verlaine1979 Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 We've got a lot of centre backs on the books, but does anyone really believe that our squad is suited to playing five at the back? As an emergency measure last season to try and stop us shipping goals long enough to lurch over the line, sure, but it's not as if the ones we've got are so good compared to the rest of the squad that we need to build the team around getting as many of them on the pitch at once as we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Not at all We have the players for a 4231/433 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 It brought Hughes downfall at Stoke, thats for sure. Another problem is we have no RWBs available. Easier to hide someone like Stephens at RB than it is to find an attacking weapon to play as the main creative force on that side. But then again, our CBs struggle badly in any system because most aren't good enough. Perhaps Vestergaard & Yoshida might work as a two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Quick. We are terrible with this 352 system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Hughes is a top top manager. He will fix this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 It doesn't work because we have players like Stephens, Hoedt and Bednarek who are Championship standard. Best to convert back to a back four an ensure none of the names above are near the starting 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Thick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Quick. We are terrible with this 352 system We were terrible with 4 at the back last season under Pellegrino until Hughes changed to a 3 centre back system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Not at all We have the players for a 4231/433 +1, agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 We were terrible with 4 at the back last season under Pellegrino until Hughes changed to a 3 centre back system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Its gonna be a long slow start to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 The problem is with our CBS is that we’ve got no genuine leader. Yoshida is a bit, but not a colossus ass kicker we’ve been fortunate to have in recent years. We’ve got a lot of CBs who are the types who look at each other after conceding a goal, desperately hoping a leader or organiser materialises amongst them. But they never do, and so the farce continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 We were terrible with 4 at the back last season under Pellegrino until Hughes changed to a 3 centre back system. The improvement might have had nothing to do with the system. Playing with greater intensity certainly helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 I don't think we have the right CB or midfield options to play 4 at the back. Hoj + Lemina is not a good midfield base, neither are naturally defensive enough. That's the main reason why we were comfortably beaten today. Romeu has to be in there to sit, probably with Armstrong and one of the one of the other two playing as box to box central midfielders. I'd prefer that we played one of Gabbi and Austin from the start of a match, then go for either Redmond or Elyounoussi off the main striker in a similar fashion to the way England employed Sterling at the world cup. We need to be able to control the midfield much better than we have managed up until now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 The improvement might have had nothing to do with the system. Playing with greater intensity certainly helped. I'm guessing Hughes disagrees he has clearly decided its the way to go. Which leaves my hoping Yoshida and Cedric are the missing pieces of the puzzle and are going to have amazing seasons...which is pretty ****ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 I don't think we have the right CB or midfield options to play 4 at the back. Hoj + Lemina is not a good midfield base, neither are naturally defensive enough. That's the main reason why we were comfortably beaten today. Romeu has to be in there to sit, probably with Armstrong and one of the one of the other two playing as box to box central midfielders. I'd prefer that we played one of Gabbi and Austin from the start of a match, then go for either Redmond or Elyounoussi off the main striker in a similar fashion to the way England employed Sterling at the world cup. We need to be able to control the midfield much better than we have managed up until now. Thats not Armstrong’s best position and he’d probably give less protection than Lemina and Hoj there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Useful Idiot Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Thats not Armstrong’s best position and he’d probably give less protection than Lemina and Hoj there. I probably worded that wrong. What i meant was this: --------CB----CB----CB------- WB---------Romeu-----------WB -----Hoj/Lem-----Armstrong----- ---------Redmond/Moi---------- --------Austin/Gabbi----------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 I always thought "3 at the back" referred to the number of centre-backs, not the number of goals you concede with the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Just heard Hughes on Solent and he admitted had it been a competitive game he would have changed the formation much much sooner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 (edited) Just heard Hughes on Solent and he admitted had it been a competitive game he would have changed the formation much much sooner Very good to hear Have we done that at all this summer? Edited 4 August, 2018 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Just heard Hughes on Solent and he admitted had it been a competitive game he would have changed the formation much much sooner Begs the question why not change it in a friendly to see how 'Plan B' works in practice ? Or just realisation that the players on the bench would make little impact? Wonder if MH will be beating a path to Les & wilson's door for a change in personnel before next week. Shouldn't bank on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Likely he didn't change it because he wanted to see how the players adapted, including the subs. In preseason sometimes its more important to give a formation a full run, and with different players, than to just win. Now he knows that formation sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 We play five at the back because individually the players are not good enough. We are trying to hide our inadequacies. In the end though you get found out as you either lack goals or you leave gaps are you attempt to get them. Midfield is a major weakness. Not sure we have top class strikers, much threat out wide...we are short everywhere really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 Just heard Hughes on Solent and he admitted had it been a competitive game he would have changed the formation much much sooner Wonderful. Hopefully it means he doesn't even bother with this utter turd formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 4 August, 2018 Share Posted 4 August, 2018 You have to have very good CBs to play with a back 3 as the two wider ones are going to get isolated in wide areas 1v1 and for the likes of Hoedt/Bednarek it's just a disaster waiting to happen and they'll be exposed time and time again. A flat back 4 with Yoshida and Vestergaard is the only way forward IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 5 August, 2018 Share Posted 5 August, 2018 (edited) You have to have very good CBs to play with a back 3 as the two wider ones are going to get isolated in wide areas 1v1 and for the likes of Hoedt/Bednarek it's just a disaster waiting to happen and they'll be exposed time and time again. A flat back 4 with Yoshida and Vestergaard is the only way forward IMO It’s so bleeding obvious isn’t it. My team... which I think suits our players a lot more....... McCarthy Cedric Yoshida Vestergaard Bertrand Romeu Hoibjerg Armstrong/Lemina Mo/Gabbi Redmond Austin Edited 5 August, 2018 by Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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