Derby v Saints (Friendly) - Match Thread

[doddisalegend]

Every single season. Win and it's just a friendly. Lose and it's utter doom.

 

I've seen us be great, average and awful in pre season over 25 years. It's basically never had any correlation to the season ahead.

 

yep you said the same last season even when it was obvious we had some serious issues and Mope was a serious downgrade on Puel in pre-season. The results aren't important but the manner of performances are. the performances of Hoedt and Stephens are a major concern as was lack of service to the forwards and our inability to control midfield.

[woodsaint]

Its only preseason, chill the f*** out!!!

[alpine_saint]

Sounds like an Augsburg-level performance.

[trousers]

Looks like Man City's heading for a rubbish season too

 

[Batman]

I think if we are as bad against BmG, then worry more

[shurlock]

yep you said the same last season even when it was obvious we had some serious issues and Mope was a serious downgrade on Puel in pre-season. The results aren't important but the manner of performances are. the performances of Hoedt and Stephens are a major concern as was lack of service to the forwards and our inability to control midfield.

 

Only Pellegrino was holding us back from a similar league finish as previous seasons. Nowt wrong with the squad according to adrian.

Edited 21 July, 2018 by shurlock

[shurlock]

Looks like Man City's heading for a rubbish season too

 

 

Did you see City’s starting lineup?

[Saint Without a Halo]

So the conclusion is we need a better defence better defensive and creative midfielders and a more potent attack apart from that we are good to go!

[CB Fry]

Well my 10 year daughter had a useful introduction to the life of a Saints supporter at her first match.

 

Dear me.

[Window Cleaner]

So the conclusion is we need a better defence better defensive and creative midfielders and a more potent attack apart from that we are good to go!

 

Sounds about right, same as every season really..

[Suomi Saint]

Better to have the wake up call now rather than later......

[Pilchards]

I expect Hughes is thinking to himself that he needs to find out how Lampard is getting his player playing for him.

[davefoggy]

Pre season friendlies mean nothing in the great scheme of things, been here before so many times. Look at Everton ffs, wining 22-0 the other day.

[Window Cleaner]

Pre season friendlies mean nothing in the great scheme of things, been here before so many times. Look at Everton ffs, wining 22-0 the other day.

 

But their opponents were of a derisory quality. Derby are just one step down the ladder.

[Saint Pete]

Hmmm, bit of a reality check that!

 

Probably a good thing at this stage as reinforces the need for more quality to be brought in attack wise.

 

Also a reminder to Hughes if he needed it that Hoedt and Stephens are not good enough as starters if we want to improve this season.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Results might not matter in pre-season but performances do and this has been awful from start to finish. I’m not convinced we have the players to fit the formation.

 

This far out the only thing that matters is fitness. Derby are probably ahead of us in this respect as their season starts a week earlier. Nobody I know gives a flying **** about preseason, performances or results. I guess Sky are diving it, but I don’t recall much interest in pre season before the premier league. Still at least the planks on here have had the opportunity to practise their moaning before the real thing starts.

 

 

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[John B]

yep you said the same last season even when it was obvious we had some serious issues and Mope was a serious downgrade on Puel in pre-season. The results aren't important but the manner of performances are. the performances of Hoedt and Stephens are a major concern as was lack of service to the forwards and our inability to control midfield.

 

Nail on the head Doddi

 

We still don't seem to have any stand out players just a squad of average PL players.

 

We need a top class CBack and CForward

[krissyboy31]

Just seen the result and even though it's preseason, that's pretty poor even by our standards!

 

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[egg]

I got slaughtered for suggesting that Vestergaard plus Hoedt would be a car crash in a back 3. Our players aren't suited to our system and are being shoe horned in. We need to shift to 433 or 4231.

[CB Fry]

To be fair Vestergard and Moi looked decent enough. There's hope.

[doddisalegend]

I got slaughtered for suggesting that Vestergaard plus Hoedt would be a car crash in a back 3. Our players aren't suited to our system and are being shoe horned in. We need to shift to 433 or 4231.

 

So leave out Hoedt and Stephens and play Yoshida and Jan Bednarek its not the formation its the fact Hoedt and Stephens are total turd.

[Graffito]

Think Hughes should file that under experimental, even if it wasn’t. Seems like an odd starting midfield. Know nothing of Derby but you’d expect a Lampard team to be strong in midfield and pass the ball around.

[hasper57saint]

No doubt Sparky has made notes on who did or didn't do what. 4 4 2 anyone? It's a pre season friendly so they were instructed to lose? Just can't believe some of the comments on here today. Anyone for Crab football?

[Batman]

jack stephens going to be the Harry Maguire of the 18/19 season?

 

anyone?

[angelman]

Guys, look on the bright side. A defeat often tells you more than a scraped victory. Hughes isn't a mug and I am sure will have taken a lot out of that.

[Heisenberg]

jack stephens going to be the Harry Maguire of the 18/19 season?

 

anyone?

 

If we give Sam Gallagher a chance we will be OK.

[saintadam]

Same posters as usual moaning and slagging managers and players off.

 

Not a good performance but madness to pick on the new players and Hughes at this point.

 

I’m excited for the new season, I believe we will come good.

[saint77]

So leave out Hoedt and Stephens and play Yoshida and Jan Bednarek its not the formation its the fact Hoedt and Stephens are total turd.

 

Yep

[Dark Munster]

Maybe this was Sparky's cunning plan to get Mr. Gao to loosen the purse strings a bit further.

[LaptopSaint]

1) It was only an early pre-season friendly, but Derby just looked more up for it than we did.

2) Apart from his obvious glaring error for the first goal, I thought Vestergaard looked pretty good at the back and up front. He was talking a lot too, which i like.

3) Redmond and Mo looked good in the first half - something to build on. Charlie ran around a lot.

4) Lemina was either unfit or simply couldn't be arsed. Has the potential to offer so much more. Midfield was a bit of a mystery the whole game.

5) Jack Stephens has (ahem) had better days.

6) I quite liked the brief look at Sam Gallagher when he came on - he's got something about him.

[saintsmike25]

We draw against the runners up in the Bundersliga and it's a "we played okay" we lose against a championship side and it's suddenly relegation.

Friendlies are just that - a chance for players to blend in and learn a system, sometimes like with all games it works, sometimes it doesn't - and sometimes it is the kick up the arse the team need.

We thrashed St Etienne in a friendly under MOPO too, let's not read too much into them.

 

Derby were always likely to be more "up for it"

 

Lampard is a manager with lots to prove

Home game against Premiership side - want to show the fans that their value for money

Not missing players from World Cup like we were with defenders (Yoshi/Bednarek)

 

Hughes will find a system that works and bed in our new signings, we're still three signings away, we need a striker, a pacy winger and wingback to cover Cedric.

[shurlock]

We draw against the runners up in the Bundersliga and it's a "we played okay" we lose against a championship side and it's suddenly relegation.

Friendlies are just that - a chance for players to blend in and learn a system, sometimes like with all games it works, sometimes it doesn't - and sometimes it is the kick up the arse the team need.

We thrashed St Etienne in a friendly under MOPO too, let's not read too much into them.

 

Derby were always likely to be more "up for it"

 

Lampard is a manager with lots to prove

Home game against Premiership side - want to show the fans that their value for money

Not missing players from World Cup like we were with defenders (Yoshi/Bednarek)

 

Hughes will find a system that works and bed in our new signings, we're still three signings away, we need a striker, a pacy winger and wingback to cover Cedric.

 

And we played poorly in that game.

 

Why is that we have the same players making the same mistakes -and it’s dismissed as irrelevant because on this occasion it’s happened in preseason rather than the actual season?

Edited 21 July, 2018 by shurlock

[Monk]

Those of you that watched, what did you make of Mason Mount.

 

Some staff at The FA rate him as the best footballing talent we’ve had for a decade.

[Batman]

And we played poorly in that game.

 

Why is that we have the same players making the same mistakes -and it’s dismissed as a blip in a meaningless game?

 

even the goals we let slip over in China, they were mostly stupid defensive errors. Nothing has changed (so far) from last season

[shurlock]

even the goals we let slip over in China, they were mostly stupid defensive errors. Nothing has changed (so far) from last season

 

You could almost justify things if the defensive errors were somehow different - but in many cases they’re a carbon copy of the errors we saw not only last season but also the season before that.

 

Fine Bednarek and Yoshida still have to come in; but it’s pretty telling that we’re now looking at them as key pieces to the squad.

[Micky]

Was at the game and we were pretty much second best for the whole of the 90 minutes. All of the faults have been highlighted in many of the posts prior to this, we were very slow all over the pitch and not physically strong either. The amount of times that a ball was simply flicked around the corner for their runners was amazing - that's all it took for them to get in. We were weak in..., actually thinking about it we were weak all over the park, and our attacking intent (intent may not be a very good word) was minimal.

 

People have referenced the Augsburg friendly from last season, I was at that game as well and came away thinking that we were going to be in for a long hard season - and so it proved right. I know we still have lots of friendlies to play - but I'm of exactly the same impression - we are not very good at all.

 

New guys, Moi tried hard, showed little glimpses, almost a clone of Tadic but not sure that he's as good. Jan, mistake for the goal, you either take the ball, the player or both, or you get punished. Won corners in the box (as you would expect), attempt at goal and another headed down but nobody gambled.

 

As I said, pretty poor all round, but hopefully we have time to sort it out. Not going to get too downhearted just yet - but from here, the only way has to be up.

[Dalek2003]

Looks like we are aiming for 17th again.

[Cabbage_Face]

If we play the season with Hoedt and Stephens we will go down. 100 percent. Anyone who thinks Stephens is a good is insane, been saying it since his loan days. Can’t head and to casual on the ball. Ship him out.

 

 

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[Matthew Le God]

Looks like we are aiming for 17th again.

 

Did you apply the same "logic" after we drew with the 2nd best German team two weeks ago?

 

It is pre-season, results are meaningless. They don't replicate league conditions as the are massively disjointed by large numbers of subs and players aren't motivated to perform in the same manner as a competitive game.

Edited 21 July, 2018 by Matthew Le God

[Crab Lungs]

Did you apply the same "logic" after we drew with the 2nd best German team two weeks ago?

 

It is pre-season, results are meaningless.

 

Results are, but performances are important and normally an indicator of a few things....

[shurlock]

Did you apply the same "logic" after we drew with the 2nd best German team two weeks ago?

 

It is pre-season, results are meaningless.

 

How about performances pal?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

This far out the only thing that matters is fitness. Derby are probably ahead of us in this respect as their season starts a week earlier. Nobody I know gives a flying **** about preseason, performances or results. I guess Sky are diving it, but I don’t recall much interest in pre season before the premier league. Still at least the planks on here have had the opportunity to practise their moaning before the real thing starts.

 

 

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Agree that fitness is the most important thing. That said, if we play like that in the next 2/3 I think it’ll be cause to be worried. Hopefully just a chance to try some different things out.

[Micky]

How about performances pal?

Exactly, performance, attitude and application are very good indicators. We lacked badly today in all of the aforementioned.

 

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[iansums]

How about performances pal?

 

Why does every bloody post of yours end with the word ‘pal’?

[stevy777_x]

Looks like we are aiming for 17th again.

 

:mcinnes:

[shurlock]

Why does every bloody post of yours end with the word ‘pal’?

 

Does it?

[davefoggy]

If we play the season with Hoedt and Stephens we will go down. 100 percent. Anyone who thinks Stephens is a good is insane, been saying it since his loan days. Can’t head and to casual on the ball. Ship him out.

 

 

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I like Stephens, i think he is decent. And does a good enough job. Never realised i was insane until now

[Professor]

Did any of the moaners notice that wasn’t Saints’ first XI? It was a kick about using 20 different players. Hard to understand why some people follow our club when they dislike so much about it.

[Shroppie]

Did any of the moaners notice that wasn’t Saints’ first XI? It was a kick about using 20 different players. Hard to understand why some people follow our club when they dislike so much about it.

This. Think the trolls are peaking too early.

 

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[Cabbage_Face]

Did you apply the same "logic" after we drew with the 2nd best German team two weeks ago?

 

It is pre-season, results are meaningless. They don't replicate league conditions as the are massively disjointed by large numbers of subs and players aren't motivated to perform in the same manner as a competitive game.

 

Deja vu

 

 

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