SuperSAINT Posted 10 August, 2021 Share Posted 10 August, 2021 30 minutes ago, Badger said: Don't think Nat Phiilips is known for pace thought, rather like Vestergaard is a bit slow out of the blocks. I’d take Phillips if Vest left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 (edited) Good that the opening offer is pretty close to what we’d accept. Edited 11 August, 2021 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 At least £20m for me, I think we should be able to turn a profit with him. Let's see though, a bidding war would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 2 minutes ago, nta786 said: At least £20m for me The article says... "The bid has not yet been accepted by Southampton, who are believed to be holding out for a deal worth up to £18 million." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintrich Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 £15m guaranteed with £3m in add ons will get the deal done I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 4 minutes ago, saintrich said: £15m guaranteed with £3m in add ons will get the deal done I reckon. Yes, notice it says current bid is "up to £15m", which suggests it's not £15m up front, only with the add ons. So as you say reckon we will hold out for £15m before any add ons and that'll probably do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 So haven’t really seen us linked with any centre half’s but I would imagine they will want someone with a bit of experience. I know the resale value is key so who is likely to be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Sell all day long. We'll miss his passing out of the back more than we will his defending. Considering he's got a year left on his deal and wasn't going to sign a new deal, to end up being able to replace him with someone of not far off the same quality and have that player for the next 4 - 5 years is a good move for us. The emergence of Salisu has helped this to happen too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 I've posted it before but our defence was awful last year. Once we get a replacement in I think it would be difficult for the defence as a whole to concede more goals. Sell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahnsouff Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 First bid was 13m + 2m addons apparently, so do you think 15m + 3m addons would do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 I’d like to think we will also start moving on a bid for his replacement. Wonder who we will be linked with…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 11 minutes ago, dahnsouff said: First bid was 13m + 2m addons apparently, so do you think 15m + 3m addons would do it? all day long, we would have to accept that.....before they realise he isnt very good 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neef Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 The Nat Phillips rumours make a lot of sense now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 6 minutes ago, EBS1980 said: I’d like to think we will also start moving on a bid for his replacement. Wonder who we will be linked with…. Simeu to get promoted from the U23’s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahnsouff Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 minute ago, beatlesaint said: all day long, we would have to accept that.....before they realise he isnt very good 🤣 Hey! I am stalking Leicester fan so don't say that,we prefer to find out in our own time 😃 I suspect that along with Fofana injury, we may have an issue with Evans, so are looking for experience too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Didn't realise Nat Phillips was 24, it'd be pretty embarrassing signing him for £15m off the back of 15 alright games for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 minute ago, dahnsouff said: Hey! I am stalking Leicester fan so don't say that,we prefer to find out in our own time 😃 I suspect that along with Fofana injury, we may have an issue with Evans, so are looking for experience too I'm sure he will be much better with a decent partner instead of Bednerek 😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahnsouff Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Just now, beatlesaint said: I'm sure he will be much better with a decent partner instead of Bednerek 😉 Cheers, good luck for the season ahead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 24 minutes ago, Lallana's Left Peg said: Sell all day long. We'll miss his passing out of the back more than we will his defending. Considering he's got a year left on his deal and wasn't going to sign a new deal, to end up being able to replace him with someone of not far off the same quality and have that player for the next 4 - 5 years is a good move for us. The emergence of Salisu has helped this to happen too. This. Our defence was woeful last season and going again with the same CB's makes no sense. Re the balls from the back, no team should have to rely on a CB to be their playmaker in chief. Hopefully our midfield will step up and do midfielders should do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Just now, dahnsouff said: Cheers, good luck for the season ahead! you too 🙂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waylander Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Replace him with Tarkowski? He is in the last year of his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 minute ago, waylander said: Replace him with Tarkowski? He is in the last year of his contract. Ethan Ampadu would make more sense. Could also provide cover for Romeu if injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said: Ethan Ampadu would make more sense. Could also provide cover for Romeu if injured. Hope not, he was fucking useless at Sheff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca155 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 6 minutes ago, dahnsouff said: Hey! I am stalking Leicester fan so don't say that,we prefer to find out in our own time 😃 I suspect that along with Fofana injury, we may have an issue with Evans, so are looking for experience too Probably as good as you'll get at short notice and he'll slot straight in. I doubt he'll be quality enough for you to challenge top 4, but he isn't without skills. I'd prefer he'd stayed, but we'll cope and the money will help. Good luck, shove the ESL idea down their throats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 3 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Ethan Ampadu would make more sense. Could also provide cover for Romeu if injured. Def a player who can play both positions. Depends what profile we want. For me, we still need somebody who can head the ball unless I want a panic attack every time a cross comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 3 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Hope not, he was fucking useless at Sheff. Sheff Utd were useless... but that doesn't mean he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Just now, Matthew Le God said: Sheff Utd were useless... but that doesn't mean he was. No, the fact that he was means he was. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee On Solent Saint Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 3 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: No, the fact that he was means he was. What? Agreed. Wouldn't be a good move in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Hope not, he was fucking useless at Sheff. https://www.sheffieldunited.news/news/paul-heckingbottom-praises-sheffield-united-loanee-ethan-ampadu/?amp Interesting for context. Edited 11 August, 2021 by SuperSAINT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Matty 76 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SuperSAINT said: https://www.sheffieldunited.news/news/paul-heckingbottom-praises-sheffield-united-loanee-ethan-ampadu/?amp Interesting for context. https://www.s24su.com/forum/threads/whats-happened-with-ampadu.87132/ Their forum weren't overwhelmingly positive about him. A previously promising young player at current low stock is a market I like us working within, but I'd be disappointed after his last two years. I'd prefer us to be looking at Adarabioyo from the relegated clubs personally. Edited 11 August, 2021 by Saint Matty 76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 20 hours ago, DT said: What he does provide is physical muscle and we need that in the team. Were way too lightweight last season. this. It worries me greatly how lightweight we are at set pieces. In his first season he got under the ball terribly on crosses, but improved greatly and in the end was strong in the air. We lack defensive headers of the ball. Maybe that why we played offside on every free kick. Not sure y heart can stand us doing that again this season. We will miss his ability on the ball too. Not just the long balls, but he kept possession very well. Stepping inside or upfield with the ball brilliantly. He was so composed. Obviously he was no VVD. He was so slow its not true. But the lack of pace is something that needed to covered by his partner...but Bednarek is slow also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWar Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Sell sell sell! Very obvious to get rid imo at this stage. £20m would be nice but I'd take £15m personally. Then spend big on the replacement, take the money, add a bit from the left over Ings money if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwbu Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Ethan Ampadu is still only 20, there’s definitely a player there and someone i’d definitely be happy with us taking a punt on if the price is right. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 It’s all very well saying take the money, and I think the club will, but it all depends who we get in as a replacement and are they better than what we have. The club have done alright this summer in bringing in bodies quickly, but there’s an element of running just to try and stand still. I feel the same with Vestergaard and struggle to believe we’ll get someone equal or better to him in if he goes. Plus we’ve got a pretty young team, he adds some much needed experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwertyell Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 34 minutes ago, Neef said: The Nat Phillips rumours make a lot of sense now. Do they, though? Replacing one painfully slow CB who's good in the air with another - but one who's worse on the ball - doesn't make much sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 47 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Ethan Ampadu would make more sense. Could also provide cover for Romeu if injured. Shite player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Saint Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 hour ago, dahnsouff said: Hey! I am stalking Leicester fan so don't say that,we prefer to find out in our own time 😃 I suspect that along with Fofana injury, we may have an issue with Evans, so are looking for experience too You do realise that if you buy him, you'll have 50% of the defence that shipped a certain number of goals against you, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 hour ago, northam soul said: So haven’t really seen us linked with any centre half’s but I would imagine they will want someone with a bit of experience. I know the resale value is key so who is likely to be available. How about David Luiz on a free. Currently without a club lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevy777_x Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Sell him but replace him with a quality center back, someone fast and strong. I don t want someone else who is painfully slow. Let s get this recruitment right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWade Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 He's as good as gone now, but I'm not too fussed about this one. He's replaceable and in his time here only really stood out for a few months. If he's got zero interest in signing a new deal then let him leave, we'll be okay without him. (In the sense that he's not the type of player that's going to lead to us going down if he leaves!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 4 minutes ago, Streaky said: How about David Luiz on a free. Currently without a club lol Would be a good shout as a defensive midfielder.....centreback...nope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Don't think we should sell for less than £20mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans gruber Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 hour ago, Saint Matty 76 said: Hope not, he was fucking useless at Sheff. I think there is a good footballer in there somewhere, if the price is right I would certainly take a punt on Ampadu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellman Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 10 minutes ago, skintsaint said: Would be a good shout as a defensive midfielder.....centreback...nope! I wouldn't touch him with a barge pole, accident prone, slow as Vest and as a result gives away free kicks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toussaint Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 1 hour ago, dahnsouff said: Hey! I am stalking Leicester fan so don't say that,we prefer to find out in our own time 😃 I suspect that along with Fofana injury, we may have an issue with Evans, so are looking for experience too Don't read too much into it, "we" don't like many of our players on this forum by all accounts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 7 minutes ago, aintforever said: Don't think we should sell for less than £20mill. He has one year left on his contract. 15 with add ons I suspect will be our lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 5 minutes ago, aintforever said: Don't think we should sell for less than £20mill. As with Ings, as a company, we have to sell if he ain't signing a new deal. We can't let a £18m asset walk for free. Financial suicide. Much rather have the £18m now to use to sign his replacement than keep him for a season and then have £0 to use to replace. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS1980 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 What about Kabak? Available for under £10M 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leon0286 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Leicester fan here.... So just how 'Bad' is big Jannik? I think our interest, is explained by a few factors really, and we were also looking at him last summer. The club likes the fact he has experience playing in a back 3, as was the case with Denmark, and it's more than likely that Schmeichel has also put in a good word about his character, and the fact he looked like a leader back there during the Euros. I do worry about his pace, it certainly looks his biggest weakness. But with Soyuncu and Fofana (Albeit probably next season), I'm hopeful they can play the deeper role sweeping up behind and allowing Vestergaard to come out with the ball, or play either side of him when we play a back 3. I'm well aware that both he and Bertrand made up a side that had one of the worst defences in the league last season, but the reality is, with a fully fit squad, Vestergaard will be 4th choice, whilst Bertrand has been bought in while James Justin recovers from injury to avoid putting too much pressure on young Luke Thomas. I'd also suggest, that having a better quality of player around him, will allow him to carry the ball out more often, which seems to be the biggest strength of his, along with his size, that we like. I'd also add that I have been extremely impressed with Bertrand this pre season. When we signed him, I feared we would be getting a player who was simply looking for a final big contract....But his attitude has been top class, constantly looking like a leader in the team too, talking all the young lads through games pre-season, and surprisingly has been bombing on down that left hand side for 90 minutes, something I didn't think he would be capable of. His set piece delivery looks exceptional too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted 11 August, 2021 Share Posted 11 August, 2021 Just now, leon0286 said: Leicester fan here.... So just how 'Bad' is big Jannik? I think our interest, is explained by a few factors really, and we were also looking at him last summer. The club likes the fact he has experience playing in a back 3, as was the case with Denmark, and it's more than likely that Schmeichel has also put in a good word about his character, and the fact he looked like a leader back there during the Euros. I do worry about his pace, it certainly looks his biggest weakness. But with Soyuncu and Fofana (Albeit probably next season), I'm hopeful they can play the deeper role sweeping up behind and allowing Vestergaard to come out with the ball, or play either side of him when we play a back 3. I'm well aware that both he and Bertrand made up a side that had one of the worst defences in the league last season, but the reality is, with a fully fit squad, Vestergaard will be 4th choice, whilst Bertrand has been bought in while James Justin recovers from injury to avoid putting too much pressure on young Luke Thomas. I'd also suggest, that having a better quality of player around him, will allow him to carry the ball out more often, which seems to be the biggest strength of his, along with his size, that we like. I'd also add that I have been extremely impressed with Bertrand this pre season. When we signed him, I feared we would be getting a player who was simply looking for a final big contract....But his attitude has been top class, constantly looking like a leader in the team too, talking all the young lads through games pre-season, and surprisingly has been bombing on down that left hand side for 90 minutes, something I didn't think he would be capable of. His set piece delivery looks exceptional too. this is not sour grapes, but he was terrible for us - until last season Last season, he looked very good mostly, but that was against us having a disgraceful season in keeping the ball out. Our other CBs are pretty crap BTW. He is excellent at spraying a ball out from the back to either wing - quater back style. That will be a big miss. As a squad player, you could do a lot worse I guess given the position in the table you are now operating in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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