Saints foreva Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 How so? We need two decent keepers and FF isn't in the picture. Makes perfect sense to me. The only problem is that we haven't been able to offload FF. We needed an attacking based player way more than we needed a second choice goalkeeper. FF is on massive money, he could have easily just sat on the bench this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 We needed an attacking based player way more than we needed a second choice goalkeeper. FF is on massive money, he could have easily just sat on the bench this season. Err, so you'd have had Mccarthy playing all cup games too, with FF on the bench? What would have happened if/when McCarthy got injured - would you really be OK with FF stepping up? I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Err, so you'd have had Mccarthy playing all cup games too, with FF on the bench? What would have happened if/when McCarthy got injured - would you really be OK with FF stepping up? I wouldn't. You mean like he did in the FA Cup last season? While Forster being second choice isn't ideal, he's still an experienced goalkeeper. It was madness for us to pay out £14m on a second choice goalkeeper before we shipped Forster out. It's also madness that Shane Long is our second choice striker. The money we used to buy Gunn should have been used to fund another forward to keep ****e like Shane Long away from the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Err, so you'd have had Mccarthy playing all cup games too, with FF on the bench? What would have happened if/when McCarthy got injured - would you really be OK with FF stepping up? I wouldn't. Well who knows, McCarthy may have saved one of those Derby shoot out spot kicks. IIRC Gunn didn't get anywhere near any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Err, so you'd have had Mccarthy playing all cup games too, with FF on the bench? What would have happened if/when McCarthy got injured - would you really be OK with FF stepping up? I wouldn't. Would you have rather we had we signed a good attacker or striker that actually made the first team and have ff on the bench or have gunn sitting on the bench with no decent attacker, like we have ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersonic Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 Well who knows, McCarthy may have saved one of those Derby shoot out spot kicks. IIRC Gunn didn't get anywhere near any of them. you mean the same McCarthy who just stood there and made no effort when facing penalties against Brighton and Burnley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 you mean the same McCarthy who just stood there and made no effort when facing penalties against Brighton and Burnley? I remember him going the wrong way for the Brighton penalty so "stood there making no effort" doesn't seem to fit really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 11 February, 2019 Share Posted 11 February, 2019 you mean the same McCarthy who just stood there and made no effort when facing penalties against Brighton and Burnley? you mean gambled on the player whacking it down the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted 12 February, 2019 Share Posted 12 February, 2019 Forster should be in the squad Everyone blames him on poor form but they way we’ve defended since Koeman left any keeper would have struggled. In all honesty I don’t have any confidence in McArthy, and would like Gunn in goal with FF as back up. McCarthy has cost us more points this year than Forster did under Puel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 12 February, 2019 Share Posted 12 February, 2019 Would you have rather we had we signed a good attacker or striker that actually made the first team and have ff on the bench or have gunn sitting on the bench with no decent attacker, like we have ? Silly question. I would not want FF as our back up keeper under any circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 12 February, 2019 Share Posted 12 February, 2019 Forster should be in the squad Everyone blames him on poor form but they way we’ve defended since Koeman left any keeper would have struggled. In all honesty I don’t have any confidence in McArthy, and would like Gunn in goal with FF as back up. McCarthy has cost us more points this year than Forster did under Puel That's just not true. I think McCarthy is a pretty average keeper and Gunn's ceiling is miles above his, but he's far from the liability Forster became. Yes, Frasier was exposed by a weaker defence - but exposed as not being very good at goalkeeping when more frequently called upon to do something. Sent from my F3311 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordic Saint Posted 12 February, 2019 Share Posted 12 February, 2019 Forster should be in the squad Everyone blames him on poor form but they way we’ve defended since Koeman left any keeper would have struggled. In all honesty I don’t have any confidence in McArthy, and would like Gunn in goal with FF as back up. McCarthy has cost us more points this year than Forster did under Puel The problem is the longer Dave Watson coaches them, the worse they all get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 16 February, 2019 Share Posted 16 February, 2019 The problem is the longer Dave Watson coaches them, the worse they all get. A good point. I think most of us can see that Watson has has a negative effect on all our goalkeepers. Doesn’t he do of the defensive coaching too which is also dire.... He should have gone in clear out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suhari Posted 16 February, 2019 Share Posted 16 February, 2019 A good point. I think most of us can see that Watson has has a negative effect on all our goalkeepers. Doesn’t he do of the defensive coaching too which is also dire.... He should have gone in clear out. I hope their will be some changes to the coaching set up in the summer. Surely Ralph will be allowed to bring in better? And presumably the new DoF will have an input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 16 February, 2019 Share Posted 16 February, 2019 A good point. I think most of us can see that Watson has has a negative effect on all our goalkeepers. Doesn’t he do of the defensive coaching too which is also dire.... He should have gone in clear out. I know a goalkeeper coach who has worked in academies. He said "Gunn will be one of the best keepers in the Premier League if Watson doesn't ruin him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 16 February, 2019 Share Posted 16 February, 2019 A good point. I think most of us can see that Watson has has a negative effect on all our goalkeepers. Doesn’t he do of the defensive coaching too which is also dire.... He should have gone in clear out. I hope their will be some changes to the coaching set up in the summer. Surely Ralph will be allowed to bring in better? And presumably the new DoF will have an input. Got the impression Watson was a Reed appointment, and protected by him thereafter. Still as Les has gone perhaps the greater clear out will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 March, 2019 Author Share Posted 11 March, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6797195/Scotland-look-swoop-Southampton-goalkeeper-Angus-Gunn.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 March, 2019 Share Posted 11 March, 2019 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6797195/Scotland-look-swoop-Southampton-goalkeeper-Angus-Gunn.html Great, another one of our best players sold cheaply. Thanks Les. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 11 March, 2019 Share Posted 11 March, 2019 To be honest I don't think Gunn is ready to play for England yet, squad maybe. I'd go for Heaton as number 1 at this point in time even after the errors this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 March, 2019 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Gunn will be getting an England call up on Thursday, and not the only saints player Good for them. (That's until they start getting tapped up by Liverpool players). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Gunn will be getting an England call up on Thursday, and not the only saints player Stephens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 12 March, 2019 Author Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Also Watson and Forster hate each other. Crikey, when did this happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Stephens? jwp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 If Gunn's in, should also have Redmond and Ward-Prowse. Instead of Redmond we'll likely get true leg-ends like Young and Delph though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Personally I'd rather none of our lot where near the England (or any international squad for that matter) at the moment. It would just be our luck to pick up an injury to an important player at vital time of the season while they where playing for their country. I'd rather they where with Ralph getting more training in the ways of Ralphball than being coached by Southgate and co. Also any time a Saints players seems to get into the England set up it usually seems to go badly for us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Kucho Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Also Watson and Forster hate each other. I thought they were best mates? Is Watson the problem or is Forster being pain? And LeG one final question, as you and a few others are ITK, hows the atmosphere on the training ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Also Watson and Forster hate each other. Can confirm this. David has tried to get shot of him on numerous occasions, but no-one will take him because he is so expensive. He will sit on the side until his contract expires or someone pays stupid money (and lets be honest, who would do that?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Can confirm this. David has tried to get shot of him on numerous occasions, but no-one will take him because he is so expensive. He will sit on the side until his contract expires or someone pays stupid money (and lets be honest, who would do that?) he is basically our version of Jack Rodwell that Sunderland had to endure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Be shocked if this happens, Tim Dittmer is a BIG fan and has been a big part of Angus's development over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 he is basically our version of Jack Rodwell that Sunderland had to endure. its Tommy Forecast all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Rodwell was offered other clubs but turned them down IIRC , Forster ? I think I would sit tight if I was him rather than fail at another club and end up on the Dole !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 12 March, 2019 Share Posted 12 March, 2019 Rodwell was offered other clubs but turned them down IIRC , Forster ? I think I would sit tight if I was him rather than fail at another club and end up on the Dole !!!![/QUOTE] No bloody sympathy if he ends up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 13 March, 2019 Author Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Gunn will be getting an England call up on Thursday, and not the only saints player You've let me down, LeG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Gunn will be getting an England call up on Thursday, and not the only saints player Double wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted 13 March, 2019 Share Posted 13 March, 2019 Gunn will be getting an England call up on Thursday, and not the only saints player LOL Shame for Ward-Prowse. Must be gutting seeing Delph in there and not him... Not sure why we need 10 defenders either (of which three are left backs)... Loftus-Cheek will be hoping to use his match sharpness on the international stage too (last time he played a full league game was the start of December)...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Red Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 I took plenty of positives (and negatives!) from today’s loss at Burnley but am I imagining it or does Angus not actually stop much. Is he really the best we have! I can remember thinking the same at the back end of last season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 I took plenty of positives (and negatives!) from today’s loss at Burnley but am I imagining it or does Angus not actually stop much. Is he really the best we have! I can remember thinking the same at the back end of last season too. No. Mccarthy is better imo. How he didn't save the 3rd is beyond me. He made 1 save ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 Not much between our 3 very poor goalkeepers imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintTex Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 was never convinced Gunn was better than McCarthy was never convinced McCarthy was better than Gunn not convinced Forster is better their either not convinced either are better than Forster so, umm...our goalkeeping in a nutshell? not very convincing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 was never convinced Gunn was better than McCarthy was never convinced McCarthy was better than Gunn not convinced Forster is better their either not convinced either are better than Forster so, umm...our goalkeeping in a nutshell? not very convincing. I'm convinced that you've convinced me. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ade Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 Thought Gunn should have done a lot better with the 1st and 3rd today. The first was hit hard from about 15 yards, but was straight at him and went through his legs. the 3rd I thought his positioning was poor. Macca is a better keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 Gunn could have done better today but HTF does the club end up with three keepers on those wages and contracts at the same time? Especially when one of the them was given a contract extension after having an appalling season. Something not right about that. In any normal football club, the DoF would have had the sack years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Saints Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 McCarthy should be our number 1. Superb 2 seasons ago and harshly dropped last seqskn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 I’ve just watched MOTD and the was nothing that Gunn could have done about any of those goals. They were hammered past him at close range. Some of you have unrealistic expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 I’ve just watched MOTD and the was nothing that Gunn could have done about any of those goals. They were hammered past him at close range. Some of you have unrealistic expectations. Seriously? He should have saved the 3rd, and a better keeper would have kept out the 1st. I'm with you on the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 Seriously? He should have saved the 3rd, and a better keeper would have kept out the 1st. I'm with you on the 2nd. That's how I saw it. At the match it appeared the first squirmed through him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 We appear to be very good at making keepers worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 Perhaps Saints just need a much better goalkeeping coach? You know one who will improve them rather than what appears to have been happening with all 3 gradually getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 10 August, 2019 Share Posted 10 August, 2019 I've yet to see anything in Gunn to support the view that's he's as good a prospect as Les Reed believed he was ( "he must be good if he's on City's books" ). Admittedly I didn't see his debut at Chelsea where he was praised by some on here, but from the games I've seen he's looked pretty average overall. In the last two league games Huddersfield and today he's cost us. FF would have been crucified for these performances. not convinced either are better than Forster In the words of McEnroe, you cannot be serious... McCarthy on form is the safer option and should be back asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomosaint Posted 11 August, 2019 Share Posted 11 August, 2019 His debut at Chelsea was his best game for us, his shot stopping was excellent, he parried shots into safe areas and was very quick off his line that night but he’s been on a slippery slope ever since. Much like the 3 in front of him I feel he is prone to a howler or lapse in concentration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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