verlaine1979 Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 I liked Armstrongs performance, but he is pedestrian pace wise. Lets see him after a few games before crowning him king Redmond isn't quick either. I'm not saying he's slow - just average. Very, very rarely see him outstrip anyone for flat out pace, same as most of the rest of our squad. But you're absolutely right that Armstrong hasn't done enough yet either way. Still, we bought him to play in central attacking midfield, so we should probably at least give him a run there before letting Redmond (who has has several years now to regularly put in meaningful performances) to nip in ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Its almost like our fans were oblivious to how negative our previous two managers were? We have decent attacking players. They had bad games because we played with 10men behind the ball even when attacking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteCampbell Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Its almost like our fans were oblivious to how negative our previous two managers were? We have decent attacking players. They had bad games because we played with 10men behind the ball even when attacking... Yeh couldn't agree more with this. Redmond is one of the players who will benefit with the shackles taken off a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Well his place is not under threat from those players. He is a decent player but it is buffoons like yourself who have such mind-sets that are so embedded you cant give him the credit he deserves. No need for rudeness. One half decent performance does not make an average player into a superstar and it doesn't matter which player we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Can someone please define what they mean by pace? If you just want flat out pace, sign Usain Bolt and be done with it. Movement, team shape, and speed of pass are much more important qualities in the team. The ball can move much faster than anyone can run. I'm not saying we don't need at least one player who can stretch a defence, but lack of pace does not make a bad player. MLT, Pirlo and many many more effectively prove the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Yeh couldn't agree more with this. Redmond is one of the players who will benefit with the shackles taken off a bit. You could be right, but he was pretty mediocre before he joined us, so I'm not really expecting him to flourish all that much beyond what we've already seen. Redmond's problem is he doesn't have any outstanding qualities - he's not particularly quick, not especially tricky or inventive, and he's not a great finisher or passer. You need to be better than average in at least one of those categories to have a reliable attacking impact on games, and he's just middling in all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfahaji Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Can someone please define what they mean by pace? If you just want flat out pace, sign Usain Bolt and be done with it. Movement, team shape, and speed of pass are much more important qualities in the team. The ball can move much faster than anyone can run. I'm not saying we don't need at least one player who can stretch a defence, but lack of pace does not make a bad player. MLT, Pirlo and many many more effectively prove the point. I think you've answered your own question. Having a player with pace (and some footballing ability, obviously) also changes the complexion of the game because the opposition can't afford to ignore that threat by committing players forward or playing a high line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 He's always looked decent when running at people. Problem is for the majority of the last two seasons He's stopped and turned back far too often rather than getting at the defence. Sent from my SM-J330FN using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 I think you've answered your own question. Having a player with pace (and some footballing ability, obviously) also changes the complexion of the game because the opposition can't afford to ignore that threat by committing players forward or playing a high line. I noticed a criticism of Armstrong because of pace, and another of Redmond. I just don't think that they're valid criticism in isolation. If only we still had Jonno Quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Still needs to learn to pass. Anyone can run at someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Still needs to learn to pass. Anyone can run at someone. Looool. Keeping the ball under control, whilst running at pace and beating a man (top level defenders) is arguably one of the hardest skills as a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 (edited) Still needs to learn to pass. Anyone can run at someone. Have you seen Shane Long play pal? Edited 14 August, 2018 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Looool. Keeping the ball under control, whilst running at pace and beating a man (top level defenders) is arguably one of the hardest skills as a footballer. Well if he's that good then maybe he should have mastered the art of passing by now. On the list of hard football skills that must rank somehow near the bottom yes? Or, more likely, he's a greedy little cvnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 14 August, 2018 Share Posted 14 August, 2018 Well if he's that good then maybe he should have mastered the art of passing by now. On the list of hard football skills that must rank somehow near the bottom yes? Or, more likely, he's a greedy little cvnt. Whether you like him as a player or not, any objective observer would struggle to find evidence for your final sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 No need for rudeness. One half decent performance does not make an average player into a superstar and it doesn't matter which player we are talking about.You are correct, whilst I didn't mean to be rude, but frustrated with the typical nonsense about him I read on here. We as fans put extra pressure on players by the constant moaning from the stands, that doesn't help the player and so he is more likely to hide or make a mistake. Get behind him and help him to evolve/improve. On sunday he was one of the outstanding players. Cheer him instead of moan at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Well if he's that good then maybe he should have mastered the art of passing by now. On the list of hard football skills that must rank somehow near the bottom yes? Or, more likely, he's a greedy little cvnt. Someone might have the time to look up his pass accuracy and compare to similar players. As when MLT was overlooked by England ( I'm not saying they are the same BTW) as he was said to be wasteful , he said something on the lines of if you want me to make 3yard passes I will do that 100% of the time, but he wanted to make more telling passes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Redmonds in for a good season, just get behind the lad. Even when he fks up. Only 24 got loads of football ahead of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 The constant carping about some of our players is disappointing. People who have used this thread to criticise Nathan Redmond should look at his record. He made his top level professional debut at the age of 16 and has represented England at all levels from under 16's to the full national team. That doesn't necessarily make him as good as some of the world class players in The Prem, bought in by other clubs for multi-million-pound transfer fees, but some of the comments on here by people who would struggle to kick a football are simply absurd. Claiming he can't pass the ball must rank as one of the silliest. Our players are constantly assessed by professional coaches and all are here because of their ability to play at Premier League level. Teams in the Championship would gratefully take any of them, because our squad are so much better than most players at the level below. There needs to be a bit more appreciation for what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Looool. Keeping the ball under control, whilst running at pace and beating a man (top level defenders) is arguably one of the hardest skills as a footballer. Indeed - something made abundantly clear by how rarely Redmond takes on and beats anyone at pace (or by standing them up for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Better Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Indeed - something made abundantly clear by how rarely Redmond takes on and beats anyone at pace (or by standing them up for that matter). I can only think you don't actually watch Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 I can only think you don't actually watch Saints.Verlaine is just another with the prejudice so ingrained he cant see. Just look at Sundays game and he best players multiple times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Redmond is disliked by most of the squad for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Verlaine is just another with the prejudice so ingrained he cant see. Just look at Sundays game and he best players multiple times I acknowledged earlier in the thread that Sunday was Redmond's most effective game in a long, long time. Considering there was still precious little end product to show for it provides ample proof that I'm right about him. Moreover, Redmond wasn't so much beating people against Burnley as he was driving them back towards their own goal. Carrying the ball forward with purpose is something the team has lacked, so I'm glad to see it, but I've no idea what you were watching if you thought Redmond repeatedly beat his man and got in behind during the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 I acknowledged earlier in the thread that Sunday was Redmond's most effective game in a long, long time. Considering there was still precious little end product to show for it provides ample proof that I'm right about him. Moreover, Redmond wasn't so much beating people against Burnley as he was driving them back towards their own goal. Carrying the ball forward with purpose is something the team has lacked, so I'm glad to see it, but I've no idea what you were watching if you thought Redmond repeatedly beat his man and got in behind during the game.No he didn't beat his man he beat 2 or 3 at a time. Burnley are so well drilled, at any time there is a chance of an effort on goal there are 3 or 4 back on the goalline or throwing themselves at the ball. They are a real unit and very hard to attack, our new winder got into position to shoot and each time a defender threw himself at the ball to stop the shot coming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Redmond is disliked by most of the squad for a reason.Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint77 Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 Still needs to learn to pass. Anyone can run at someone. typical modern saints fan no f----cking idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 (edited) Redmond is disliked by most of the squad for a reason. You have no idea if hes liked by the squad or not..... Edited 15 August, 2018 by ALWAYS_SFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marsdinho Posted 15 August, 2018 Share Posted 15 August, 2018 In this current climate, if you are English and play well for 5-10 games in the Prem, you tend to get a call up to the England squad... I wonder how many Englishmen started last season thinking that if they had a good season, they would be going to a World Cup. I wonder if not getting anyway near that squad would be a kick up the backside for people like Redmond (Could probably included JWP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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