norwaysaint Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 I'm assuming Vestergaard is first for most, but let's see the rest rated 1-4 out of: Yoshida Hoedt Stephens Bednarek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Hoedt Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Hoedt Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be. In your opinion anyway. Vestergaard Yoshida Bednarek Hoedt Stephens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashnats Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Hoedt Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be. This. Straightforward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Doesn't really matter, none of them would be good enough for a Top 6 side anyway. They all have good days and bad days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Yoshida Vestergaard Stephens Bednarek Hoedt Not a great fan of Vestergaard cos of his lack of pace and speed on the turn, but he just about comes in second as he's decent in the air. Hoedt is a shocking player and if Vestergaard is in the side, either Stephens or Bednarek are better options imo than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Doesn't really matter, none of them would be good enough for a Top 6 side anyway. They all have good days and bad days. Why does them not being good enough for a top 6 team mean it doesn't matter what order they should be in at Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Why does them not being good enough for a top 6 team mean it doesn't matter what order they should be in at Saints? Because they're all average and placing them in a hypothetical pecking order is pointless. The manager picks whoever he thinks is best for the job in hand on the day and our opinion makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintadam Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Because they're all average and placing them in a hypothetical pecking order is pointless. The manager picks whoever he thinks is best for the job in hand on the day and our opinion makes no difference. Weird post. Why have any sort of opinion then since it’s always gonna be the managers choice in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Because they're all average and placing them in a hypothetical pecking order is pointless. What exactly does that mean? Compared to what? "Average" is a term football fans often use but doesn't really make sense without explanation as it isn't being used in a mathematical sense. The manager picks whoever he thinks is best for the job in hand on the day and our opinion makes no difference. Of course not... BUT... isn't the point of football club fan internet forums to discuss things about a club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 What exactly does that mean? Compared to what? "Average" is a term football fans often use but doesn't really make sense without explanation as it isn't being used in a mathematical sense. Of course not... BUT... isn't the point of football club fan internet forums to discuss things about a club? That’s a bit rich coming from the one person who jumps on anyone who dares to have an opinion differing yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Yoshida Bednarek Hoedt Stephens. Was actually harder to place them in order when I started to think about it, but I think mine would match this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Yoshida Hoedt Bednarek Stephens. With the bottom 3 being much of a muchness and not much between them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 (edited) Vestergaard Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Klarer Bradley-Green O'Driscoll Every u21, u19, u16, u10, u5 Saints Centreback The Staplewood Cat Ted Bates Statue Mk1 Hoedt Edited 21 August, 2018 by Cabbage_Face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 What exactly does that mean? Compared to what? "Average" is a term football fans often use but doesn't really make sense without explanation as it isn't being used in a mathematical sense. Of course not... BUT... isn't the point of football club fan internet forums to discuss things about a club? average ˈav(ə)rɪdʒ/Submit noun noun: average; plural noun: averages 1. a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number. "the proportion of over-60s is above the EU average of 19 per cent" synonyms: mean, median, mode, midpoint, centre; More an amount, standard, level, or rate regarded as usual or ordinary. "underground water reserves are below average" synonyms: normally, usually, ordinarily, generally, generally speaking, in general, for the most part, in most cases, as a rule, typically; More 2. the apportionment of financial liability resulting from loss of or damage to a ship or its cargo. reduction in the amount payable under an insurance policy, e.g. in respect of partial loss. adjective adjective: average 1. constituting the result obtained by adding together several amounts and then dividing this total by the number of amounts. "the average temperature in May was 4°C below normal" synonyms: mean, median, medial, middle "the average temperature in May was 4°C below normal" of the usual or ordinary amount, standard, level, or rate. "a woman of average height" synonyms: ordinary, standard, usual, normal, typical, regular, unexceptional "a woman of average height" having qualities that are seen as typical of a particular person, group, or thing. "the average lad likes a good night out" mediocre; not very good. "a very average director making very average movies" synonyms: mediocre, second-rate, uninspired, undistinguished, ordinary, commonplace, middle-of-the-road, mainstream, unexceptional, unexciting, unremarkable, unmemorable, indifferent, humdrum, nothing special, everyday, bland, run-of-the-mill, not very good, pedestrian, prosaic, lacklustre, forgettable, amateur, amateurish; More antonyms: outstanding, exceptional verb verb: average; 3rd person present: averages; past tense: averaged; past participle: averaged; gerund or present participle: averaging 1. amount to or achieve as an average rate or amount over a period of time; mean. "annual inflation averaged 2.4 per cent" calculate or estimate the average of. "the women earned only £35 weekly when their seasonal earnings were averaged out" result in an even distribution; even out. "it is reasonable to hope that the results will average out" result in an average figure of. "the cost should average out at about £6 per page" HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Yoshida Hoedt Bednarek Stephens. With the bottom 3 being much of a muchness and not much between them How it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard thus far seems to make a difference as while i'm sure we'll find out he's not perfect either over a longer period of games, he does seem to actually be able to communicate/lead the backline which since fonte/van Dijk haven't appeared good on that front. Vestergaard Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Hoedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard (based on 1 game though) Yoshida Bednarek Stephens Hoedt Stephens at least had half a decent season under Puel. Also he is good on the ball, despite his struggles with positioning and in the air, so there is at least one positive. Hoedt has nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 mediocre; not very good. "a very average director making very average movies" That still doesn't answer the question as I asked, "compared to what?" Plus if it is a mean average, being in the middle is not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Yoshida Stephens Hoedt Bednarek Hoedt may be our best defender on the ball but his mistakes undermine that part of his game. He appears to lose focus and concentration which is criminal in the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 That still doesn't answer the question as I asked, "compared to what?" Plus if it is a mean average, being in the middle is not bad. Probably compared to the likes of VVD, Fonte, Toby etc etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 That still doesn't answer the question as I asked, "compared to what?" Plus if it is a mean average, being in the middle is not bad. Compared to the rest of our defenders, which is what this thread is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 (edited) That still doesn't answer the question as I asked, "compared to what?" Compared to the rest of our defenders, which is what this thread is about. How can they be average compared to themselves? That is nonsensical! They need to be compared to something else for an average to work. Edited 21 August, 2018 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 1. Vestergaard 2. Yoshida 3. Bednarek 4. Stephens 5. Hoedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
team-saint Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vest + Yoshi is clearly going to be the best partnership Some posters seem to have not really considered that Yoshi has improved a lot since he was first with us. He still has the odd mistake, yes, and can get bullied a bit against bigger strikers, but he is pretty reliable now and one of our most experienced players, plus now at around the peak age for a CB. Should be one of the first names on the team sheet and the captain in my view Hoedt can be awful at times and Stephens switches off too much and gets dominated in the air. But both are still young and need to be playing alongside someone more experienced Bednarek showed promise at the end of last season but seems to get done for pace too easily and is young. We need to see more of him at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangelyBrown Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 I'm assuming Vestergaard is first for most, but let's see the rest rated 1-4 out of: Yoshida Hoedt Stephens Bednarek For me it depends who they are playing with. I rated Stephens more than Yoshida as a partner to Van Dijk, but I wouldn't want Hoedt and Stephens playing together in a million years. For me assuming number 1 is Vestergaard Yoshida Stephens Bednarek And I'd never play Hoedt with Vestergaard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Of our current selection of centrebacks, any pairing that includes Yoshida is better than any pairing without him. He is therefore the first choice CB for me, regardless of his individual ability. I personally would rate the rest as follows: 1. Yoshi 2. Vest 3. Bedna (really good and totally under appreciated) 4. Hoedt 5. Stephens (versatile enough to be tried elsewhere and still young) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danjosaint Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 I watched vestergaard in training yesterday and give him time to settle but he seems some player, in defending and attacking, in the attacking/shooting practice he was superb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Hoedt Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be. This is going to be another one of your, "having a mare" threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBitterne Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergard Yoshida Hoedt Bednerak Stephens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Hoedt Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be. This is going to be another one of your, "having a mare" threads Is it? Mark Hughes I would guess thinks it is a similar pecking order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 This is going to be another one of your, "having a mare" threads How anyone can rate Hoedt is beyond me, I'm guessing he must be like VVD in training. Blokes a clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 (edited) How anyone can rate Hoedt is beyond me, I'm guessing he must be like VVD in training. Blokes a clown. Saying "Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be." Is NOT the same as saying "I rate Hoedt" or that "he is as good as van Dijk or Alderweireld etc". There is a significant difference! I do think if Saints are able to stamp out the mistakes and improve his decision making like they did with Yoshida, then Hoedt does have a lot going for him. However many Saints fans appear to overlook his qualities and write him off on the basis of a few **** ups. Edited 21 August, 2018 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Saying "Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be." Is NOT the same as saying "I rate Hoedt" or that "he is as good as van Dijk or Alderweireld etc". There is a significant difference! I do think if Saints are able to stamp out the mistakes and improve his decision making like they did with Yoshida, then Hoedt does have a lot going for him. However many Saints fans appear to overlook his qualities and write him off on the basis of a few **** ups. Has zero qualities. Mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Reece Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vest Yoshida Bednarek Stephens Hoedt - I would like to never see in the squad ever again, gives me a heart attack whenever he is near the ball. I would rather have Dan Seabourne playing CB right now than him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Hoedt - I would like to never see in the squad ever again, gives me a heart attack whenever he is near the ball. I would rather have Dan Seabourne playing CB right now than him! Now there is a hyperbolic statement! (if not hyperbole, I'd question your ability to judge player quality ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Does Mark Hughes post on here as his view is the only one that has any value... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simo Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 1. Vestergaard 2. Yoshida 3. Bednarek 4. Stephens 5. Hoedt This , Hoedt is easily our worse Cb has far too many mistakes and lapses of concentration that cost us goals ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 This , Hoedt is easily our worse Cb has far too many mistakes and lapses of concentration that cost us goals ! And yet he's played all of both games this season and 30 odd games last season. So what's being said here is that the managers don't know what they're doing right? I blame fantasy football myself, fans become imbibed with their own opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckenham Saint Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Yoshida Vestergaard Bednarek Hoedt Stephens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrensup Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Does Mark Hughes post on here as his view is the only one that has any value... Might as well close the forum down with the logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard - (possibly) PL Yoshida (lower level PL) Hoedt - Championship Bedarnek - Championship Stephens - L1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard - (possibly) PL Yoshida (lower level PL) Hoedt - Championship Bedarnek - Championship Stephens - L1 Go with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Does that make Stephens the L1 Beckenbauer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Does that make Stephens the L1 Beckenbauer? I still pish myself that he was rated (by one or two) better than Maguire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Big V Yoshi Then it really doesn't matter the order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Jannick Yoshi Bednarek Stephens Hoedt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Jannick Yoshi Bednarek Stephens Hoedt Yep sounds about right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Vestergaard Hoedt Yoshida Stephens Bednarek Hoedt is nowhere near as bad as many on here make him out to be. He's a hell of a lot worse than Yoshida. Yoshida is pace 16. Hoedt is pace 8. Yoshida is positioning 13. Hoedt is positioning 9. Yoshida is leadership 16. Hoedt is leadership 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 He's a hell of a lot worse than Yoshida. Yoshida is pace 16. Hoedt is pace 8. Yoshida is positioning 13. Hoedt is positioning 9. Yoshida is leadership 16. Hoedt is leadership 4. And I presume these are some sort of fantasy football ratings ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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