whelk Posted 20 August, 2018 Share Posted 20 August, 2018 Am I missing something but prison and probation service seems royally screwed since privatisation. Why the hell are such services privatised? I just don’t get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 20 August, 2018 Share Posted 20 August, 2018 Am I missing something but prison and probation service seems royally screwed since privatisation. Why the hell are such services privatised? I just don’t get it Officially it saves money and improves efficiency. In reality, it's another example of allowing public money to be leached away by the relatives and ex school chums of our Political masters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 20 August, 2018 Share Posted 20 August, 2018 Dogma. Public services which by their nature are monopolies shouldn’t ever be privatised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 I think it's brilliant that we have introduced choice into the sector so that inmates feel empowered to shop around and select the prison most appropriate to their needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 21 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Officially it saves money and improves efficiency. In reality, it's another example of allowing public money to be leached away by the relatives and ex school chums of our Political masters. I can see the efficiency benefits. You don’t need so many prison officers if make the environment so terrifying that they don’t leave the office. A few more suicides might help as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Whether they’re private or public, soft arsed liberals & pinkos have screwed our prisons. An ex prison officer works for me & the stories he tells would make you hair curl (if you have any). The only thing the authorities are interested in is controlling them by any means. This mainly involves turning a blind eye to all sorts of practises that mean prisoners don’t kick off. Probation is a ****ing joke, it’s just a tick box exercise and has been for many years. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Probation is a ****ing joke, it’s just a tick box exercise and has been for many years. The probation service is privatised. A vast loss-making, target-missing, care-avoiding private enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Can I ask a quick question, why are they allowed TV's etc in Prison? Isn't it meant to be a punishment, something that takes away all the freedoms of normal life? Bellends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Can I ask a quick question, why are they allowed TV's etc in Prison? Isn't it meant to be a punishment, something that takes away all the freedoms of normal life? Bellends.I think there's a few studies about incentives for good behaviour and privileges leading to better outcomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Whether they’re private or public, soft arsed liberals & pinkos have screwed our prisons. There must be another cliche or two you could have managed to fit in. Our ever increasing prison population in ever more crowded and squalid prisons doesn't seem to be working very well, if re-offending rates are anything to go by. But then with the resources cut and the prisons full of people with poor education and mental health problems, rehabilitation doesn't seem much of a priority. Any training done seems to be how to improve your criminal techniques. Wasn't it Failing Grayling who suggested prisoners not be allowed books? That man is so stupid he'd weld the safety valve on a pressure cooker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 There must be another cliche or two you could have managed to fit in. Our ever increasing prison population in ever more crowded and squalid prisons doesn't seem to be working very well, if re-offending rates are anything to go by. But then with the resources cut and the prisons full of people with poor education and mental health problems, rehabilitation doesn't seem much of a priority. Any training done seems to be how to improve your criminal techniques. Wasn't it Failing Grayling who suggested prisoners not be allowed books? That man is so stupid he'd weld the safety valve on a pressure cooker. should be more like a military prison. Re-offending rate/returning to jail (as you say) is pretty much at 0% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 The probation service is privatised. A vast loss-making, target-missing, care-avoiding private enterprise. It’s been like that for years & years, was like it before privatisation. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 should be more like a military prison. Re-offending rate/returning to jail (as you say) is pretty much at 0% The problem is people are hardened criminals by the time they get to prison. They’ve been given such soft sentences previously that they’re past the stage they can be helped. I bet reoffending rates wouldn’t be so high if after the first time you were caught, the short sharp shock of a prison sentence awaited you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 Given the appallingly low rate of crime prosecutions, re-offenders can reasonably assume they'll get away with whichever is their misdemeanor of choice. The risk of being put back in the jug wouldn't register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 The problem is people are hardened criminals by the time they get to prison. They’ve been given such soft sentences previously that they’re past the stage they can be helped. I bet reoffending rates wouldn’t be so high if after the first time you were caught, the short sharp shock of a prison sentence awaited you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk I know people who have done time in both military prison and civilian jail. Both for pretty lame stuff in the grand scheme of things... the person who came out of the civvy lock up said it was alright and a bit of a laugh at times. Those who I know who have been to Colchester have said it was horrendous and they never want to go back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 21 August, 2018 Share Posted 21 August, 2018 The problem is people are hardened criminals by the time they get to prison. They’ve been given such soft sentences previously that they’re past the stage they can be helped. I bet reoffending rates wouldn’t be so high if after the first time you were caught, the short sharp shock of a prison sentence awaited you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Been done in the 1970s LD, and didn’t work then. In principle I agree sentences for those prisoners who pose a clear risk to the public and will be hardest to reform should be a lot longer but are people happy to pay the extra tax to cover it? Costs over £40k a year on average to keep someone behind bars, a lot of money. Government guidelines on sentencing, both Tory and Labour, have been discouraging JPs and to a lesser extent judges from putting people away in guidelines due to the cost and that I am ITK on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecuk268 Posted 22 August, 2018 Share Posted 22 August, 2018 I bet reoffending rates wouldn’t be so high if after the first time you were caught, the short sharp shock of a prison sentence awaited you. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Already been tried by Thatcher. Detention centres with mindless military-style discipline mainly for juveniles and young adults, 90% of which were in there for nicking something. One inmate said: “I can’t say whether I’ll go out and pinch again or not, but I can tell you that drilling hasn’t made any difference. It makes me better, I think. I enjoy it, it passes the time more quickly and it makes us fit. Next time, we’ll just run faster from the coppers won’t we?” Some of these centres are now being investigated as part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plastic Posted 22 August, 2018 Share Posted 22 August, 2018 Never understood the point in just locking up petty criminals. Make them do something useful, like picking all the fruit & veg that our Eastern European brethren did previously. No picky, no eaty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 August, 2018 Author Share Posted 22 August, 2018 Already been tried by Thatcher. Detention centres with mindless military-style discipline mainly for juveniles and young adults, 90% of which were in there for nicking something. One inmate said: “I can’t say whether I’ll go out and pinch again or not, but I can tell you that drilling hasn’t made any difference. It makes me better, I think. I enjoy it, it passes the time more quickly and it makes us fit. Next time, we’ll just run faster from the coppers won’t we?” Some of these centres are now being investigated as part of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse. He will never embrace anything progressive as all about pride and ego. Probably thinks the death penalty and internment works. No clue that if you don’t respect people it gets worse as all about being tough never mind the evidence that this is rarely effective, Likes of him don’t like paying taxes for a better society either as all about them rather than any concern for helping others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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