Lighthouse Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 I'd stick with Gunn and get a settled team in front of him. Valery, Yoshida, Danso, Bertrand. Stick with that for five games, no matter what, and see if there's any sign of improvement. Gunn isn't a bad 'keeper but he is young, will make mistakes and the current shower in defence is doing him no favours at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 Think he looks like he is made of Emmental, first goal yesterday was just one of those things but he was well off his line looking to recreate Bournemouths 3rd, Yoshida was much faster at vainly hoping to hook it out, the Mount goal it seemed to just go through him like he was a hologram, the third was a kick in the guts all round, the fourth, being nutmegged through legs more open than a whores on a busy Saturday night.......................I think we have established beyond any doubt in the Premier League the standard of player you can pick up for between £15m-£20m is not going to have you knocking on the door of the Champions League, more likely stamping on the trapdoor to the Championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micky Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 Cheer up - there's worse out there... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/49959997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 Remember him getting his big break at Chelsea last season because Ralph thought he was better at coming off his line and mopping up play than McCarthy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 Cheer up - there's worse out there... https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/49959997 Didn't Forster do something similar away at Palace a few years back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 Same excuses as per Forster from the people on this forum. Next we’ll be claiming he’s carrying a knock on his knee and isn’t fully fit. McCarthy is superior in every single way, too many people on here over impressed with his designer stubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 7 October, 2019 Share Posted 7 October, 2019 I mean, that's total horse crap - he was terrific for Norwich on loan in the Championship two seasons ago and has represented England right through the age groups. Sometimes there's a middle ground between being a good young player going through a difficult spell of form and being a non league no hoper who should learn another trade. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk I’ve seen better shot-stoppers in the Wessex League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 What errors were they? (and I’ve played a lot of Sunday morning football in my time) The calamity against Bournemouth was mainly due to Bednarek letting the ball bounce. Sunday League football or any league football come to that, dictates that if a goalkeeper comes off his line to get the ball, he must get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 Didn't Forster do something similar away at Palace a few years back? It was away to Villa, got injured doing it as well and never looked as good after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 It was away to Villa, got injured doing it as well and never looked as good after that. No it was definitely Palace I was thinking of. I don't remember the Villa one though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 No it was definitely Palace I was thinking of. I don't remember the Villa one though. Fair enough, he did it against Villa as well (although apparently he didn't come off injured as there's no mention of it - must have been another keeper/incident where they got injured as well). https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30077226 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 It was away to Villa, got injured doing it as well and never looked as good after that. The swing and a miss was against Palace for a goal that Benteke had no chance whatsoever of missing for a change. You are right to think it was against Villa as Forster had a similar brain fart in that game too. The ball was heading towards him with acres of space he hesitated then decided to depart the safety of his line to get the ball, trouble was the player in pursuit of the ball, despite both him and his legs heading into the twilight of their career, was Gabbi Agbonlahor, probably one of the most rapid players across a football pitch that many of us have ever seen in his heyday! He switched his legs on got to the ball first, rounded Forster 1-0 to the Villa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 Sunday League football or any league football come to that, dictates that if a goalkeeper comes off his line to get the ball, he must get it! If he comes out expecting to catch a ball headed back to him and Bednarek just leaves it the who’s at fault? There’s another fundamental rule for a centre back: don’t let the ball bounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 If he comes out expecting to catch a ball headed back to him and Bednarek just leaves it the who’s at fault? There’s another fundamental rule for a centre back: don’t let the ball bounce. If he was expecting Bednarek to head it back to him then why on earth would he decide to rush right out to the edge of his box like that? If a keeper comes that far off his line, he has to be absolutely confident of getting the ball. I do take your point about not letting the ball bounce though. It was a terrible miscommunication between the two players, and the fault lies equally with them both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 8 October, 2019 Share Posted 8 October, 2019 No it was definitely Palace I was thinking of. I don't remember the Villa one though. Still absolutely no idea why he went for that with his left foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookwit Posted 13 October, 2019 Share Posted 13 October, 2019 Reminds me of a young Tim Flowers who made plenty of mistakes and struggled to replace the ageing Burridge early in his Saints career. Flowers was a great shot stopper and never came out for crosses early on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Saint Posted 13 October, 2019 Share Posted 13 October, 2019 Reminds me of a young Tim Flowers who made plenty of mistakes and struggled to replace the ageing Burridge early in his Saints career. Flowers was a great shot stopper and never came out for crosses early on. I hope you are right. I'm not seeing anything special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 13 October, 2019 Share Posted 13 October, 2019 Reminds me of a young Tim Flowers who made plenty of mistakes and struggled to replace the ageing Burridge early in his Saints career. Flowers was a great shot stopper and never came out for crosses early on. Got to say I don't recall Tim Flowers being particularly mistake ridden, although it is a fair time ago now of course, so maybe the memory is letting me down. I seem to recall at one point some questioning why Chris Nicholl was persevering with Burridge when Flowers was waiting in the wings. In hindsight CN was probably protecting Flowers. Burridge on his day though was a good GK, probably better than we have now, but would probably be deemed too short in the current game by many although his agility often made up for it. Hope Gunn reaches the standard of Tim Flowers, but like Ohio I've yet to see it. TF was regarded as an exceptional prospect outside of Southampton from an early stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren2 Posted 13 October, 2019 Share Posted 13 October, 2019 Maybe we need someone one the coaching team who used to be a goalkeeper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 14 October, 2019 Share Posted 14 October, 2019 He’s like many of the keepers that come to the club. Start off well and then they get worse. Thats got to be the coaching surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted 14 October, 2019 Share Posted 14 October, 2019 I hope you are right. I'm not seeing anything special If we're going for comparisons from that era then he's probably more like Ian Andrews than Tim Flowers at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 July, 2020 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2020 I suppose his future is very much tied to what happens with Big Fraser, but what do we think about Gunn’s future? A loan out possibly? Or might he be a Chambers/Targett type of sale, used to fund other positions in the squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 55 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: I suppose his future is very much tied to what happens with Big Fraser, but what do we think about Gunn’s future? A loan out possibly? Or might he be a Chambers/Targett type of sale, used to fund other positions in the squad? Don' t think the club will want to let him go, not without a buy back clause. He's still young, and he is a promising keeper. My concern is that keepers generally need to play to improve, we saw the same thing with Fraser, sitting on the bench (or not even on the bench) helps no-one. Depending on what happens with the other keeps in the squad, I'd be looking to let Gunn go out on loan, possibly down to the championship for a season, and get some games under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 30 July, 2020 Share Posted 30 July, 2020 If we can get a fee for him take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 30 July, 2020 Author Share Posted 30 July, 2020 12 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: If we can get a fee for him take it. There is a case for this IF we need the cash for other signings and we struggle (as usual) to shift the usual suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 31 July, 2020 Share Posted 31 July, 2020 Golfing nearer Leeds than Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 9 August, 2020 Author Share Posted 9 August, 2020 (edited) From Phil Hay’s Leeds Q&A, Re: GK position from The Athletic: We’re waiting to find out with Casilla. It was interesting that Bielsa decided to use him at Derby because it suggested that, in his mind, Casilla is not necessarily done. But I still think there’s a chance he’ll go. Casilla’s reputation has taken a big hit in England. I know that Leeds have long been interested in Emiliano Martinez but sadly he’s flavour of the month at Arsenal. They’ve also looked at Angus Gunn (Southampton) before and that was a name which cropped up again last week. Whatever happens, there’s a very good chance Illan Meslier will start as No 1.We’re waiting to find out with Casilla. It was interesting that Bielsa decided to use him at Derby because it suggested that, in his mind, Casilla is not necessarily done. But I still think there’s a chance he’ll go. Casilla’s reputation has taken a big hit in England. I know that Leeds have long been interested in Emiliano Martinez but sadly he’s flavour of the month at Arsenal. They’ve also looked at Angus Gunn (Southampton) before and that was a name which cropped up again last week. Whatever happens, there’s a very good chance Illan Meslier will start as No 1. Edited 9 August, 2020 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvSFC Posted 9 August, 2020 Share Posted 9 August, 2020 Probably our most "sellable" goalkeeper. I wouldn't want to sell him now, as I think there is still some potential there. His best game for us was probably his debut against Chelsea and last season I feel that he was a victim of playing in a very poor, close to dire Southampton team as well as playing behind a horrendous back line. However, you can't say that McCarthy doesn't deserve the number one spot either and if Gunn needs to go in order to generate funds for other positions and due to not being able to sell Frankenstein then Gunn may have to go. We do however need to make a profit on him and we signed him for £13.5m from City... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 10 August, 2020 Share Posted 10 August, 2020 If Forster is determined to fight for his place here , then it will be against McCarthy. It's then a no-brainer that Gunn will probably get a season loan somewhere. He still has potential but he needs to get his confidence back. In that scenario, I'm not sure who would be third keeper this year though, even Harry Lewis would need to be registered, so that's one extra outfield squad place taken up by a GK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 10 August, 2020 Share Posted 10 August, 2020 Young, so therefore guaranteed to improve. Even though he doesn't save anything, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2020 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2020 Posted this in transfer thread.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Convict Colony Posted 20 August, 2020 Share Posted 20 August, 2020 Bro you do less work than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2020 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2020 19 minutes ago, Convict Colony said: Bro you do less work than me 🙌 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 August, 2020 Share Posted 20 August, 2020 I’ve been told by a guy I trust, that supposedly there is genuine interest in Butland, with Forster going somewhere, haven’t been told anything else, but would make sense to give Gunn games. He needs to be playing week in week out to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2020 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2020 6 minutes ago, Saint Garrett said: I’ve been told by a guy I trust, that supposedly there is genuine interest in Butland, with Forster going somewhere, haven’t been told anything else, but would make sense to give Gunn games. He needs to be playing week in week out to improve. Who needs a keeper that would pay for FF? Can only think of Villa off top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 August, 2020 Share Posted 20 August, 2020 No idea. Maybe he’s done enough last season to bring in suitors? Id be surprised if it’s for decent money but who knows? Trying to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2020 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2020 Just now, Saint Garrett said: No idea. Maybe he’s done enough last season to bring in suitors? Id be surprised if it’s for decent money but who knows? Trying to find out. Could add Leeds to the shortlist... Not sure why Joyce deleted the tweet, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sideways Jim Posted 20 August, 2020 Share Posted 20 August, 2020 8 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: Who needs a keeper that would pay for FF? Can only think of Villa off top of my head. Chelsea are in the market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 20 August, 2020 Share Posted 20 August, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sideways Jim said: Chelsea are in the market I think they're looking for a superstar replacement for Kepa though! If that's Forster their fans will be having a fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 20 August, 2020 Share Posted 20 August, 2020 Just now, S-Clarke said: I think they're looking for a superstar replacement for Kepa though! If that's Forster their fans will be having a fit. They’re trying to bring in a first choice, and sell Kepa but No one wants Kepa. They won’t be signing FF as first choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 20 August, 2020 Author Share Posted 20 August, 2020 2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said: I think they're looking for a superstar replacement for Kepa though! If that's Forster their fans will be having a fit. Just now, Saint Garrett said: They’re trying to bring in a first choice, and sell Kepa but No one wants Kepa. They won’t be signing FF as first choice... More likely to sign a Foster than a Forster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turkish Posted 16 October, 2020 Share Posted 16 October, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: I bet Palace cant believe their luck, 18 months ago they tried to sign him and Stoke wanted £23m for him. Great deal. Edited 16 October, 2020 by Turkish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 16 October, 2020 Share Posted 16 October, 2020 26 minutes ago, Turkish said: I bet Palace cant believe their luck, 18 months ago they tried to sign him and Stoke wanted £23m for him. Great deal Worth a gamble at that price, sure. But given that he's a husk of the goalkeeper he was before fracturing his ankle and his confidence is shot to shit, they'll be taking on a big wage for potentially damaged, unusable goods - which is unlikely be viewed as a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 16 October, 2020 Share Posted 16 October, 2020 1 hour ago, SuperSAINT said: A surprise, wouldnt think we'd want to let him go, unless they've decided he's never going to be good enough. Played a handful of games and cost the club a load of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turkish Posted 16 October, 2020 Share Posted 16 October, 2020 4 hours ago, Saint Garrett said: A surprise, wouldnt think we'd want to let him go, unless they've decided he's never going to be good enough. Played a handful of games and cost the club a load of money. Not really a surprise, it’ll do him good to get a season of football under his belt. We’ve got 3 keepers with not much between them And there won’t be many takers for the other two due to Wages. Makes sense to get Gunn out for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 16 October, 2020 Share Posted 16 October, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Saint Garrett said: A surprise, wouldnt think we'd want to let him go, unless they've decided he's never going to be good enough. Played a handful of games and cost the club a load of money. It is a loan to get 1st team gametime, the alternative is him likely to play 0 league games for us this season. If he does well perhaps he'll get a second chance at Saints. I wouldn't completely write off his Saints future quite yet. Edited 16 October, 2020 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cartman Posted 16 October, 2020 Share Posted 16 October, 2020 33 minutes ago, Turkish said: Not really a surprise, it’ll do him good to get a season of football under his belt. We’ve got 3 keepers with not much between them And there won’t be many takers for the other two due to Wages. Makes sense to get Gunn out for a year. 31 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: It is a loan to get 1st team gametime, the alternative is him likely to play 0 league games for us this season. If he does well perhaps he'll get a second chance at Saints. I wouldn't completely write off his Saints future quite yet. Think he was referring to Nixon's second tweet suggesting that there will be an option to buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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