SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 While we have been having a good close-season so far as far as transfers are concerned, one position that remains of some concern is right back. We have a good first choice in Cedric, but if he gets injured we seem to have very little cover in that position, having released Jeremie Pied. Therefore, I am wondering if there is any news about this? Are we in the market to sign anyone? Of course it may be that it is felt that Yan Valery is ready to take a step up into first team contention. If so that will be great to see and I hope he will be a great success. Alternatively, could Hughes be considering the possibility of one of our right backs providing cover on the left? Or could another youngster like Alfie Jones or Jake Flannagan be converted into playing at right back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyboy Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 I'm assuming Stephens is cover although I've not read anything about it, just seems to make sense in terms of backup. If Valery makes big strides this year (figuratively not literally) (although that might help too) then that's great and maybe then we have a succession plan in place for when Cedric finally gets too old and goes to join west ham or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danbert Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Harrison Reed played successfully at right back for Norwich for much of last season. I can't see him breaking into Saints midfield, so if he's not going out on loan again, I would guess that this is his "path to the first team" as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Harrison Reed is the obvious cover having played there and successfully for Norwich last season. Can't see him getting a look in as MF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Harrison Reed is the obvious cover having played there and successfully for Norwich last season. Can't see him getting a look in as MF. This Tenacious, seemingly good engine to get up and back, knows where the goal is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Yeah I think Stephens and Reed will be the back ups for right back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 I'd rather we just signed a new first choice RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Valery, Stephens, Reed, JWP... more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Valery, Stephens, Reed, JWP... more than enough. Only if all four play at the same time will we have an adequate back-up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Most people on here don’t rate Cedric, so sell him and play some random 17 year old. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Valery is a hell of a talent. He deserves his chance and alongside Stephens gives good back up. We've then got various players who can "do a job" ie Yoshida, JWP, Hoj, Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Most people on here don’t rate Cedric, so sell him and play some random 17 year old. Did you have a random 17-year-old in mind? (Yan Yalery is 19 years old) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Agree with the majority, we have enough versatility in the squad to cover a right wing back position (Reed if he stays, Stephens, even JWP and Redmond have been mooted of late) and Valery if we want to trust the youth, assuming Cedric gets injured. Crystal Palace played Wan-Bissaka from their youth academy at the tail end of last season and he did very well against top 6 teams - there's no reason why Valery, who has looked good on the odd occasion I've seen him play, can't do a job if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Seems like Hughes is wedded to wing backs from all pre season evidence thus far. Valery is promising, Reed CDAJ, and I think I'm right in saying Armstrong played a few games at right back for Celtic with distinction - good engine, lots of pace getting up and down the wing. And as others have said, we could bung up the right side with a plodding tortoise like Prowse or Stephens if things got desperate. It'd be nice to have a clear back up option, but it wouldn't be a surprise if we settled for what we've got. We were linked to some Croatian bloke a few weeks ago. They seem to produce half decent players... Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 We were linked to some Croatian bloke a few weeks ago. They seem to produce half decent players... Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Karlo Bartolec? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Did you have a random 17-year-old in mind? (Yan Yalery is 19 years old) Harold McKeegan from Christmas Island. Random enough? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Signing some player to sit on the bench IMO goes against what we should be doing, our like 2nd/3rd choice slots should be filled from the academy, especially with our current bloated squad and unwanted players like Forster sitting there on £60-70k a week. Why waste another £40-50k a week on some back up we won't use, give Valery a chance to show what he can do. Also as we are playing wingbacks I am pretty sure most of centre-mids could easily play there, IIRC Hojberg played right back or wing back for Bayern, JWP could easily do it, Stephens too and Reed seems to have done it a few times in pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Signing some player to sit on the bench IMO goes against what we should be doing, our like 2nd/3rd choice slots should be filled from the academy, especially with our current bloated squad and unwanted players like Forster sitting there on £60-70k a week. Why waste another £40-50k a week on some back up we won't use, give Valery a chance to show what he can do. Also as we are playing wingbacks I am pretty sure most of centre-mids could easily play there, IIRC Hojberg played right back or wing back for Bayern, JWP could easily do it, Stephens too and Reed seems to have done it a few times in pre-season. Spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Also as we are playing wingbacks I am pretty sure most of centre-mids could easily play there, IIRC Hojberg played right back or wing back for Bayern, JWP could easily do it, Stephens too and Reed seems to have done it a few times in pre-season. Hojbjerg, Stephens and Ward-Prowse don't have the pace needed to be good wing backs. They'd get exposed by a half decent opposing winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Hojbjerg, Stephens and Ward-Prowse don't have the pace needed to be good wing backs. They'd get exposed by a half decent opposing winger. Agree MLG - they don’t have the pace. Worth noting that Lemina has played as a wingback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23rdSaint Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 ...I’d stick Long there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 ...I’d stick Long there... Yeah his terrible first touch, inability to trap a ball, and lack of crossing ability would all be useful traits in that role...but at least he is quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabbage_Face Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Didn't Yoshida once play RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Didn't Yoshida once play RB? I thought it was LB and he was ****ing awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tajjuk Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Hojbjerg, Stephens and Ward-Prowse don't have the pace needed to be good wing backs. They'd get exposed by a half decent opposing winger. Disagree, you don't necessarily need out and out pace to be a good wingback, as you have cover behind you in the 3 centre-backs. It certainly helps no doubt but it doesn't mean players can't be good in that role if they don't have lots of pace. Wingbacks need to be good all rounders and be able to run all day, all those 3 have those abilities. They also have good footballing brains so would adjust their game accordingly depending on who they face. Super quick quality wingers barely exist anyway, most of them that are genuinely quick have no end product and those that do are few are likely to expose whoever we play there, especially in a wing-back system as they are naturally going to be further up the pitch. Like Cedric as wing-back against Zaha is going to have just as much trouble as anyone else, even if he is quick, it's the natural weakness of the system and the centre-backs have to be good stepping out to deal with the threats in behind the full back. People get too focused on pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Didn't Yoshida once play RB? I'm sure he's played there a few times - once I think in League Cup at home to Villa, scored a beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Prefer to have Stephens/Valery as backup rather than sign another journeyman to bloat the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 I thought it was LB and he was ****ing awful. It was RB and he was ****ing awful. Most of the negative opinions about Yoshida come from the times he was played at RB, but people forget the RB bit and remember he was ****ing awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Hojbjerg, Stephens and Ward-Prowse don't have the pace needed to be good wing backs. They'd get exposed by a half decent opposing winger. amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Valery is a hell of a talent. Like the sound of that. is he regarded as highly as, dare I say it, Bale/Shaw/Bridge or more along the lines of Targett/McQueen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Don't know why people want such a bloated squad of expensive average signings. Cedric gets injured and we have stop gaps. Signings don't have to be average. Club found Cedric and can sign another, maybe better right back. Do that and the first team improves and we have more chance of winning games. If Valery is good enough to start pushing Cedric then no worries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Valery is a hell of a talent. He deserves his chance and alongside Stephens gives good back up. We've then got various players who can "do a job" ie Yoshida, JWP, Hoj, Reed. What points to Valery being a hell of a talent? Interesting that in the only preseason game he’s featured, Hughes preferred Reed over him at wingback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Cedric gets injured and we have stop gaps. Signings don't have to be average. Club found Cedric and can sign another, maybe better right back. Do that and the first team improves and we have more chance of winning games. If Valery is good enough to start pushing Cedric then no worries... We didn’t sign Cedric as backup to clyne but as his replacement. We aren’t going to sign a better right back and have the first choice Portugal right back as an unhappy reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 We didn’t sign Cedric as backup to clyne but as his replacement. We aren’t going to sign a better right back and have the first choice Portugal right back as an unhappy reserve. Why can't we sign someone better than Cedric? He's decent, but he has several weaknesses not least strength and ability in the air - both still important. if we manage to sign someone better than Cedric (that is a big if) and he becomes a reserve so be it. Middling teams signing squad players is folly. Every signing should be equal or better than we have or at least has the potential to become better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Why can't we sign someone better than Cedric? He's decent, but he has several weaknesses not least strength and ability in the air - both still important. if we manage to sign someone better than Cedric (that is a big if) and he becomes a reserve so be it. Middling teams signing squad players is folly. Every signing should be equal or better than we have or at least has the potential to become better. He may not be perfect but he’s a good highly paid international first choice right back. We’ve enough unhappy players we need to loan out without creating another one because there isn’t a chance in a million of Cedric accepting being our reserve right back. If we sell him try and buy a better replacement sure but can’t see how a club our size can or should maintain a bloated squad of players, let alone the potential detrimental effect on the quality of first team signings from having to maintain such a squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 He may not be perfect but he’s a good highly paid international first choice right back. We’ve enough unhappy players we need to loan out without creating another one because there isn’t a chance in a million of Cedric accepting being our reserve right back. If we sell him try and buy a better replacement sure but can’t see how a club our size can or should maintain a bloated squad of players, let alone the potential detrimental effect on the quality of first team signings from having to maintain such a squad. One of the reasons I reckon Bertrand and Cedric where so poor last season is the knew they where first names on the team sheet there was no one pushing for their places even if the where crap week after week. We'd get more out of them if they thought their position was under threat that way they have to play well to keep their place. That isn't going to happen using JWP or Reed as a stop gap RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 One of the reasons I reckon Bertrand and Cedric where so poor last season is the knew they where first names on the team sheet there was no one pushing for their places even if the where crap week after week. We'd get more out of them if they thought their position was under threat that way they have to play well to keep their place. That isn't going to happen using JWP or Reed as a stop gap RB. Bertrand has had the same level of cover since he’s been here, when he developed into an England international. If we believe he is complacent sell him(i don’t Believe he is) and buy a new first choice one. If they are under threat it’s likely we’ll have a hole elsewhere in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 (edited) He may not be perfect but he’s a good highly paid international first choice right back. We’ve enough unhappy players we need to loan out without creating another one because there isn’t a chance in a million of Cedric accepting being our reserve right back. If we sell him try and buy a better replacement sure but can’t see how a club our size can or should maintain a bloated squad of players, let alone the potential detrimental effect on the quality of first team signings from having to maintain such a squad. the squad maybe bloated, and that needs sorting, but having one right back of reasonable quality is not sufficient. We were at our best when we had Clyne and Chambers at the club. We must strive for those heights again, not settle for mediocre. As I have said, if Valery can genuinely challenge Cedric for his place then we don't need to enter the market, but if not then we must consider it. As for a club of our size, I thought we had the 20th biggest turnover of any club worldwide? is that not sufficient to justify having two right backs? Not sure why you re so concerned with the happiness of Cedric. If he is unhappy at being a reserve he can fight for his place or **** off. He's here to serve the club. The club is not here to pay him fortune and keep him sweet. Edited 17 July, 2018 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 One of the reasons I reckon Bertrand and Cedric where so poor last season is the knew they where first names on the team sheet there was no one pushing for their places even if the where crap week after week. We'd get more out of them if they thought their position was under threat that way they have to play well to keep their place. That isn't going to happen using JWP or Reed as a stop gap RB. Or it could be that we had an imbecile for a manager that thought about defence first and didn’t give 2 international standard footballers the freedom they had in previous years. I appreciate your argument and in general I would agree but I’m just not sure who we would get in to play second fiddle. I’m also left wondering what would happen if Hughes dropped the first choice for one of the players you mention? Strop or strive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 It was RB and he was ****ing awful. Most of the negative opinions about Yoshida come from the times he was played at RB, but people forget the RB bit and remember he was ****ing awful. He was also toss at CB for a good while too, as well as RB and LB. He has improved a lot, but he's still the benchmark for "you need to be better than this for us to be in the top half" as far as CBs go at Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 What points to Valery being a hell of a talent? Interesting that in the only preseason game he’s featured, Hughes preferred Reed over him at wingback. Is that an actual question or are you just being an idiot? It's based on his ability as a player. Whether Reed has preferred him in a couple of friendlies doesn't detract from Valery talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 7 February, 2020 Share Posted 7 February, 2020 Valery is starting for the U23s. Should be finished to make Buddha before closing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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