once_bitterne Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 13:30 Liverpool v West Ham (Sky Sports) 13:30 Southampton v Burnley* * Club agreement further to Burnley's possible participation in the UEFA Europa League the preceding Thursday 16:00 Arsenal v Man City (Sky Sports) What does that mean? They won't be showing two games at the one time so I'm not sure what they mean.
GGalpin Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 13:30 Liverpool v West Ham (Sky Sports) 13:30 Southampton v Burnley* * Club agreement further to Burnley's possible participation in the UEFA Europa League the preceding Thursday 16:00 Arsenal v Man City (Sky Sports) What does that mean? They won't be showing two games at the one time so I'm not sure what they mean. Won't be on telly but if Burnley go out the round before, it'll be at Saturday 3pm (I think).
Pamplemousse Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 Burnley game will be moved IF Burnley qualify for later qualifying rounds. They play Aberdeen at some point in the coming weeks. But it won't be on live TV.
once_bitterne Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 Won't be on telly but if Burnley go out the round before, it'll be at Saturday 3pm (I think). Yep, that's correct but I'm not sure what the relevance of putting that in an article and list of games that is do with tv fixtures.
benjii Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 The Burnley game has been moved. Whether or not they get through the Europa League, it is moved.
LeBenali Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 I read it that the Burnley game has been moved, whether or not they progress in Europe. For once a sensible move, as it would otherwise leave us in limbo until 9 days before the fixture was scheduled to take place.
jawillwill Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 I read it that the Burnley game has been moved, whether or not they progress in Europe. For once a sensible move, as it would otherwise leave us in limbo until 9 days before the fixture was scheduled to take place. Did you read that in the post above?
RobM Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 Did you read that in the post above? Probably here https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-07-06/fixture-changes-southampton-burnley-brighton-premier-league No mention of it being conditional and the Tickets site is selling them based on the Sunday date.
Lets B Avenue Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 Probably here https://southamptonfc.com/news/2018-07-06/fixture-changes-southampton-burnley-brighton-premier-league No mention of it being conditional and the Tickets site is selling them based on the Sunday date. Correct and it is shown as a Sunday game on the fixture list.
oldsarum Posted 6 July, 2018 Posted 6 July, 2018 Ffs. Picking my lad up from Heathrow on 11/8. Game now on Aug 12th so not a problem now surely
Super_Uwe Posted 7 July, 2018 Posted 7 July, 2018 Game now on Aug 12th so not a problem now surely Maybe not this time, but how many games will end up getting moved this season? I haven't had a season ticket for 12 years; maybe things have changed and season ticket holders in 2018 have nothing else better to do, so can just re-arrange their plans as and when the club tells them to?
Faz Posted 7 July, 2018 Posted 7 July, 2018 Maybe not this time, but how many games will end up getting moved this season? I haven't had a season ticket for 12 years; maybe things have changed and season ticket holders in 2018 have nothing else better to do, so can just re-arrange their plans as and when the club tells them to? It’’s been this way since 1992
Shroppie Posted 7 July, 2018 Posted 7 July, 2018 The Burnley game has been moved. Whether or not they get through the Europa League, it is moved.Which is good - far better than a late change. And I can get there Sunday but not Saturday. [emoji3] Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk
Charlie Wayman Posted 9 July, 2018 Posted 9 July, 2018 A ball has not been kicked and our first two home games already get moved to stupid unsociable times. The net consequence (for me) is that I will miss both and a season being looked forward to with relish has suddenly descended into the same old business as usual routine. So who loses most in the end, we fans or the club? It emphasises the complete contempt held for fans by those running the PL and their clubs and their all consuming subservience to TV companies. We might as well not be there at all.
JRM Posted 9 July, 2018 Posted 9 July, 2018 A ball has not been kicked and our first two home games already get moved to stupid unsociable times. The net consequence (for me) is that I will miss both and a season being looked forward to with relish has suddenly descended into the same old business as usual routine. So who loses most in the end, we fans or the club? It emphasises the complete contempt held for fans by those running the PL and their clubs and their all consuming subservience to TV companies. We might as well not be there at all. For the first two months of the season we've had one game moved for tv (Brighton) the rest remain as Saturday 3pm except for Burnley moved due to Europa league , that game moving comes as no surprise to us having been in the Europa league ourselves very recently. Our 2nd home game of the season is Leicester which is Saturday 3pm on a bank holiday weekend .
Lets B Avenue Posted 9 July, 2018 Posted 9 July, 2018 For the first two months of the season we've had one game moved for tv (Brighton) the rest remain as Saturday 3pm except for Burnley moved due to Europa league , that game moving comes as no surprise to us having been in the Europa league ourselves very recently. Our 2nd home game of the season is Leicester which is Saturday 3pm on a bank holiday weekend . He knows that. Its just more irrational whingeing from one of the biggest planks on here.
theplayer Posted 10 July, 2018 Posted 10 July, 2018 Booked a week in the sun to celebrate my Birthday. Flying out Monday 17th September. I thought there was a chance that the Brighton game may get moved to the Sunday, but never considered it would get moved to the Monday. Thank you sky, as inconsiderate as ever!
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 10 July, 2018 Posted 10 July, 2018 Its disgusting !!! Surely the PL and SKY should check with the posters of SWF to arrange KO changes
Saint Garrett Posted 10 July, 2018 Posted 10 July, 2018 A ball has not been kicked and our first two home games already get moved to stupid unsociable times. The net consequence (for me) is that I will miss both and a season being looked forward to with relish has suddenly descended into the same old business as usual routine. So who loses most in the end, we fans or the club? It emphasises the complete contempt held for fans by those running the PL and their clubs and their all consuming subservience to TV companies. We might as well not be there at all. Would have prefered Leicester to also get moved tbh, can't make that one...!
Noodles34 Posted 10 July, 2018 Posted 10 July, 2018 I do think that clubs need to have a look at their ST terms and conditions. This is an expensive product for most people and perhaps the fixtures should be released before the product is sold. This would enable the customer to see exactly what he/she/Tranny is buying, which is surely a matter of principle. It then should be stated that if a game is moved from that date he/she/tranny is entitled to a pro rata credit (which could be used against cup games or next seasons ST). Given the amount of money in football. mostly going into players/clubs pockets, it is about time the fan was given a fairer deal. As it is, you could buy a ST and miss half the games. It should be a contract of sale and you do wonder if there is a case for claims of 'not fit for purpose' (like our last two seasons playing style) i.e the purpose being that you are intending to go to the games advertised on the given dates.
RobM Posted 10 July, 2018 Posted 10 July, 2018 I do think that clubs need to have a look at their ST terms and conditions. This is an expensive product for most people and perhaps the fixtures should be released before the product is sold. This would enable the customer to see exactly what he/she/Tranny is buying, which is surely a matter of principle. It then should be stated that if a game is moved from that date he/she/tranny is entitled to a pro rata credit (which could be used against cup games or next seasons ST). Given the amount of money in football. mostly going into players/clubs pockets, it is about time the fan was given a fairer deal. As it is, you could buy a ST and miss half the games. It should be a contract of sale and you do wonder if there is a case for claims of 'not fit for purpose' (like our last two seasons playing style) i.e the purpose being that you are intending to go to the games advertised on the given dates. Why would a football club prioritise the wishes of a customer who brings in no more than 10-20% of their income (if that), over a different income source where the vast, vast majority of their money comes from? This isn't new news, it's a fact of modern English football, so expecting our personal schedules to be factored into match scheduling, when we count for a very small part of a clubs income, is akin to expecting Bank Holidays to be arranged around us. If Sky or BT want a game changed and it's possible to do so, it's being changed. If we as ST-buying fans don't like it, don't buy a ST. It's a choice.
suewhistle Posted 10 July, 2018 Posted 10 July, 2018 Why would a football club prioritise the wishes of a customer who brings in no more than 10-20% of their income (if that), over a different income source where the vast, vast majority of their money comes from? OK, in that case they should be able to afford a refund to anybody whose season ticket hasn't been used on a changed date. They have the information, and if somebody else manages to use it there would be no refund.
Noodles34 Posted 11 July, 2018 Posted 11 July, 2018 Why would a football club prioritise the wishes of a customer who brings in no more than 10-20% of their income (if that), over a different income source where the vast, vast majority of their money comes from? This isn't new news, it's a fact of modern English football, so expecting our personal schedules to be factored into match scheduling, when we count for a very small part of a clubs income, is akin to expecting Bank Holidays to be arranged around us. If Sky or BT want a game changed and it's possible to do so, it's being changed. If we as ST-buying fans don't like it, don't buy a ST. It's a choice. yeah, just toe the line mate, no one ever achieved any change with your stance.
CB Fry Posted 11 July, 2018 Posted 11 July, 2018 yeah, just toe the line mate, no one ever achieved any change with your stance.You go for it, Rosa Parks.
Noodles34 Posted 17 July, 2018 Posted 17 July, 2018 You go for it, Rosa Parks. Brilliant! Well said, how very intelligent of you.
The9 Posted 17 July, 2018 Posted 17 July, 2018 yeah, just toe the line mate, no one ever achieved any change with your stance. Are you saying there was a period when there weren't any Season Ticket holders then? Because as far as I can tell people having STs and a massive period of change in English football seem to have gone together since about 1990...
suewhistle Posted 18 July, 2018 Posted 18 July, 2018 True, but when did Friday night and Monday night games get introduced? When did the very late changes get introduced, which make it particularly difficult for away fans with pre-booked transport? Nobody has addressed the point I suggested that, if we as fans are so unimportant financially, we should be recompensed if our tickets are not used for rearranged games. There is a benefit to all clubs from being on TV: why should it be the fans who are disadvantaged by the arrangement. As for the attempts to put people down when they get annoyed or raise this issue, I find it a bit sad, but then I find certain people upthread a bit sad anyway - no names, no pack drill - but the sort that are always posting sarcastic, negative comments. We all know who they are.
Give it to Ron Posted 18 July, 2018 Posted 18 July, 2018 Well Friday night games have been played for years - wasnt the Liverpool game at The Dell on a Friday night when Wallace get the brilliant overhead kick? Anyone who buys a season ticket expecting games to be 3pm on a Saturday and no changes due to Sky/BT needs a lobotomy.
Faz Posted 18 July, 2018 Posted 18 July, 2018 True, but when did Friday night and Monday night games get introduced? When did the very late changes get introduced, which make it particularly difficult for away fans with pre-booked transport? Nobody has addressed the point I suggested that, if we as fans are so unimportant financially, we should be recompensed if our tickets are not used for rearranged games. There is a benefit to all clubs from being on TV: why should it be the fans who are disadvantaged by the arrangement. As for the attempts to put people down when they get annoyed or raise this issue, I find it a bit sad, but then I find certain people upthread a bit sad anyway - no names, no pack drill - but the sort that are always posting sarcastic, negative comments. We all know who they are. Whilst I sympathise, I do think it's fair to point out that this has been the way for some considerable time, and if we choose to buy a season ticket, then we know there is the possibility of schedule changes.
suewhistle Posted 18 July, 2018 Posted 18 July, 2018 Well Friday night games have been played for years - wasnt the Liverpool game at The Dell on a Friday night when Wallace get the brilliant overhead kick? Anyone who buys a season ticket expecting games to be 3pm on a Saturday and no changes due to Sky/BT needs a lobotomy. Sigh. I don't think anybody here doesn't expect games to be moved. I was at that game, but it's an irrelevance. What we should be aware of is the slow process of Sky etc. pushing at the limits. From Fridays, now various times on a Saturday, various times on a Sunday, Monday night, with often changes done at short notice. It's for their convenience not ours; they gain, we don't. I've got a season ticket, but quite a few people have mentioned on here that they've given theirs up, with one of the reasons given the inability to get to games. How many games would you have to miss before any one of you gave up theirs?
Give it to Ron Posted 18 July, 2018 Posted 18 July, 2018 Well the difference is 3 games - I buy mine because I like the people I go with - I like where I am in the ground - not too many t0ssers around me. More than enough to renew even though I know I will miss some.
Noodles34 Posted 18 July, 2018 Posted 18 July, 2018 Are you saying there was a period when there weren't any Season Ticket holders then? Because as far as I can tell people having STs and a massive period of change in English football seem to have gone together since about 1990... Im not entirely sure what you mean by that Scott?
Noodles34 Posted 18 July, 2018 Posted 18 July, 2018 Sigh. I don't think anybody here doesn't expect games to be moved. I was at that game, but it's an irrelevance. What we should be aware of is the slow process of Sky etc. pushing at the limits. From Fridays, now various times on a Saturday, various times on a Sunday, Monday night, with often changes done at short notice. It's for their convenience not ours; they gain, we don't. I've got a season ticket, but quite a few people have mentioned on here that they've given theirs up, with one of the reasons given the inability to get to games. How many games would you have to miss before any one of you gave up theirs? And that's the point. We know games are going to be moved and it's nit much to ask that fans can be credited if they can not make a rearranged game. There's enough money awash in the game to make this more than feasible. A fairer deal for fans, too much to ask?
whelk Posted 19 July, 2018 Posted 19 July, 2018 Well Friday night games have been played for years - wasnt the Liverpool game at The Dell on a Friday night when Wallace get the brilliant overhead kick? Anyone who buys a season ticket expecting games to be 3pm on a Saturday and no changes due to Sky/BT needs a lobotomy. Will continue every year with posters continually gasping at games being moved. The huge tv contracts naturally leads to more games and hey the number of games are listed and so their entitlement as per contract. Whilst people don’t like it it is comical how it rears it’s head every time a game is moved. If you wanted 3pm games we should’ve never sacked Pellegrino.
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