hughieslastminutegoal Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Was stood by the players entrance after the game, whilst all the protests were going on, when this man, who looked like Andrew Cowan, came up to me and SimonRichards and said "Lowe wasnt even here today and Wilde had left 15 mins before the end of the game. Thats the type of people you have here" I'm as anti-Lowe as anyone, but even I can see the "type of people" bit is aimed at people who shout ant-lowe and anti-wilde stuff when they aren't there to hear it. I think he might just be calling these fans stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm as anti-Lowe as anyone, but even I can see the "type of people" bit is aimed at people who shout ant-lowe and anti-wilde stuff when they aren't there to hear it. I think he might just be calling these fans stupid. I think you may have this round the wrong way, judging from someone who was there and spoke to me at length at the weekend, hence the point of the thread and some of the "where does that leave us now" issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I think you may have this round the wrong way, judging from someone who was there and spoke to me at length at the weekend, hence the point of the thread and some of the "where does that leave us now" issues Then the starting post should have made that clear, shouldn't it, rather than leave it to the rest of us to interpret what "Andrew Cowan" might have meant? The bald quote can be taken either way. And as Cowan is Lowe's mate, and always seems the height of discretion, and if it was obvious he was distancing himself from Lowe, the starting post should have added that bit of info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm as anti-Lowe as anyone, but even I can see the "type of people" bit is aimed at people who shout ant-lowe and anti-wilde stuff when they aren't there to hear it. I think he might just be calling these fans stupid. dont agree, how or why would all those fans even have known they werent there. They, like me expected at least one of them to be there, for the "club they care so much for" The way in which he said it was aimed at RL and MW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Then the starting post should have made that clear, shouldn't it, rather than leave it to the rest of us to interpret what "Andrew Cowan" might have meant? The bald quote can be taken either way. And as Cowan is Lowe's mate, and always seems the height of discretion, and if it was obvious he was distancing himself from Lowe, the starting post should have added that bit of info. To be fair i didnt take it any other way other than he was snipping at RL and MW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sorry obvious to me Cowen was having a go at the shouting fans - believe its wishful thinking to think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sorry obvious to me Cowen was having a go at the shouting fans - believe its wishful thinking to think otherwise. For that to be true would require "those type of people" to be aware that RL was missing and MW had left early. That information only became generally available after the match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 For that to be true would require "those type of people" to be aware that RL was missing and MW had left early. That information only became generally available after the match. A point I made earlier. It's not a paper column, there isnt a "RUPERT LOWE IS AWAY" notice above each turnstile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sorry obvious to me Cowen was having a go at the shouting fans - believe its wishful thinking to think otherwise. Where is the rest of your post ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sorry obvious to me Cowen was having a go at the shouting fans - believe its wishful thinking to think otherwise. thats how I took it, well not having a go but pointing out how pointless it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I'm pretty sure you can say "ass" on here OBS. As "Lowe" is a four letter word, thanks for letting us still use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Ron (Weston Saint) is a great bloke and deservedly well respected but there are times when people like him have to enter the fray and get their hands dirty. We have now reached the lowest nadir in our history - fans have never fought each other before and yet some on here are arguing semantics. We either collectively "do " something or we implode but now is not the time for "after you Claude platitudes" or friggin sermons from Frank Cousins. I am sorry but I am angry. I can't get rid of Lowe more's the pity but the time for analysing every petty little point on a forum is now gone. Every true fan of SFC needs to look at themselves and say "what or how am I going to do something to save this club". If you can't be bothered then perhaps you will deserve what you will ultimately get, but it is time for those who up to now have chosen not to stick their heads above a parapet to perhaps stand up and be counted. Sorry Ron and FC and anyone else out there of a weak disposition but let's get real, lets get united and let's stop the "I am the voice of reason" posturing. Couldnt agree more Duncan. People know my line so I'll not over explain myself again but... We must unite under a simple aim - removal of this board by selling the club. That may come in stages I grant you eg Crouch in at first etc. But enough is enough. The system of running our club has failed for too long due to egos and lack of unity. If the board are unable to declare the Club is for sale then I believe we should. We simply cannot sit on a fence any longer and roll over thinking confirmed failures will sort out the problem, they wont. Let's sell this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 As "Lowe" is a four letter word, thanks for letting us still use it. Won't it be nice when we don't have to any more though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 (edited) Duncan, Ron, I was in Block 5 on Sat when the protests/fighting kicked off. Probably more than 99% of the crowd weren't involved and most seemed more interested in the football. When the second goal went in, quite a few walked out. A bit of noise/aggravation doesn't mean there is a majority waiting for a revolution. A lot, me included would like to see Lowe out, but a lot more would like to see the coaching staff and ultimately the players show some level of basic competence. Watching coaching staff, week after week, ignoring the importance of width and playing players on the wrong side is peeing me off a bloody sight more than Rupert Lowe, because that is why we are not winning matches. Edited 19 January, 2009 by derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Ron (Weston Saint) is a great bloke and deservedly well respected but there are times when people like him have to enter the fray and get their hands dirty. We have now reached the lowest nadir in our history - fans have never fought each other before and yet some on here are arguing semantics. We either collectively "do " something or we implode but now is not the time for "after you Claude platitudes" or friggin sermons from Frank Cousins. I am sorry but I am angry. I can't get rid of Lowe more's the pity but the time for analysing every petty little point on a forum is now gone. Every true fan of SFC needs to look at themselves and say "what or how am I going to do something to save this club". If you can't be bothered then perhaps you will deserve what you will ultimately get, but it is time for those who up to now have chosen not to stick their heads above a parapet to perhaps stand up and be counted. Sorry Ron and FC and anyone else out there of a weak disposition but let's get real, lets get united and let's stop the "I am the voice of reason" posturing. It really is time for all us supporters to unite, even those still siting on the fence, it really is time to take off the rose tinted specs and accept that things must change. The directors (all of them) cannot see the need, but we can and must try everything in our power to sort the club out. There is no time for pacifists its all out war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 It really is time for all us supporters to unite, even those still siting on the fence, it really is time to take off the rose tinted specs and accept that things must change. The directors (all of them) cannot see the need, but we can and must try everything in our power to sort the club out. There is no time for pacifists its all out war Great! You lead then and the Army can move to Cheshire, that'll fix him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Ron (Weston Saint) is a great bloke and deservedly well respected but there are times when people like him have to enter the fray and get their hands dirty. We have now reached the lowest nadir in our history - fans have never fought each other before and yet some on here are arguing semantics. We either collectively "do " something or we implode but now is not the time for "after you Claude platitudes" or friggin sermons from Frank Cousins. I am sorry but I am angry. I can't get rid of Lowe more's the pity but the time for analysing every petty little point on a forum is now gone. Every true fan of SFC needs to look at themselves and say "what or how am I going to do something to save this club". If you can't be bothered then perhaps you will deserve what you will ultimately get, but it is time for those who up to now have chosen not to stick their heads above a parapet to perhaps stand up and be counted. Sorry Ron and FC and anyone else out there of a weak disposition but let's get real, lets get united and let's stop the "I am the voice of reason" posturing. HOw to win over the hearts and minds of fellow fans.... I think not Duncan and you have let yourself down with this sh!te... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sorry obvious to me Cowen was having a go at the shouting fans - believe its wishful thinking to think otherwise. For that to be true would require "those type of people" to be aware that RL was missing and MW had left early. That information only became generally available after the match. exactly! The way in which he said it also did not appear to be against the fans..afterall i was one of them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 FWIW and to give a comedy value to the days gloom. My mate who was sitting close to the Directors Box saw Fulthorpe & the other one in Hostility Reception. Apparently Fulof button-holed Cowan before the game and said - just you wait until Wednesday, we'll be in charge then.... No proof at my side ITK-wise, but it came back in a really depressing phone call after the game Totally beleivable till the word Wednesday instead of Friday cropped up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 HOw to win over the hearts and minds of fellow fans.... I think not Duncan and you have let yourself down with this sh!te... Sorry FC, have agreed with you a lot on here but you have totally misread the vast majority of fan opinion on this one. Ron has posted an excellent platform for us to build on, as has the Funeral idea and those of CB Fry and FF is seeking ways of driving that forward. The club has been dying for some time but the patient really slipped onto the life support machine on Saturday and the family are very restless. Surgeons Wilde and Lowe have butchered the patient with bodged surgery too many times to be trustworthy in shape or form. There was no need for what happened in the summer. Brian Stock was picked up for very little for Doncaster and even Kightly from non-league for Wolves. A sensible strategy would have been having a manager who knows CCC/Leagues 1, 2 & BSP and could find gems there, even Peterbrough have done it Frank. Lowe chose this option because it was his dream - well, it's a nightmare in reality. Sorry Mike Wilde, you and Rupert sniped at Pearson and Crouch via Radio Solent and the media when we were under the pump in April, you reap what you sow. Come and join the fans FC, you've got some good ideas so let's unite as a fanbase and achieve the change we really want this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sorry FC, have agreed with you a lot on here but you have totally misread the vast majority of fan opinion on this one. Ron has posted an excellent platform for us to build on, as has the Funeral idea and those of CB Fry and FF is seeking ways of driving that forward. The club has been dying for some time but the patient really slipped onto the life support machine on Saturday and the family are very restless. Surgeons Wilde and Lowe have butchered the patient with bodged surgery too many times to be trustworthy in shape or form. There was no need for what happened in the summer. Brian Stock was picked up for very little for Doncaster and even Kightly from non-league for Wolves. A sensible strategy would have been having a manager who knows CCC/Leagues 1, 2 & BSP and could find gems there, even Peterbrough have done it Frank. Lowe chose this option because it was his dream - well, it's a nightmare in reality. Sorry Mike Wilde, you and Rupert sniped at Pearson and Crouch via Radio Solent and the media when we were under the pump in April, you reap what you sow. Come and join the fans FC, you've got some good ideas so let's unite as a fanbase and achieve the change we really want this time. Saint 1977 Thanks for the post - I have to admit tobeing completely ost on all this as I am not against change, far from it, its clear that what we have is failing right now. All I have ever been supportive of is that I liked the 'idea' of what we had tried, but this it seems is enough to get on the wrong side of the 'law'. In addition, it now seems that simply posting anything that is at odds with the vocal majority and suddenly its a huge offensive as the big guns are rolled out to try and give you a kicking - Jeex I cant believe Duncan has sunk to that depth. I know he has always been pro Crouch of late, argues his pOV intelligently and with conviction, and i have always RESPECTED his opinion, which is why I think his recent outbursts do him no service. I have my opinion and I am entitled to it, I dont expect everyone to agree or even anyone to agree, but recently most have simply FAILED to understand the difference between 'support' and 'simply not hating everything someone has done' - Lowe deserves everything he gets for the mistakes he has made and is responsible for - I have merely tried to point out he should not be hated for things beyond his control thats simple and logical in my book. I also tried to discuss that there is logic in some of teh approaches taken, and that failure to implement correctly, does not invalidate the idea completely...Where does that suggest I would not welcome change for the better? I also dont agree that Crouch is somehow innocent of all the crap we are in and is the replacemnet we should all be after... sorry just my opinion, yet this also seems to have wound up Duncan... I am then informed that this mystery person is 'fed up' with disention.. And then I am accused of taking this all to seriously? Makes me laugh my head off at the idiocy of it all. Its a fan forum FFS and the momemt we believe its more than that and wanting to silence disent or opinion that 'apparantly goes against the grain' it loses its credibilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowballs2 Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sometimes in life FC when you are in the minority you have to ask yourself why so few share your view. Is it because you are over even handed like some on here, prepared through fear of breeding to disagree with the opinions of the toff?. Or is it because you are right in your personalanalysis of who is right and who is wrong. Pareto got it right with his 80--20 view. Therefore its the majority who will always carry the day. Me I have NEVER hidden the fact that I consider Lowe to be the absolute ruination of our club, and like you will not have my mind changed by any other poster on here. Its personal with me, I truly dislike the red faced grinning always righ Cheshire cat that Lowe appears as to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 Sometimes in life FC when you are in the minority you have to ask yourself why so few share your view. Is it because you are over even handed like some on here, prepared through fear of breeding to disagree with the opinions of the toff?. Or is it because you are right in your personalanalysis of who is right and who is wrong. Pareto got it right with his 80--20 view. Therefore its the majority who will always carry the day. Me I have NEVER hidden the fact that I consider Lowe to be the absolute ruination of our club, and like you will not have my mind changed by any other poster on here. Its personal with me, I truly dislike the red faced grinning always righ Cheshire cat that Lowe appears as to me That fair enough, you have your opinion and are entitled to it. Should that stop us debating the issue? I have no intention of trying to convert fans...it would be impossible, but that does not mean i cant defend my own opinion...especially if it is often misinterpreted. my approach has always been to assess the actions, not personalities. I cant argue against the FACT that during Lowe's tenure the proportion of strange,, odd and abysmal decisons have gone up versus those of common sense - to the point where he has alienated so many... but I really dont care about LOwe, but DO feel its important to recognise positives where there are some, even if ultimately things dont work - and I would certainly not advocate some of the vitriol - it is football afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 (edited) Saint 1977 Thanks for the post - I have to admit tobeing completely ost on all this as I am not against change, far from it, its clear that what we have is failing right now. All I have ever been supportive of is that I liked the 'idea' of what we had tried, but this it seems is enough to get on the wrong side of the 'law'. In addition, it now seems that simply posting anything that is at odds with the vocal majority and suddenly its a huge offensive as the big guns are rolled out to try and give you a kicking - Jeex I cant believe Duncan has sunk to that depth. I know he has always been pro Crouch of late, argues his pOV intelligently and with conviction, and i have always RESPECTED his opinion, which is why I think his recent outbursts do him no service. I have my opinion and I am entitled to it, I dont expect everyone to agree or even anyone to agree, but recently most have simply FAILED to understand the difference between 'support' and 'simply not hating everything someone has done' - Lowe deserves everything he gets for the mistakes he has made and is responsible for - I have merely tried to point out he should not be hated for things beyond his control thats simple and logical in my book. I also tried to discuss that there is logic in some of teh approaches taken, and that failure to implement correctly, does not invalidate the idea completely...Where does that suggest I would not welcome change for the better? I also dont agree that Crouch is somehow innocent of all the crap we are in and is the replacemnet we should all be after... sorry just my opinion, yet this also seems to have wound up Duncan... I am then informed that this mystery person is 'fed up' with disention.. And then I am accused of taking this all to seriously? Makes me laugh my head off at the idiocy of it all. Its a fan forum FFS and the momemt we believe its more than that and wanting to silence disent or opinion that 'apparantly goes against the grain' it loses its credibilty. No worries FC and you still have my respect as a poster buddy. I don't have as much faith as Duncan does in Crouch either and to rely on him alone with the trainset wouldn't be smart, Wilde was pledging all sorts in 2006 after all. However, if there's one thing Crouch will do and that's be proactive and gets bums into gear so I can see why some hopes are attached to him. Rupert's last stand was the AGM but judging by Cowen's recent comments Lowe has run out of ideas. Mike is hiding and doesn't seem to know whether to keep with Rupert or run with Leon again. Not satisfactory all-round. There's still plenty of room for differing opinions and debate on here but I think 99% of us, you included, have the same goal so we need to get everyone as united as we can on that, even if we can't totally agree on the methodology quite yet. So no "laws" broken as far as I see! Whilst all of this goes on, a manager and a decent man is cruelly exposed as being out of his depth, that role needs a strong man and JP just ain't it. Our kids (well Lallana & Mills starting and McLaggon and Gobern as impact subs. James looks good on the ball but is a RM not a RB) have shown some good moments in patches but nowhere near enough to stay up or to make much impact in League 1 next season. The big earners could still have gone but replaced with lower league prospects with incentivised contracts. I like the idea too Frank but this isn't the late 80s bunch with Case to mentor them or Boro's crop under McClaren, these are young players that are very raw of significantly varying abilities. It would also help them if we played them in position! You can still push the cream of the crop through as Saints have always done but in stages and with the right support. I've looked at the income figures for League 1 Vs the CCC and it's very worrying. The academy would be gone, we can't sustain that kind of overhead in League 1, there's no Mandaric at Leicester funding it. It means even less exposure than we get now in the media. Plus by May there'll be nowt left to sell! Imagine also how much worse the disturbances at home games will get - they may get worse than Saturday if Wilde and Askham retreat into the bunker. How awful that would be. Edited 19 January, 2009 by saint1977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I think my only hope on all this Saint 1977 is that greed is the answer... I cant see how simply ousting Lowe through whatever means will solve the financial crisis, without Lowe selling shares, etc... NO one has indicated that so apart from perhaps a new manager who might be able to steady things on the footballing side (would have no problem with JP being involved at academy level) would it achieve anything else with Lowe still ****ing n from the outside and more bitterness and resentment building up. It why I suggested that greed of saving share value might be our best hop - this is only possible if we survive in the CCC and then build if Lowe and Wilde want to see any return on their sharevalue - but somewhere this became interpreted as FC supports Lowe and the status quo - Lowe luvvie, rants.. what can you do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonRichards Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 exactly! The way in which he said it also did not appear to be against the fans..afterall i was one of them I have been thinking about what Cowan said to us. And your right Mike. Why would he Say that about fans to us fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I have just received a phone call from someone who reads this forum and spoketo to Andrew Cowen after the game. What he said was directed at the the crowd but he was very frustrated at the time. The way the supporters turned and started fighting was a major shock to him and totally unexpected, hense the lack of police for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 19 January, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 January, 2009 I have just received a phone call from someone who reads this forum and spoketo to Andrew Cowen after the game. What he said was directed at the the crowd but he was very frustrated at the time. The way the supporters turned and started fighting was a major shock to him and totally unexpected, hense the lack of police for the game. sorry but i dont see that to be the case at all. The guy that spoke to us was clearly ******ed off with Lowe and Wilde for not being there and was basically saying that they dont give a ****e. Why would he aim "thats the type of people you have here" at the very type of person that was protesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 19 January, 2009 Share Posted 19 January, 2009 sorry but i dont see that to be the case at all. The guy that spoke to us was clearly ******ed off with Lowe and Wilde for not being there and was basically saying that they dont give a ****e. Why would he aim "thats the type of people you have here" at the very type of person that was protesting?Only reporting what I was told Mike. I have no reason to disbelieve what I was told. I expect he was pretty upset with Wilde doing a disappearing act but I did not ask that question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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