 2. He thinks Ings is better but doesn’t pick him because he plays for us. 3. He doesn’t know so just picks Wellbeck because he plays for a bigger club. I know which one I think it is Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 There’s one of 3 reasons he’s picked Wellbeck over Ings. 1. He thinks he’s better and has never let him down before 2. He thinks Ings is better but doesn’t pick him because he plays for us. 3. He doesn’t know so just picks Wellbeck because he plays for a bigger club. I know which one I think it is Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4. Wellbeck has performed better, has more goals, has better average rating so far this season. Ings is unlucky not to get picked, But Wellbeck has deserved his call up imho even though I don't like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 McCarthy is apparently the oldest player in the squad, according to the Beeb!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 4. Wellbeck has performed better, has more goals, has better average rating so far this season. Ings is unlucky not to get picked, But Wellbeck has deserved his call up imho even though I don't like him Yes, and Welbeck has a good record for England (and unlucky to have a goal disallowed in his last outing for them). It would've been very surprised if Southgate had chosen Ings over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 Wellbeck has been called up by the last three England managers. Maybe, just maybe, they rate him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 4 October, 2018 Share Posted 4 October, 2018 There’s one of 3 reasons he’s picked Wellbeck over Ings. 1. He thinks he’s better and has never let him down before 2. He thinks Ings is better but doesn’t pick him because he plays for us. 3. He doesn’t know so just picks Wellbeck because he plays for a bigger club. I know which one I think it is Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Are you serious? Only an idiot would think an interational manager would deliberately pick an inferior player from a superior club. That only leaves number 1, but anyway Wellbeck is the better player. He is tried, tested and has succeeded on the international stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 5 October, 2018 Share Posted 5 October, 2018 Well! If Ings played for Utd and Welbeck for us he probably would have Are you serious? Only an idiot would think an interational manager would deliberately pick an inferior player from a superior club. That only leaves number 1, but anyway Wellbeck is the better player. He is tried, tested and has succeeded on the international stage. Exactly. Southgate picks Wellbeck over Ings because he rates him higher. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 5 October, 2018 Share Posted 5 October, 2018 I'm hoping that, like Ward-Prowse, he will one day get at least a few minutes on the pitch for England because I love ramming this down Pompey fans' throats, when they start going on about their 'history' and being a 'big club': England internationals Southampton David Armstrong James Beattie Ryan Bertrand Wayne Bridge Arthur Chadwick Mick Channon Nathaniel Clyne Peter Crouch Bill Ellerington Tim Flowers Fraser Forster C B Fry Kelly Houlker Kevin Keegan Adam Lallana Rickie Lambert Bert Lee Matt Le Tissier George Molyneux Terry Paine Tom Parker Alf Ramsey Bill Rawlings Nathan Redmond Jack Robinson Jay Rodriguez Luke Shaw Alan Shearer Peter Shilton Fred Titmuss Arthur Turner Danny Wallace James Ward-Prowse Dave Watson Steve Williams Mark Wright 36 Portsmouth Jim Allen Sol Campbell Peter Crouch Dan Cunliffe Jermain Defoe Jimmy Dickinson Jack Froggatt Peter Harris Mark Hateley Kelly Houlker David James Glen Johnson Arthur Knight Len Phillips Jack Smith Fred Worrall 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 15 November, 2018 Share Posted 15 November, 2018 I'm hoping that, like Ward-Prowse, he will one day get at least a few minutes on the pitch for England because I love ramming this down Pompey fans' throats, when they start going on about their 'history' and being a 'big club': England internationals Southampton David Armstrong James Beattie Ryan Bertrand Wayne Bridge Arthur Chadwick Mick Channon Nathaniel Clyne Peter Crouch Bill Ellerington Tim Flowers Fraser Forster C B Fry Kelly Houlker Kevin Keegan Adam Lallana Rickie Lambert Bert Lee Matt Le Tissier George Molyneux Terry Paine Tom Parker Alf Ramsey Bill Rawlings Nathan Redmond Jack Robinson Jay Rodriguez Luke Shaw Alan Shearer Peter Shilton Fred Titmuss Arthur Turner Danny Wallace James Ward-Prowse Dave Watson Steve Williams Mark Wright 36 Portsmouth Jim Allen Sol Campbell Peter Crouch Dan Cunliffe Jermain Defoe Jimmy Dickinson Jack Froggatt Peter Harris Mark Hateley Kelly Houlker David James Glen Johnson Arthur Knight Len Phillips Jack Smith Fred Worrall 16 Some good news. There are reports that McCarthy will come on as a sub for the 2nd half v the USA and so become the 37th Saints player to win a full England cap. Good luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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