saintmatt Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 I accept France have a wealth of talent in his position, but who’s to say his development, or perceived ability, would not have warranted at least a place in the squad? I wonder what Morgan is thinking now too. I believe his debut- and most of his appearances- were on our watch after all? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Too long ago to say, too many variables. Certainly wouldn't have been starting for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 God knows. But he was miles better with us than he is now. Saying that, think how dreadful he would have been under the last clown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Maybe. Maybe not. We'll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Even in his pomp the only player in their squad he could've hoped to edge out would be Nzonzi, and assuming they picked him in part because of his physical presence (he's 6'6) I doubt it. All old news now, but none of the French people I used to work with thought Schneiderlin was anything to write home about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 I remember being at Wembley to see England beat France 2-0 in 2015, when they had Manchester United's Schneiderlin in their team. He was never a top international player and wouldn't have been good enough for their current team, whichever club he played for. If he'd been good enough to keep his place at Manchester United, he might have been good enough to keep his place for France but he wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stud mark of doom Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Would lallana now be a World Cup winner if he’d stayed with Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 Would lallana now be a World Cup winner if he’d stayed with Saints? No chance, no matter who he played for as we will never win one again... sadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityRanger Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 I saw him playing for France as a lone anchorman and he looked out of his depth, the game passed him by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 No Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 He's faded since he left Saints. Would he have been in the team? who knows, but he would certainly have been closer than he is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 July, 2018 Share Posted 16 July, 2018 If hadn't gone Man U he wouldn't have a FA cup winners medal which I'm sure is a lovely reminder of a nice day out at Wembley where he got to watch the whole final sat down for free.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Until I saw this thread I had completely forgotten about him. It didn't even register that he wasn't in the French squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenue_Saint Posted 17 July, 2018 Share Posted 17 July, 2018 Bring him home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 19 July, 2018 Share Posted 19 July, 2018 Bring him home One of the few I would take back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 19 July, 2018 Share Posted 19 July, 2018 One of the few I would take back! Not now thank you, we've moved on and he's moved down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 19 July, 2018 Share Posted 19 July, 2018 Bring him home A poor player now so no thanks... He was actually on his way down before he left which was proven by him finding it very difficult after he left us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets B Avenue Posted 19 July, 2018 Share Posted 19 July, 2018 Maybe. Maybe not. I can't agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portugalsaint Posted 19 July, 2018 Share Posted 19 July, 2018 One of the many players who left who have gone downhill since leaving Southampton. Morgan is probably regretting his moves he never really made it anywhere else and I am sure we can name all of those who are in the same predicament. Next one downhill, Van Dijk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Fred Posted 20 July, 2018 Share Posted 20 July, 2018 One of the many players who left who have gone downhill since leaving Southampton. Morgan is probably regretting his moves he never really made it anywhere else and I am sure we can name all of those who are in the same predicament. Next one downhill, Van Dijk. It's a shame really as the team he played in was better than the individual parts. All those players who moved on haven't really fulfilled their potential, pobably because they were not as good as they thought they were....but I am sure their money more than compensates! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 20 July, 2018 Share Posted 20 July, 2018 (edited) Really it's all about Pochettino and his guys. A lot of players who showed exceptional form under his methods have just faded away. Morgan would probably have gone on to better things if he'd gone to Spurs in 2014 at the start of heir upturn. Other than that no, he'd not have done any better by staying with Saints, on the international front anyway. Edited 20 July, 2018 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 20 July, 2018 Share Posted 20 July, 2018 Not now thank you, we've moved on and he's moved downDon't you mean we've moved down and he's moved down?! We can hardly be too smug about the direction we've been heading in for past couple of seasons. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 20 July, 2018 Share Posted 20 July, 2018 No France squad is too strong even for peak Morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Uwe Posted 20 July, 2018 Share Posted 20 July, 2018 All ifs and buts. Personally I think if he was a regular Premier League starter and playing at the level we used to enjoy at St Mary's, there's every reason to think he would still be a regular in their squad. It is a shame it didn't work out for him, but it's difficult to be too sympathetic either. I do wonder whether players like him, Lallana etc will look back when they are old and wonder if they could have achieved legendary status with us? Appreciate they've had a go at a big club, and presumably made some good money doing so, but I think they might have expected a lot more by moving from Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 20 July, 2018 Share Posted 20 July, 2018 All ifs and buts. Personally I think if he was a regular Premier League starter and playing at the level we used to enjoy at St Mary's, there's every reason to think he would still be a regular in their squad. It is a shame it didn't work out for him, but it's difficult to be too sympathetic either. I do wonder whether players like him, Lallana etc will look back when they are old and wonder if they could have achieved legendary status with us? Appreciate they've had a go at a big club, and presumably made some good money doing so, but I think they might have expected a lot more by moving from Saints. I don't think any of them will. The counter argument is, had they stayed with us, would they have regretted not trying to maximise their careers? Sportspeople at that level all have a certain amount of self belief, which some will interpret as arrogance, in their abilities. That's one of the things that gets them where they are. Most will try to play at the highest level they can (or best club in this case), there are very few Le Tissier's out there who have other priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verlaine1979 Posted 20 July, 2018 Share Posted 20 July, 2018 All ifs and buts. Personally I think if he was a regular Premier League starter and playing at the level we used to enjoy at St Mary's, there's every reason to think he would still be a regular in their squad. It is a shame it didn't work out for him, but it's difficult to be too sympathetic either. I do wonder whether players like him, Lallana etc will look back when they are old and wonder if they could have achieved legendary status with us? Appreciate they've had a go at a big club, and presumably made some good money doing so, but I think they might have expected a lot more by moving from Saints. At the absolute peak of his performances for us, he only made the 2014 French squad as a standby after Grenier was injured and only made 8 starts across the 2.5 years he was in the squad. Deschamps clearly never really rated him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 23 July, 2018 Share Posted 23 July, 2018 To be fair, Morgs thrived under Pochettino. Had he followed Poch to Spurs during that summer of discontent, I don't see any reason why he wouldn't have improved further and probably kept a place in the France squad. Of all the great things that Poch was, he is a brilliant coach. Morgs staying that extra year when he was clearly unhappy, though good for us, probably stifled him a little bit. I think the same maybe goes for Fonte's blocked move to United after he won the Euros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint-crinny Posted 23 July, 2018 Share Posted 23 July, 2018 Taking the saints glasses off i think you'd have to say no - he went to United which should have been the catalyst for his career really. If he goes in at United, nails down a starter spot and excels at one of the world's biggest clubs, then he proves he can cut it and is almost certainly still in the French squad. For whatever reason he failed, hasnt recpatured his form at Everton either and is rightly not in the squad. if he stayed with us, and even maintained his levels, others at 'bigger clubs' would likely have overtaken him anyway. Kante for example, i dont think was on the french scene when Morgan last was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 23 July, 2018 Share Posted 23 July, 2018 Has Morgan actually played for France since he left us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 July, 2018 Share Posted 23 July, 2018 (edited) Has Morgan actually played for France since he left us? Think so, I remember him being on the pitch a at the time of the 2015 bombings so that would have been on 13th November thus after he moved to Utd. Played against England a couple of days afterwards as well. Edited 23 July, 2018 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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