Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Yep, had enough. Not a big enough step change, and as I said last season and this pre-season, unless we invest in better attacking players, we cannot last with Hughes as he cannot coach/manage a defence. Poor in defence, attack, and in the Managers chair is a bad combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Embarrassing thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 what an absolute embarrassment of a fan you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Hughes isn't the problem here. Les and Ralph are and have been. Changing manager won't help. Would you really trust Les to get it right? 4th time lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 It is a bit early but the signs are not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Those at the top need to be rotated out of the club. As with Cortese, they are just employees, spending someone's money. Their cycle has come to an end, clearly. Whether Hughes stays or goes, matters little as they would only replace him with the next person out of a job. Now or in the summer. Hughes is pretty crap by the way, no issue with you calling it early. I was called an embarrassment for saying the same about Pellegrino after the Wolves game roughly 12 months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 A tad early for this thread I feel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Yep, had enough. Not a big enough step change, and as I said last season and this pre-season, unless we invest in better attacking players, we cannot last with Hughes as he cannot coach/manage a defence. Poor in defence, attack, and in the Managers chair is a bad combination. Fickle fickle fickle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Those at the top need to be rotated out of the club. As with Cortese, they are just employees, spending someone's money. Their cycle has come to an end, clearly. Whether Hughes stays or goes, matters little as they would only replace him with the next person out of a job. Now or in the summer. Hughes is pretty crap by the way, no issue with you calling it early. I was called an embarrassment for saying the same about Pellegrino after the Wolves game roughly 12 months ago. That is the issue, the people at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Hughes isn't the problem here. Les and Ralph are and have been. Changing manager won't help. Would you really trust Les to get it right? 4th time lucky But two years ago it was Purl. Last season it was Pellegrino? So only now it's the players? Seems a bit convenient to me. Maybe it's because those managers were foreign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Those at the top need to be rotated out of the club. As with Cortese, they are just employees, spending someone's money. Their cycle has come to an end, clearly. Whether Hughes stays or goes, matters little as they would only replace him with the next person out of a job. Now or in the summer. Hughes is pretty crap by the way, no issue with you calling it early. I was called an embarrassment for saying the same about Pellegrino after the Wolves game roughly 12 months ago. Gone by Christmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Fickle fickle fickle You cannot call me fickle. That would mean that I have supported Hughes at any stage in his Saints management. I have consistently said he isn't good enough. It's not fickle, it's prescient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 The only bright side of this atrocious ness is that it will eventually lead to horrid Hughes getting the sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post Fav to go next now. Personally as others have said I don't think the blame can fully be put at his feet. He is only blameable for what happens on the pitch. And let's be honest his tactics/team selections/subs are all questionable right now. The blame lies at the feet of Les and Ralph. They continue to make mistakes and don't seem to learn from them. All the selling and buying crap replacements has caught up with us. I still don't understand why we paid a **** load of money for a reserve goal keeper when we already had two on the books and one on huge wages was unlikely to be going anywhere. Should have put that money elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 HUghes is a terrible manager....utterly terrible. Yes he kept us up (fair play) but he has never done anything to suggest he was what we needed. Baffling teams, tactics and terrible decisions. AUstin, Long, Hoedt......and Gabbi, Yoshi (our best defender) cannot make the bench (that has 4 midfielders on it) Utterly embarrassing......and what was the point of keeping Targett, Gallagher and the like when he won't even give them a chance from the bench. Oh, and see Sims turned the game for Reading when he came on............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Agreed 100% should have used the money to buy a half decent striker..... Ings has tried his best but let's face it will be lucky to reach double figures https://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post Fav to go next now. Personally as others have said I don't think the blame can fully be put at his feet. He is only blameable for what happens on the pitch. And let's be honest his tactics/team selections/subs are all questionable right now. The blame lies at the feet of Les and Ralph. They continue to make mistakes and don't seem to learn from them. All the selling and buying crap replacements has caught up with us. I still don't understand why we paid a **** load of money for a reserve goal keeper when we already had two on the books and one on huge wages was unlikely to be going anywhere. Should have put that money elsewhere. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Why would we give him a 3 year contract and then sack him 3 games into the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Why would we give him a 3 year contract and then sack him 3 games into the season? you are aware that we are a really weird club these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmonton Saint Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 It's still a bit early, However I am in the camp that didn't want Hughes to begin with and he has done little to change my mind. All pre-season was effectively wasted by playing 3 centre backs, a system which was dropped 70 mins into the first game. He seems to have no plan of action, no system awareness, no tactical nous, baffling selections and substitutions. Will give him a few more games in the hope he can change things around though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Who de we replace him with then? Please don't suggest Allardyce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Who de we replace him with then? Please don't suggest Allardyce. No, we cannot go cheap again - that's what we seem to do over and over again. Not sure - we needed to act in the Summer so we've missed out on a lot of good Managers. However, there must be some half decent managers that we could get in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 No, we cannot go cheap again - that's what we seem to do over and over again. Not sure - we needed to act in the Summer so we've missed out on a lot of good Managers. However, there must be some half decent managers that we could get in. Leeds got in Bielsa ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 But two years ago it was Purl. Last season it was Pellegrino? So only now it's the players? Seems a bit convenient to me. Maybe it's because those managers were foreign? Not from me. I've been calling out Reed since day 1. Guy is a loser and always will be. Stickin a hockey coach besides him doesn't help much either. Hughes was never my no.1 choice but with Les Reed picking his replacement it's too much of a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 It’s not time to go yet but I feel it’s inevitable. They just can’t wait too long. They need to go with someone fresh. Not a manager that moves around clubs like Pardew, Allardyce etc. Give a decent Championship manager a go or someone like Wagner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Who de we replace him with then? Please don't suggest Allardyce.Brendan Rogers? Pay enough to tempt Howe or Shaun dyche? Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Leeds got in Bielsa ffs Can you imagine Les playing second fiddle to Bielsa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 How many games has Hughes won at Saints? Must be a dire percentage. Better in press conferences than Puel and Pellegrino, but largely the same on the pitch. At least Puel had a clear style of play and was committed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 I just don’t get what Hughes is trying to do with the side? Our season seems wasted in terms of setting the side up to start the season. Weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 No, we cannot go cheap again - that's what we seem to do over and over again. Not sure - we needed to act in the Summer so we've missed out on a lot of good Managers. However, there must be some half decent managers that we could get in. Matters not who you bring in. So many things are wrong with this club at the moment and you really need to start at the very top. The owner - What the **** are you doing with this club as nobody knows including the board it seems. Ralph - Do me a favour as the guy should be a millions miles away from the club. Les Reed - His time is up, It's time to move on or retire. Someone needs to buy the club off Gao and install his own football people in and stick with a structure that will work for all of us. Once you've done that then get a decent manager with a good track record in the premiership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 How many games has Hughes won at Saints? Must be a dire percentage. Better in press conferences than Puel and Pellegrino, but largely the same on the pitch. At least Puel had a clear style of play and was committed to it. Pellegrino has a higher points per game than Hughes so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally_uk Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Maybe it's not the manager it's the players? They are just bang average...... You could get in a world class manager however if you have gash to work with what is the point? 2-3 seasons these players have done nothing clear the lot out and start again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-til-i-die Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Howe gets a lot out of average players. It is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Even John Terry couldn't do any worse and may even dova whole lot better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 New pack of "I told you so" cards for Unbelievable Jeff please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 25 August, 2018 (edited) New pack of "I told you so" cards for Unbelievable Jeff please :lol: These ones are certainly well thumbed...like yer Mum. Jokes, obvs. Edited 25 August, 2018 by Unbelievable Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38] These ones are certainly well thumbed...like yer Mum. Jokes, obvs.It's Alpine I worry for. I assumed you'd stolen his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 I just don’t get what Hughes is trying to do with the side? Our season seems wasted in terms of setting the side up to start the season. WeirdThis. We've got exactly the same tombola team selections we've had with the previous managers. Massively disappointed with Hughes. I think we've got him at the arse-end of his Prem career and he's lost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harriesss Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Hughes has a worse win percentage than Pellegrino and we only stayed up last season because there were 3 teams worse than us. He’s a dreadful manager who plays dull route one football, has worsened us defensively and allowed our squad to become bloated with average to dreadful footballs, the quicker he goes the better. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 This. We've got exactly the same tombola team selections we've had with the previous managers. Massively disappointed with Hughes. I think we've got him at the arse-end of his Prem career and he's lost it. lets get the inevitable big sam thing done now ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 I just don’t get what Hughes is trying to do with the side? Our season seems wasted in terms of setting the side up to start the season. Weird The squad is such a mess that he's probably struggling to work out the best formula. Similar players all over the pitch, all with similar failings. 3 managers have chopped and changed the midfield because our recruitment team have made such a f**ing mess of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 But two years ago it was Purl. Last season it was Pellegrino? So only now it's the players? Puel wasn't given a chance, MoPe was an abject failure of the scouting and management teams, Sparky had to be given this season, but may well prove to be poor in the longer term. During the tenures of all 3 the 'developement' of the squad has been badly mismanaged, but how much real input have any of the 3 had ? ( Carillo was signed as a sop to MoPe, but all that really does is reinforce the argument that the Board level decisions are the work of imbeciles - the correct action at that time would have been to dump the manager ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Hughes didnt make the mistakes today. Hughes didnt miss the chances against Burnley. He is not the problem. And as previous posters have alluded to, i would not trust Reed with bringing any new manager in. Probably end up with some unknown from the austrian league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Worst thread in the history of Southampton football club, please end it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Hughes didnt make the mistakes today. Hughes didnt miss the chances against Burnley. He is not the problem. And as previous posters have alluded to, i would not trust Reed with bringing any new manager in. Probably end up with some unknown from the austrian league So to play 5 at back with 2 holding mids against burnley at home, then opposite at Everton then today leave the donkey in the back line and no gabbi on the bench, but with long starting, THIS is Hughes fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnersaint Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Hughes didnt make the mistakes today. Hughes didnt miss the chances against Burnley. He is not the problem. And as previous posters have alluded to, i would not trust Reed with bringing any new manager in. Probably end up with some unknown from the austrian league F**k no not Alpine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Jeff Posted 25 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 25 August, 2018 Hughes didnt make the mistakes today. Hughes didnt miss the chances against Burnley. He is not the problem. And as previous posters have alluded to, i would not trust Reed with bringing any new manager in. Probably end up with some unknown from the austrian league Do you understand what a manager does, and what his responsibility is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydenhamssocks Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 So to play 5 at back with 2 holding mids against burnley at home, then opposite at Everton then today leave the donkey in the back line and no gabbi on the bench, but with long starting, THIS is Hughes fault Absolutely correct! His choices/decisions so far don't bode well. Mediocrity ahead...at best ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 I think Hughes has enough to ensure we stay up, which ultimately is the main objective for the Board and owner. If we stay up with the lowest outlay possible then profits remain good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 A tad early for this thread I feel!3 games in is pretty good for us to be fair. Sent from my SM-T580 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 August, 2018 Share Posted 25 August, 2018 A squad with no pace is always going to struggle. We never replaced our goal scorers and so that’s where we are. Sad set of events and a season of struggle.To call for the manager gone,again, is just a nonsense it is the stupid situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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