Saints in China

[Batman]

In effect though he isn't being judged on ability just the fact he cost a fortune we have signed players with less footballing ability than Gudio but they cost **** all.

 

He being judged on his ability.

He is crap

[ashnats]

What the hell are you on about?

Carrillo is by a mile out worst ever signing.

 

I’m just saying, if we hadn’t signed him, we wouldn’t have hit rock bottom, and maybe we’d be preparing for the championship with mope. So not our worst, because the consequences weren’t bad, in fact they were good consequences. Everything worked out.

 

There are plenty of worse signings with worse consequences.

[Batman]

I’m just saying, if we hadn’t signed him, we wouldn’t have hit rock bottom, and maybe we’d be preparing for the championship with mope. So not our worst, because the consequences weren’t bad, in fact they were good consequences. Everything worked out.

 

There are plenty of worse signings with worse consequences.

 

You are in a tiny minority with that view

It is up there with those who claimed Carrillo had a good scoring record

[hypochondriac]

I’m just saying, if we hadn’t signed him, we wouldn’t have hit rock bottom, and maybe we’d be preparing for the championship with mope. So not our worst, because the consequences weren’t bad, in fact they were good consequences. Everything worked out.

 

There are plenty of worse signings with worse consequences.

What a weird way of looking at it. He is our record signing and pound to contribution he is our worst signing by an absolute mile.

[doddisalegend]

He being judged on his ability.

He is crap

 

yes but not the most crap player we ever had if he'd cost 500K he'd have been forgotten already it's the £20 million that makes him stand out.

[Batman]

yes but not the most crap player we ever had if he'd cost 500K he'd have been forgotten already it's the £20 million that makes him stand out.

 

Of curse the cost of a player is a factor.

[whelk]

Of curse the cost of a player is a factor.

 

So we sign a complete dud for £60m , sign a slightly worse dud for £200k from Nuneaton. And some will say the latter was the worse signing?

[Lord Duckhunter]

You're arguing about 2 different things. Is he the worst player that's ever worn a Saints shirt, that cost money to sign. Clearly not. Is he the worst £ for £ signing in terms of value for money, probably (although Kerry Dixon and some others will give him a run for that particular award).

 

 

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[SuperSAINT]

Good to see Flannigan make the plane.

 

Really hope he stays fit. Has had horrendous luck with injuries.

[pluto]

I will be expecting to see some lucrative chinese sponsorship from this trip.

[Dalek2003]

Whatever people say, it does seem that the signing of Carrillo was a dreadful waste of money. Mope has to be some of the reason, but surely Les Reed as well. Heads should have rolled. The fat we finished 17th (as I predicted last August), and not 18th saved his bacon.

[beatlesaint]

Whatever people say, it does seem that the signing of Carrillo was a dreadful waste of money. Mope has to be some of the reason, but surely Les Reed as well. Heads should have rolled. The fat we finished 17th (as I predicted last August), and not 18th saved his bacon.

 

The fact they backed a manager who was so far out of his depth by spending so much money so late on does smack of incompetence and that can only be attributed to those in charge. I still dont understand it.

[Pengi]

Carrillo bad but Augustin Delgado £3.5m in 2001 prob equivalent to £20m arguably worse because of attitude issues, injuries, upset WGS etc.

[JRM]

Delgado contributed more than Carrillo, Arsenal home game 3-2 win for example. He’s been a disaster of a signing, criminal waste of money on Pellegrino’s mate, clearly not in our plans for next season.

 

Anyone know if the China friendlies are going to be streamed?

[Dr. Kucho]

Has the said why Carrillo and Boufal aren’t on the plane to China?

[beatlesaint]

Has the said why Carrillo and Boufal aren’t on the plane to China?

 

Not as yet. We might get "a slight injury concern" or similar I suspect.

[Toon Saint]

Thought the word around the club was that they were still hopeful Carrillo could have an impact after a full pre-season. Glad that Hughes has been decisive on the issue though and he has clearly made his mind up that he’s not good enough. Hopefully we can transfer him out and recoup some of what we paid for him, and move on from the debacle. What a total desperation signing he was.

 

 

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[davefizzy14]

I thought someone on here said Boufal would be joining up once visa issues were cleared up?

[Gingeletiss]

I thought someone on here said Boufal would be joining up once visa issues were cleared up?

 

That was the 'Eko' troll, now Cabbage face.

[Window Cleaner]

I thought someone on here said Boufal would be joining up once visa issues were cleared up?

 

Can't see that visa issues would be any different for a french national than any other european in the squad.

[Micky]

That was the 'Eko' troll, now Cabbage face.

He's a troll....? Damn, I thought he was now our top ITK.

 

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[davefizzy14]

Can't see that visa issues would be any different for a french national than any other european in the squad.

 

I agree. Only going by what cabbage face said.

[John Boy Saint]

Can't see that visa issues would be any different for a french national than any other european in the squad.

Chinese visas are not cut and dried, the Boss (who has been visiting China for donkeys years) and I did our 3rd renewals in our passports lives for a trip in April so you would assume having been granted ones previously it would be a mere formality....errr no! I completed my application without issue, my Boss had to re submit his twice for very minor errors, it’s not rock up at the embassy wait and get your visa stuck in the book, it’s a leave and collect tomorrow. We both had a day left on our old visa when they were submitted and had to write a letter requesting they cancel our last visa to ensure they issued a new one because they can’t overlap.

I had one trip to Guangzhou where we hopped onto a Kenya Airways flight from Bangkok to Guangzhou, everyone needs a visa to get into China, we whistled through (surprisingly coupled with a bit of humour with the official) the African passengers were noticeably being double teamed by passport control.

Maybe they have an issue with Africans of which Boufal is one seeing as Morocco is North Africa.

 

I have a 2 year multi entry Chinese visa (which is pretty much standard issue), to get that new Visa I needed a letter of invitation which I got from a supplier, but now I can fly in and out of China willy nilly, why did I need the letter of invitation to get a new visa when the letter wording to fulfil the criteria for the renewal has basically expired.

 

HTH

[Professor]

Good to see the welcome at the airport with Chinese Saints' fans having photos taken with players and the manager. That's what this trip is about to raise the profile of the club and over time, to boost commercial income in a new market. If Southampton FC can get a profile in China and get Chinese supporters through the Prem games that are televised there, those supporters will buy club merchandise. If income from China increases our turnover, the Financial Fair Play Rules would allow more money to be spent on the team. It's a long shot and might not work but it does show the club is trying to get to the next level.

[shurlock]

Good to see the welcome at the airport with Chinese Saints' fans having photos taken with players and the manager. That's what this trip is about to raise the profile of the club and over time, to boost commercial income in a new market. If Southampton FC can get a profile in China and get Chinese supporters through the Prem games that are televised there, those supporters will buy club merchandise. If income from China increases our turnover, the Financial Fair Play Rules would allow more money to be spent on the team. It's a long shot and might not work but it does show the club is trying to get to the next level.

 

Behave it’s not going to happen pal.

 

#沧海一粟

[stu0x]

Exactly. And yet there does not appear to be any board level accountability for it. Over 10% of annual turnover blown in one hit. In any other corporate that gets you sacked.

The fact they backed a manager who was so far out of his depth by spending so much money so late on does smack of incompetence and that can only be attributed to those in charge. I still dont understand it.

 

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[eurosaint]

Chinese visas are not cut and dried, the Boss (who has been visiting China for donkeys years) and I did our 3rd renewals in our passports lives for a trip in April so you would assume having been granted ones previously it would be a mere formality....errr no! I completed my application without issue, my Boss had to re submit his twice for very minor errors, it’s not rock up at the embassy wait and get your visa stuck in the book, it’s a leave and collect tomorrow. We both had a day left on our old visa when they were submitted and had to write a letter requesting they cancel our last visa to ensure they issued a new one because they can’t overlap.

I had one trip to Guangzhou where we hopped onto a Kenya Airways flight from Bangkok to Guangzhou, everyone needs a visa to get into China, we whistled through (surprisingly coupled with a bit of humour with the official) the African passengers were noticeably being double teamed by passport control.

Maybe they have an issue with Africans of which Boufal is one seeing as Morocco is North Africa.

 

I have a 2 year multi entry Chinese visa (which is pretty much standard issue), to get that new Visa I needed a letter of invitation which I got from a supplier, but now I can fly in and out of China willy nilly, why did I need the letter of invitation to get a new visa when the letter wording to fulfil the criteria for the renewal has basically expired.

 

HTH

I used to visit China about 4 times a year for more than 30 years and never had a problem ! The multiple entry visa is the best way (and yes, you always need a letter of invitation) but on the few occasions that we were caught short we got them in 24 hours from an office in Hong Kong !

[Cabbage_Face]

My mistake, just passing on what I heard. Seems he is being sold to Nice. Not sure if the biscuits or football club.

 

 

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[Convict Colony]

Now realise why we have gone to china

 

Gao needs each of the people on the trip to take a suitcase of cash out with them for our budget this season.

[LeBenali]

Good to see the welcome at the airport with Chinese Saints' fans having photos taken with players and the manager. That's what this trip is about to raise the profile of the club and over time, to boost commercial income in a new market. If Southampton FC can get a profile in China and get Chinese supporters through the Prem games that are televised there, those supporters will buy club merchandise. If income from China increases our turnover, the Financial Fair Play Rules would allow more money to be spent on the team. It's a long shot and might not work but it does show the club is trying to get to the next level.

 

Get to the next level, or merely, keep up with most of the other Prem teams?

[larry12]

Behave it’s not going to happen pal.

 

#沧海一粟

 

如果你跌倒在你身上也会如此

[shurlock]

 

如果你跌倒在你身上也会如此

 

Afternoon Larry, been on those dodgy fortune cookies again pal?

Edited 2 July, 2018 by shurlock

[disconnect]

What's the schedule out in China then? Are we doing any pre-season games there?

[SuperSAINT]

Nice that we've taken Clasie's young son on tour as well:

 

[trousers]

[pluto]

I would hope to see some commercial revenue from china sooner rather later because manys clubs already do and are not owned by a local.

 

If nothing happens soon I do wonder about the whole chinese ownership being of any benefit to the club.

 

I would have pitched the club sale in Japan as that would offer more commercial revenue.

[Professor]

Interesting to see the row of locals in front of the team outside the hotel entrance. Could be our new owner’s family, or the hotel staff as the hotel was heavily advertised. Wonder if it got onto local media to also advertise the team being there.

Not sure how suitable the location is for training when you see how hot the players became and the fairly extreme cooling down.

Whoever said this attempt to increase the revenue side for more headroom under FFP rules might just be to keep up with other clubs, rather than to get ahead, might well be right, but if you don’t at least keep up, what’s the alternative?

[SuperSAINT]

What's the schedule out in China then? Are we doing any pre-season games there?

 

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/16323983.southampton-head-to-china-on-two-week-tour/

[Faz]

I would hope to see some commercial revenue from china sooner rather later because manys clubs already do and are not owned by a local.

 

If nothing happens soon I do wonder about the whole chinese ownership being of any benefit to the club.

 

I would have pitched the club sale in Japan as that would offer more commercial revenue.

 

Do you not think the club was pitched globally?

 

And what is the basis for your assertion that we would get more commercial revenue from a Japanese owner?

[fanimal]

Endless tower blocks, cranes, murkiness and stifling heat. Welcome to the real China.

[John Boy Saint]

Endless tower blocks, cranes, murkiness and stifling heat. Welcome to the real China.

Thought the air looked pretty good for China, that said the humidity with exercise probably feels like breathing treacle.

[del boy]

First friendly

 

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/schalke-southampton-live-line-ups-stats-naldo-tadic-china-bl-world-tour-509508.jsp?smartformat=true%26utm_source=smartformat%26utm_medium=products%26utm_term=english%26utm_content=article

[SuperSAINT]

[Toomer]

First friendly

 

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/schalke-southampton-live-line-ups-stats-naldo-tadic-china-bl-world-tour-509508.jsp?smartformat=true%26utm_source=smartformat%26utm_medium=products%26utm_term=english%26utm_content=article

 

Looks like we won 2-1

[shurlock]

Looks like we won 2-1

 

Game's tomorrow - 1.05pm our time.

[Suhari]

Game's tomorrow - 1.05pm our time.

 

Although there is something of a time difference, so perhaps the game tomorrow has already happened there, just not yet here.

[Faz]

Although there is something of a time difference, so perhaps the game tomorrow has already happened there, just not yet here.

 

E=MC2

[benjii]

 

Hu is the Master Chef.

[shurlock]

See JWP is continuing his progress -first his award at the Toulon tournament, now this. What was Becks accomplishing at the same age ffs?

 

[Cabbage_Face]

See JWP is continuing his progress -first his award at the Toulon tournament, now this. What was Becks accomplishing at the same age ffs?

 

 

Wonder how many ingredients he got in the pan, I reckon about 3 out of 10.

 

 

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