Shance Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 Could've been a lot worse. When I saw the fall I thought straight away that he was out for the rest of the season. Hopefully we will see Theo up front now. We need a big few games from him to plug this gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 Well that took a bad turn then. Could have been worse, but still not ideal. Doubt we'll be seeing him until 2021. Nightmare. He is so important to how we play and what we do, I cannot see us sustaining our heights without him. Let's hope our start has given us enough of a cushion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsarum Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 4 weeks would mean missing 3 games, 6 weeks would mean missing 6 games, lets hope its 4 weeks, but think even if he's fit he will probably miss more games through squad rotation/resting as he did last year for Chelsea and Palace away games , which didn't adversely effect us last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 (edited) The positive half of me is thinking: "Could have been a lot worse. Best possible timing given the international break. Should only miss 3 games" The negative half of me is thinking: "Hmmm, when Saints say '4 to 6 weeks' they usually mean: 'It'll be months but we'll say 4 - 6 weeks initially to stop people panicking'. Fingers crossed he doesn't get an infection during the surgery like JRod and Sam McQueen did" Edited 4 November, 2020 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 Great shame but if it's 4-6 weeks then so be it, Theo can grasp the opportunity to earn a new contract. Think I read - may have been on here - his most prolific time with Arsenal was playing as more of a striker than being stuck out on the wing ? Just hope the injury isn't one of those rolling injuries where 4-6 weeks becomes 4-6 months. Saints have got a bit of a record for underplaying injuries, Salisu for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 2 minutes ago, Badger said: Just hope the injury isn't one of those rolling injuries where 4-6 weeks becomes 4-6 months. Saints have got a bit of a record for underplaying injuries, Salisu for one. Indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 4 November, 2020 Share Posted 4 November, 2020 Now might be a good time for covid to shut down football for two months. So, everyone get out and do your bit. (Obviously don't.) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roo1976 Posted 5 November, 2020 Share Posted 5 November, 2020 Stop worrying folks.............................................. Shane Long😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 5 November, 2020 Share Posted 5 November, 2020 1 minute ago, Roo1976 said: Stop worrying folks.............................................. Shane Long😉 goals, goals, goals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 27 November, 2020 Share Posted 27 November, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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northam soul Posted 27 November, 2020 Share Posted 27 November, 2020 2 hours ago, trousers said: Ah but don’t forget he said Salish was one or two weeks away about six weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 27 November, 2020 Share Posted 27 November, 2020 If the international break had any benefit to us, it's this - and the fact he won't have missed as many games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 27 November, 2020 Share Posted 27 November, 2020 7 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: If the international break had any benefit to us, it's this - and the fact he won't have missed as many games. Lots of people grizzle gutting on here at the time of his injury, while those of us with an ounce of a brain realised he’d only miss 4-5 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefizzy14 Posted 27 November, 2020 Share Posted 27 November, 2020 57 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: If the international break had any benefit to us, it's this - and the fact he won't have missed as many games. Exactly this. It will only have been 3 games. Great news that Ingsy will be back for the Brighton game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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beatlesaint Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Being a natural pessimist I don't find this coming up regularly very encouraging I'm afraid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, beatlesaint said: Being a natural pessimist I don't find this coming up regularly very encouraging I'm afraid Agree. The fact that Ralph / the club have gone high-profile public with this suggests to me that we're in last-throw-of-the-dice territory. If Ings really wanted to stay then I'm pretty convinced that a deal would have been done and dusted before it got to this stage. Edited 4 December, 2020 by trousers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 5 minutes ago, trousers said: Agree. The fact that Ralph / the club have gone high-profile public with this suggests to me that we're in last-throw-of-the-dice territory. If Ings really wanted to stay then I'm pretty convinced that a deal would have been done and dusted before it got to this stage. Putting pressure on in the media is unlikely to make him sign. His agent must have told him he can get him another club on xxx amount more. Dont know who out of the top clubs would take him though, could be an interesting summer again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 I'm sure for Ings it is a genuinely tough decision, and I don't know what the right deciaion really is, from his perspective. He is loved at Saints, and that must be special. But equally, he has worked his whole life to be a professional footballer, and there is a clear limiy of what he can achieve in the game staying at Saints. A move to a big club might mean he isnt a hero, but could mean he ends his career having won a title, played and scored in the Champions League, and who is to say he couldn't become a key player for a big side? He will certainly know what interest there is in him, which complicates matters. I wonder from a Saints perspective what they would do if he said he didnt want to sign a new deal? From a business sense you would sell ASAP, but that would be a big downer for the club, fans and rest of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 It doesn't sound overly promising from Ralphs interview does it. Throw his special position away for a few quid more, live with his decision etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 6 minutes ago, Dusic said: I'm sure for Ings it is a genuinely tough decision, and I don't know what the right deciaion really is, from his perspective. He is loved at Saints, and that must be special. But equally, he has worked his whole life to be a professional footballer, and there is a clear limiy of what he can achieve in the game staying at Saints. A move to a big club might mean he isnt a hero, but could mean he ends his career having won a title, played and scored in the Champions League, and who is to say he couldn't become a key player for a big side? He will certainly know what interest there is in him, which complicates matters. I wonder from a Saints perspective what they would do if he said he didnt want to sign a new deal? From a business sense you would sell ASAP, but that would be a big downer for the club, fans and rest of the squad. that is the only option. Sell in the summer for what we can get and move on. It'd be a shame but replace him and move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Corbyn Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Doubt he would move for money, he'll have made a packet already and can smash the cheds in far away lands later on. I do agree that he must be tempted to move to a club with a major trophy hit rate of more than 1 every 150 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jeremy Corbyn said: Doubt he would move for money, he'll have made a packet already and can smash the cheds in far away lands later on. I do agree that he must be tempted to move to a club with a major trophy hit rate of more than 1 every 150 years. we're due to lose another cup final in 10 years though given our history over the last 41 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dusic said: I wonder from a Saints perspective what they would do if he said he didnt want to sign a new deal? From a business sense you would sell ASAP Yep...I don't think there's any coincidence that the club have upped the stakes just before the January transfer window as that's when his value will be at his peak in his current contract cycle. Wait until the summer and we'd get significantly less I reckon. In other words, I wouldn't be overly surprised if we let him go in January to maximise the profit. Of course, the downside of that is that a replacement will be much harder to secure in January compared to the summer.... (having said all that, now cue Ings new contract accouncement next week!) edit: actually, has he got one or two years left on his contract next summer? If two years then maybe there won't be such a differential between January and August. (I was thinking maybe he only had a year to go after next summer) Edited 4 December, 2020 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry_SFC Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 If he doesn't sign a new contract by January then to get a half decent fee we'd probably need to sell him next month. Would be a bit of a disaster but I've no doubt Saints are doing all they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 24 minutes ago, Turkish said: that is the only option. Sell in the summer for what we can get and move on. It'd be a shame but replace him and move on. Are you stark raving bonkers? This is a local lad who loves the Saints as much as you and I, he won't be moving anywhere anytime soon. Wait and see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 The optimist in me says the reason we’re seeing these quotes regularly is because he’s the player the press are interested in. We don’t get an equivalent quote about Bertrand every week. Contract talks are progressing as normal and it’ll be announced soon. The Saints fan in me says this doesn’t look great and unfortunately we’ll have to sell in the summer and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 52 minutes ago, Dusic said: I'm sure for Ings it is a genuinely tough decision, and I don't know what the right deciaion really is, from his perspective. He is loved at Saints, and that must be special. But equally, he has worked his whole life to be a professional footballer, and there is a clear limiy of what he can achieve in the game staying at Saints. A move to a big club might mean he isnt a hero, but could mean he ends his career having won a title, played and scored in the Champions League, and who is to say he couldn't become a key player for a big side? He will certainly know what interest there is in him, which complicates matters. I wonder from a Saints perspective what they would do if he said he didnt want to sign a new deal? From a business sense you would sell ASAP, but that would be a big downer for the club, fans and rest of the squad. I agree totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Kerplunk Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 If we sell, it could fill a financial hole we are probably in. Great financial action. Will be a massive loss for the first team, fans and the actual football element of SFC. Terrible football action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 19 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Are you stark raving bonkers? This is a local lad who loves the Saints as much as you and I, he won't be moving anywhere anytime soon. Wait and see! Do you think loving the saint is enough? He would know more than anyone how fragile a footballers career is. He could always by a season ticket when he retires! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 I’m afraid he’s got form for running down his contract and leaving for nothing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 27 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Are you stark raving bonkers? This is a local lad who loves the Saints as much as you and I, he won't be moving anywhere anytime soon. Wait and see! Obviously if he doesn't sign a new deal Charlie. 🙈 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 27 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Are you stark raving bonkers? This is a local lad who loves the Saints as much as you and I, he won't be moving anywhere anytime soon. Wait and see! He should be offered the most lucrative contract the club can afford but if he doesn't sign by the Summer the club will have to put him up for sale. They can't afford to let him walk away for nothing at the end of next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 3 minutes ago, LeG said: Just agents doing their jobs. RH is hardly going to come out and say we are going to break the bank for him....which is exactly what will happen. Players will take the money / contract now and we will get a big fee when if he goes. Which sides would actually want him? Can only think of Arsenal and theyre shite. Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23rdSaint Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 48 minutes ago, Charlie Wayman said: Are you stark raving bonkers? This is a local lad who loves the Saints as much as you and I, he won't be moving anywhere anytime soon. Wait and see! I've never understood this. When has he ever come out and stated he's a Saints fan? Because he certainly wasn't growing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Which clubs could afford to spend the fee and wages on him during covid and gurantee him being a starter and needs him. ........ answers on a postcard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 18 minutes ago, 23rdSaint said: I've never understood this. When has he ever come out and stated he's a Saints fan? Because he certainly wasn't growing up. People said the same about Wayne Bridge. It wasn't that long ago we were told the likes of Shaw, Lallana, Schnderlin etc would never want to leave saints as they'd want to stay here forever and play with their mates who they'd gone through the leagues or academy with. Oh how we laughed at this fantasy world clap trap and got called trolls and WUMs if we said they were talking sh1te. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjimbo83 Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 There is no loyalty in football, the sooner fans realise that the better. Being a saints fans, we should know that as much as anyone. It doesn't matter if he is from the area, if Spurs coming knocking and matched our valuation he would be off in a shot. Luckily it is Ralph coming out in the press, if it was good old Les Reed it would mean he is off for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 22 minutes ago, saintjimbo83 said: There is no loyalty in football, the sooner fans realise that the better. Being a saints fans, we should know that as much as anyone. It doesn't matter if he is from the area, if Spurs coming knocking and matched our valuation he would be off in a shot. Luckily it is Ralph coming out in the press, if it was good old Les Reed it would mean he is off for sure. Nonsense, Les would say we are in positive dialogue and he is comfortable with the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 13 minutes ago, Turkish said: Nonsense, Les would say we are in positive dialogue and he is comfortable with the situation. Positive talks and every indication he will sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 This isn’t worrying me just yet personally, we wont ever sell in January- VVD was an exception to that. I think in the end Saints will cave in and offer him 100k- there was article on the Athletic the other day which said teams cave in when they realise how much it costs to find a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 1 hour ago, Convict Colony said: Which clubs could afford to spend the fee and wages on him during covid and gurantee him being a starter and needs him. ........ answers on a postcard Good point, and I can't think of one club that'd be an upgrade (or at least significant one) on us, although I could think of a few that'd probably pay him more and give first team footy...Wolves (at least whilst Jiminez is out), Villa, West Ham, Newcastle. He'd be terrific for Leeds. Bielsa's style would suit him and the fans would love him. On balance I suspect this is brinkmanship and I reckon he'll sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 27 minutes ago, egg said: Good point, and I can't think of one club that'd be an upgrade (or at least significant one) on us, although I could think of a few that'd probably pay him more and give first team footy...Wolves (at least whilst Jiminez is out), Villa, West Ham, Newcastle. He'd be terrific for Leeds. Bielsa's style would suit him and the fans would love him. On balance I suspect this is brinkmanship and I reckon he'll sign. For a relatively low fee given contract status and also given his homegrown status its not beyond the realms of possibility that Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham and City might all have some level of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 56 minutes ago, Dusic said: For a relatively low fee given contract status and also given his homegrown status its not beyond the realms of possibility that Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham and City might all have some level of interest. Possibly, but my post was in response to a post about where he'd go and be a regular starter. He'd never be a regular starter for any of those. To go to one of them it'd have to be for a bit part rule, but admittedly with European footy and more cash. Regardless, if he wants out, we'll no doubt cash in over the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 3 hours ago, 23rdSaint said: I've never understood this. When has he ever come out and stated he's a Saints fan? Because he certainly wasn't growing up. He’s not a saints ‘fan’ and never has been. However, he is a local lad who, from what I understand, is enjoying life back ‘home’. that being said, should the right opportunity (he will want to play amd won’t do what he done at Liverpool and be backup) arise for him to leave for a top 6 club, he’ll be off. my suspicion is that he’ll go to a London club or someone commutable from Winchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints1988 Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 1 hour ago, SKD said: He’s not a saints ‘fan’ and never has been. However, he is a local lad who, from what I understand, is enjoying life back ‘home’. that being said, should the right opportunity (he will want to play amd won’t do what he done at Liverpool and be backup) arise for him to leave for a top 6 club, he’ll be off. my suspicion is that he’ll go to a London club or someone commutable from Winchester. I am sure he grew up a Saints supporter. But we did bin him off in the academy, loyalty is a two way street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Leicester were willing to pay £100k a week to keep Vardy. We should do the same for Ings. Much better value than spunking £19million on some useless twat who couldn’t even kick a ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 4 December, 2020 Share Posted 4 December, 2020 Speaking in the embargoed section of the presser, Ralph was very clear on contracts for Ings and Bertrand: - We have shown the players how much we value them and what we can offer them, within our limits - Ball is in the court of those players to decide if they want to sign. - If they do, great. - If not, we will find another solution - Later said he was still confident Ings will stay, as he knows what he has here and enjoys being the main man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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