Maya Yoshida

[Heisenberg]

When the solution is Yoshida

 

[SaveloyMush]

When the solution is Yoshida

 

 

Named one of the players of, arguably, the best World Cup ever.

[red&white56]

When reading yet another one of Heisenberg's negative posts.

 

[Fatboy40]

So, third game in and still no start for the solid international World Cup playing Maya Yoshida, but continued starts for Hoedt.

 

I can't help but let my mind run away with me and start to consider all manner of wild conspiracy theories

[whelk]

The latest player to become better by not actually playing.....

 

Yeah but it is relative. He clearly was down the pecking order when we had good CBs. We haven’t now and he is better than the others although exclude Vest as too soon to claim after 2 games.

[whelk]

So, third game in and still no start for the solid international World Cup playing Maya Yoshida, but continued starts for Hoedt.

 

I can't help but let my mind run away with me and start to consider all manner of wild conspiracy theories

 

Not even the bench

[John Boy Saint]

Merrington said both Yoshida and Gabbi were being put through a fitness test Long before the team was announced.

[Fatboy40]

I don't think this forums software is modern enough to allow "mentions" of other users, however...

 

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?60250-Saints-2-2-Brighton-Reaction&p=2667022#post2667022

 

... with no evidence to counter it it's as valid a reason as any other.

 

Yoshi's a true pro, so we all know he's match fit by now, so there must a be a reason in Hughes head as to why he prefers Hoedt over him or is he be guided by above? (I'm not aware of Chinese culture but could Ji Sheng Gao be instigating this as Yoshi is Japanese?).

[Sheaf Saint]

I don't think this forums software is modern enough to allow "mentions" of other users, however...

 

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?60250-Saints-2-2-Brighton-Reaction&p=2667022#post2667022

 

... with no evidence to counter it it's as valid a reason as any other.

 

Yoshi's a true pro, so we all know he's match fit by now, so there must a be a reason in Hughes head as to why he prefers Hoedt over him or is he be guided by above? (I'm not aware of Chinese culture but could Ji Sheng Gao be instigating this as Yoshi is Japanese?).

 

Are you trying to claim that Yoshi is being left out because our owner is a racist?

[the saint in winchester]

I don't know the reason, but it's bizarre that Yoshida isn't in the starting 11. At the mildest, one can only conclude Hughes doesn't rate him.

[Fatboy40]

Are you trying to claim that Yoshi is being left out because our owner is a racist?

 

Just trying to rationalise why our World Cup playing international CB is somehow considered to be a worse choice than Hoedt of all people. I've no idea personally of how Chinese view the Japanese, however I've always assumed that it was more hate than love, and this is an interesting article but Wikipedia is not always accurate...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Japanese_sentiment_in_China

[max_saints]

How Hoedt gets picked over Yosh, only MH will know. Why do I feel Hughes got lucky last season

[davefizzy14]

Yoshi has to come back into the side on Saturday as we will need to be extra solid at the back. Also his pace is an asset and we will need that against their explosive front three. Hoping Romeu comes back in too so we pack the midfield.

[Dellman]

Are you trying to claim that Yoshi is being left out because our owner is a racist?

 

It would be no surprise if that were the case.

[sadoldgit]

It would be no surprise if that were the case.

 

Yes it would. If it was that much of an issue for Gao why even have him on the bench? Why not just sell him? Could it be that Hughes doesnt actually rate Yoshi that highly? Yoshi is a great pro and is handy to have on the bench, but he really isnt a top quality premiership player. Whether he is better than Hoedt or not is debatable, but Hughes seems to think so and he is the one who has played at the highest level and watches them in training day out. When there was a debate on here about Hughes's appointment it was agreed that he wouldnt stand for any interference from "management" in team affairs. Do you really believe he would leave out a player he wanted to start with at the owner's behest?

[shurlock]

Yes it would. If it was that much of an issue for Gao why even have him on the bench? Why not just sell him? Could it be that Hughes doesnt actually rate Yoshi that highly? Yoshi is a great pro and is handy to have on the bench, but he really isnt a top quality premiership player. Whether he is better than Hoedt or not is debatable, but Hughes seems to think so and he is the one who has played at the highest level and watches them in training day out. When there was a debate on here about Hughes's appointment it was agreed that he wouldnt stand for any interference from "management" in team affairs. Do you really believe he would leave out a player he wanted to start with at the owner's behest?

 

Christmas come early for you, hasn’t it pal?

[saint77]

It would be no surprise if that were the case.

 

More likely he refused move to some Saudi/Arab team in the summer who were willing to pay les /Sfc 15 million quid

[USaint]

It must be that Hughes doesn’t really rate him, either from past performances he saw when scouting Saints as an opposition manger or just in current training.

 

Valid point about it possibly being down to the owner. Maybe it’s just about selling Saints in China, and as mentioned before there’s a long history of animosity between the two countries. Easier for him to try and ease him out of the club with limited game time.

 

Interestingly, according to this site there are zero Japanese players playing in China. They are playing in other parts of Asia and the rest of the world.

 

https://us.soccerway.com/players/players_abroad/japan/

[benjii]

It's pretty suspicious the way he is being overlooked, to be honest.

 

I doubt it's a Chinese racist thing. More likely he turned down a move when we tried to flog him after a decent world cup or something like that.

[Batman]

something very weird about all this.

If Yoshida was not such an obvious decent bloke, reckon old Les would have gone leaked some 'info' to a journo or two like we do around most sales.

 

would not be as bad if we were not appalling at the back

[saints-cris]

Definitely some kind of story here that hasn’t got out yet. Am sure someone on here referred to something like that at some stage.

[Lord Duckhunter]

**** me, why don’t people think it through. It’s one of two things

 

1. The manger doesn’t rate him.

 

2. Hughes wants to play him, but Les & the hierarchy won’t let him as they want him gone.

 

Hughes doesn’t strike me as the type that’ll let Les dictate who he can and can’t play.

 

 

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[benjii]

**** me, why don’t people think it through. It’s one of two things

 

1. The manger doesn’t rate him.

 

2. Hughes wants to play him, but Les & the hierarchy won’t let him as they want him gone.

 

Hughes doesn’t strike me as the type that’ll let Les dictate who he can and can’t play.

 

 

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So he rates him worse than Bednarek? And Hoedt?

 

In the unlikely event that is true, that makes him a pretty ****ing clueless manager.

 

As for number 2, I generally agree, but he isn't getting a Premier League job anywhere else any time soon.

[Lord Duckhunter]

So he rates him worse than Bednarek? And Hoedt?

 

 

Looks like it, yes.

 

 

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[DT]

**** me, why don’t people think it through. It’s one of two things

 

1. The manger doesn’t rate him.

 

2. Hughes wants to play him, but Les & the hierarchy won’t let him as they want him gone.

 

Hughes doesn’t strike me as the type that’ll let Les dictate who he can and can’t play.

 

 

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Yeah. It's one of only two things. That's what you come to when you think things through. Like Lord D

 

 

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[DT]

Hoedt is shiiiitttt. Yoshida is slightly less shhittt. The world can see this. Hughes cannot

 

 

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[SaintAndy14]

Persistent 'Maya Yoshida' chants at the next home match? At least to show Hughes/board that the fans can see the obvious - that he's a better option than Hoedt.

 

And I'm sure would improve us with the Captain's armband, too. Bertrand is not Captain material!

[Fatboy40]

And I'm sure would improve us with the Captain's armband, too. Bertrand is not Captain material!

 

Pretty much what I alluded to on another thread, we end up with a CB on the pitch better that Hoedt and get the bonus of a natural leader.

 

100% something fishy going on here, and as other said Yoshi is a gentleman so we won't find out why at least until he's left the club.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Maybe is Hughes is punishing him for the red against Everton still?

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[shurlock]

Maybe is Hughes is punishing him for the red against Everton still?

 

Nah don’t think Hughes rates him. Hoedt is one of those players that on paper ticks all the right boxes and presumably managers think they can get the best out of him.

[simo]

MUST start next game

[DT]

Chinese owner bans Japanese player shock

 

 

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[John Boy Saint]

Chinese owner bans Japanese player shock

Trouble is not hard to disbelieve, Chinese can be stubborn buggers.

if it does turn out to be true they can kiss goodbye to my £1000+ next season. Vestergaard and Hoedt are too immature to run the centre of defence by themselves.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Chinese owner bans Japanese player shock

 

 

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Chinese owners tell English DoF who tells Welsh Manager who not to pick.

 

Saints web poster in ridiculous comment shock.

 

Bans? Is he banned from playing, banned from being in the starting 11, banned from training? Please explain how the “ban” works.

 

 

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[whelk]

Why so much mention of frozen out? Any ITK as on bench yesterday? However starting to get very frustrated that Hughes wants to play incompetent lumps at the back when everyone knows Yoshida will do a better job

[Toomer]

Why so much mention of frozen out? Any ITK as on bench yesterday? However starting to get very frustrated that Hughes wants to play incompetent lumps at the back when everyone knows Yoshida will do a better job

 

This

[doddisalegend]

Maybe is Hughes is punishing him for the red against Everton still?

 

Seems unlikely when Hughes didn't even bat an eyelid at Hoj getting sent off against Leicester

[DT]

Chinese owners tell English DoF who tells Welsh Manager who not to pick.

 

Saints web poster in ridiculous comment shock.

 

Bans? Is he banned from playing, banned from being in the starting 11, banned from training? Please explain how the “ban” works.

 

 

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I wasn't being serious

 

 

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[DT]

If only there were some football journalists who could, you know, ask at a press conference or sonething. As in do their job

 

 

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[Dellman]

Trouble is not hard to disbelieve, Chinese can be stubborn buggers.

if it does turn out to be true they can kiss goodbye to my £1000+ next season. Vestergaard and Hoedt are too immature to run the centre of defence by themselves.

 

Vestergaard and Hoedt are too slow on the turn, wasn't Yoshi the fastest Saints player last year?

[sadoldgit]

Trouble is not hard to disbelieve, Chinese can be stubborn buggers.

if it does turn out to be true they can kiss goodbye to my £1000+ next season. Vestergaard and Hoedt are too immature to run the centre of defence by themselves.

 

Yes it is. We hear on here all of the time about what little interest Gao has in the club and in football and then the next minute he is supposedly telling the manager to leave a player out because of his ethnicity? We have had some really bizarre conspiracy theories on here but this one takes the biscuit. Not that long ago people were calling for Yoshida and Stephens to be dropped. Now they are calling for them to be reinstated? Here's a thought. Perhaps Hughes doesnt rate Yoshi and Stephens that is why he isn't playing them. If Yoshida is such a problem with our branding campaign in China, why he is even on the bench? A bigger issue is our poor form. We aren't going to sell our brand anywhere until we become a decent team again (and despite all the moaning in recent years, we have actually been decent for a number of them) - it doesnt matter what nationality our players are.

[shurlock]

Yes it is. We hear on here all of the time about what little interest Gao has in the club and in football and then the next minute he is supposedly telling the manager to leave a player out because of his ethnicity? We have had some really bizarre conspiracy theories on here but this one takes the biscuit. Not that long ago people were calling for Yoshida and Stephens to be dropped. Now they are calling for them to be reinstated? Here's a thought. Perhaps Hughes doesnt rate Yoshi and Stephens that is why he isn't playing them. If Yoshida is such a problem with our branding campaign in China, why he is even on the bench? A bigger issue is our poor form. We aren't going to sell our brand anywhere until we become a decent team again (and despite all the moaning in recent years, we have actually been decent for a number of them) - it doesnt matter what nationality our players are.

 

Maybe Goa dislikes the Japanese more than you do soggy?

[Fatboy40]

OK, fu ck it, there's no conspiracy theory here at all is there now with Hoedt always starting. He could sh it on Hughes pillow and he'd still start.

 

Black and white, it's either..

 

1: Hughes has zero skill at all in picking CB's.

2: Those above Hughes are intentionally preventing Yoshi from being in the starting 11 (either through disliking him or a failed attempt to ship him out in the summer).

[Saints foreva]

Hughes doesn't rate him. Koeman and Pochettino thought the same. Puel only played him when he foolishly rotated the side during Europa until Fonte left.

[Batman]

Hughes doesn't rate him. Koeman and Pochettino thought the same. Puel only played him when he foolishly rotated the side during Europa until Fonte left.

 

neither of them had Hoedt as his competition.

Hoedt is diabolical

[DT]

neither of them had Hoedt as his competition.

Hoedt is diabolical

 

Something very weird going on. Hoedt is appalling.

 

 

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[Fatboy40]

38 minutes in Hoedt tries to clear the ball, kicks it straight back at the same Wolves player, FFS!

[ALWAYS_SFC]

38 minutes in Hoedt tries to clear the ball, kicks it straight back at the same Wolves player, FFS!

 

Wrong thread mate, this about Maya Yoshida hth

[Fatboy40]

Wrong thread mate, this about Maya Yoshida hth

 

Umm... exactly the right thread, I'm emphasing how sh ite Hoedt is, hth

[Wes Tender]

Hughes doesn't rate him. Koeman and Pochettino thought the same. Puel only played him when he foolishly rotated the side during Europa until Fonte left.

 

If Hughes doesn't rate him, then perhaps his judgement, (or lack of it) is questionable. As we have a weak and accident prone defence who aren't capable of the zonal marking that he apparently perseveres with, perhaps Yoshida could be included in a back three to bring in his intelligence, pace and experience, as well as crucially an extra body. Yoshida is good enough to Captain Japan, who performed really well at the World Cup, so he has leadership skills, but he is seemingly not good enough to either replace Hoedt or Vestergaard, or to play alongside them.