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Saint86

Saint86

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  On 15/07/2021 at 12:54, TWar said:

I really don't think Tella is very good at CAM. He was decent enough as a striker but I can't personally remember one game where he really excelled as a CAM. Our CAM's should be Armstrong and someone new or we will really struggle imo.

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Fair enough, time will tell i guess. I really rate Tella as an attacking player and think he was one of our best outlets towards the end of last season. He also seems like a pretty level headed young player. I'll be happy enough provided we get to see what he can do with more and more game time. Always find him to be exciting to watch and dangerous for the opposition.

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bpsaint

bpsaint

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Shines in the SPL, and shines against League 2 opposition.

There’s a connection there…

Well played tonight none the less, but answer to a problem this guy isn’t.

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Saint_clark

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  On 25/08/2021 at 21:07, bpsaint said:

Shines in the SPL, and shines against League 2 opposition.

There’s a connection there…

Well played tonight none the less, but answer to a problem this guy isn’t.

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No-one has ever claimed he's going to be a star player. But a better option off the bench than we had last season, definitely.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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  On 25/08/2021 at 21:07, bpsaint said:

Shines in the SPL, and shines against League 2 opposition.

There’s a connection there…

Well played tonight none the less, but answer to a problem this guy isn’t.

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That's a bit harsh on a day he scores three. I'd rather have him as an option compared to some of the dross we've had recently. He's worth a go at least. 

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MarkSFC

MarkSFC

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  On 25/08/2021 at 21:07, bpsaint said:

Shines in the SPL, and shines against League 2 opposition.

There’s a connection there…

Well played tonight none the less, but answer to a problem this guy isn’t.

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Did he shine more or less than Armstrong for Celtic? Genuine question as I don't know  but the point is S Armstrong is now a key player for us despite a slow start in out team. It is possible that Moi needed the time away to develop into a player capable of being useful for us.

I'm hoping that's the case. 

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bpsaint

bpsaint

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  On 25/08/2021 at 21:43, MarkSFC said:

Did he shine more or less than Armstrong for Celtic? Genuine question as I don't know  but the point is S Armstrong is now a key player for us despite a slow start in out team. It is possible that Moi needed the time away to develop into a player capable of being useful for us.

I'm hoping that's the case. 

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Yeah maybe - perhaps I’ve done the guy a massive disservice based on what we saw of him when he played for us previously, and he was a complete fish out of water.

He shone at Celtic, and the fans were disappointed to see him go - it’s hard to compare his Celtic spell with that of Armstrong as Stu was part of a side steam rolling everyone where as Moi was part of a team very much in transition.

I don’t want the guy to fail - I just don’t want the club to be complacent and assume because he had an ok spell out on loan that we don’t need to recruit back up.

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Baird of the land

Baird of the land

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  On 25/08/2021 at 22:05, bpsaint said:

Yeah maybe - perhaps I’ve done the guy a massive disservice based on what we saw of him when he played for us previously, and he was a complete fish out of water.

He shone at Celtic, and the fans were disappointed to see him go - it’s hard to compare his Celtic spell with that of Armstrong as Stu was part of a side steam rolling everyone where as Moi was part of a team very much in transition.

I don’t want the guy to fail - I just don’t want the club to be complacent and assume because he had an ok spell out on loan that we don’t need to recruit back up.

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We’ve already lots of backup in that position.

TWar

TWar

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  On 25/08/2021 at 21:43, MarkSFC said:

Did he shine more or less than Armstrong for Celtic? Genuine question as I don't know  but the point is S Armstrong is now a key player for us despite a slow start in out team. It is possible that Moi needed the time away to develop into a player capable of being useful for us.

I'm hoping that's the case. 

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Hard to judge as Armstrong often played center mid for Celtic and Elyounoussi played a much more attacking role. Goals and assists-wise Elyounoussi (10+4) got more last season than Stu did in his last season with Celtic (3+5) but less than Stu did the season before that(15+7).

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Saint Shady

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The games he’s played well in outside the Prem are probably just showing his level. But still show there is something about him. We’ve had worse than him on the bench and he can definitely fill a spot there this season before he most likely moves on. 

AlexLaw76

AlexLaw76

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  On 25/08/2021 at 21:07, bpsaint said:

Shines in the SPL, and shines against League 2 opposition.

There’s a connection there…

Well played tonight none the less, but answer to a problem this guy isn’t.

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How many did Tella score last night?

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Hodgey

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He looked class yesterday - but like Redmond my fear is he just doesn’t have the qualities to be consistent in the Prem. You can add Djenepo and Walcott to that list though - 4 good sub options but none of them suggest they can consistently deliver in the Prem.

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WALK DMC

WALK DMC

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  On 25/08/2021 at 23:49, HKsaint said:

How to compare him with Redmond or Tella in terms of their performance tonight?

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I didn't see the whole game but Redmond was called out by Quest TV for his contribution particularly in the 1st half when he had a hand in all the goals (and scored in the 2nd half). 

I remain unconvinced by Moi - it isn't any coincidence that the likes of Redmond & Moi look better against 2nd rate opposition. 

I certainly wouldn't start either against Newcastle although would like to see us fit in KWP (and Tino) into the team. 

a1ex2001

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  On 26/08/2021 at 07:17, Hodgey said:

He looked class yesterday - but like Redmond my fear is he just doesn’t have the qualities to be consistent in the Prem. You can add Djenepo and Walcott to that list though - 4 good sub options but none of them suggest they can consistently deliver in the Prem.

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If redmond was consistently as good as he is in flashes he would be a top 4 player he isn’t hence he plays for us!

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wild-saint

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I’m glad to see him have great performance even against low class opposition. It will build his confidence in himself and his manager and could easily lead to better performances at a higher level.

how often do we see players become much better players once their confidence starts to improve of go down hill rapidly with a couple of early poor performances.

Saint Garrett

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Fair play, played well, but difficult to judge against such poor opposition.  Everyone had so much space last night, but will be interesting to see how he gets on in the premier league.  Up to him to prove he can do it.

tajjuk

tajjuk

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To be fair to the guy he can't really do much more, he goes out on loan and does very well, he comes back and gets a chance (albeit against lower opposition) and does very well. If he is also training well then he deserves a chance imo.

Whether he will be good enough we don't really know, but the guy has actually only had 8 PL starts and less than 800minutes of PL football, in a team that was very poor at the time, who's manager then got sacked, whilst he was in his first season in a new league after moving from a different country. 

Also as that Lille performance (two great goals btw) and iirc he was man of match against Man City in the CL, shows he has played well against good opposition. The guy probably has more Champions League and Europa League appearances than our whole squad put together. 

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Dman

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I always thought he’d kick on under Ralph and would suit a role a bit narrower in our 4222. Not blessed with pace, but neither were Lallana and Tadic. Does Moi have the technical ability of those 2? I guess time will Tell. 

Clearly has something about him, but is he good enough / suited to the premier league is a different question. 

Personally, I think he deserves a go. He can’t be any less effective than Theo is. 

No better time to give him a go than off the back of a hat trick, all be it against pretty poor opposition. He’ll be full of confidence. A big weekend ahead for him I think. 

pimpin4rizeal

pimpin4rizeal

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Never been a fan at all of moi in the past but I think after a hat trick and two assists he probably deserves to start our next prem game now.. performances like that need to be rewarded..

bit of a conundrum for the next game now.. I do really want Livramento in front of kwp .. but Stu Armstrong needs to be in as well 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 26/08/2021 at 11:25, pimpin4rizeal said:

Never been a fan at all of moi in the past but I think after a hat trick and two assists he probably deserves to start our next prem game now.. performances like that need to be rewarded..

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Why? It was vs the reserves of a 4th tier team. It shouldn't mean he jumps the pecking order for PL games.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 26/08/2021 at 11:32, Jeremy Corbyn said:

It wasn't their reserves, it was the Newport first team but they'd rotated in some reserve players.

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It was vs the non full strength team of a 4th tier club. 

In the PL he looks out of his depth. Be nice if he proves me wrong, but I struggle to see anything he excels at when playing at PL level.

TWar

TWar

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He never made it under Hughes but then so did half our players. Ralph is a class above (maybe three or four classes above to be frank) Hughes for player improvement so I'm hopeful. Looked good pre saints against some top teams and at Celtic against some top teams. Might be something in it.

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pimpin4rizeal

pimpin4rizeal

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  On 26/08/2021 at 11:29, Matthew Le God said:

Why? It was vs the reserves of a 4th tier team. It shouldn't mean he jumps the pecking order for PL games.

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For me theo hasn’t done enough to cement his place.. and the only number ten who is really head and shoulders above is stuey.

why not give moi a shot after a performance like that? Games like this should help play you into the team hat trick and two assists is impressive against who ever and we had A decent young line up out and he stole the show..

would be a bit soul destroying if you don’t get a start after putting up stats like that. He deserves a shot for me 

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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  On 26/08/2021 at 11:38, pimpin4rizeal said:

For me theo hasn’t done enough to cement his place.. and the only number ten who is really head and shoulders above is stuey.

why not give moi a shot after a performance like that? Games like this should help play you into the team hat trick and two assists is impressive against who ever and we had A decent young line up out and he stole the show..

would be a bit soul destroying if you don’t get a start after putting up stats like that. He deserves a shot for me 

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I'd rather see Livramento in midfield and Walker-Peters back at right back.

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BERMUDASAINT

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  On 26/08/2021 at 09:11, tajjuk said:

To be fair to the guy he can't really do much more, he goes out on loan and does very well, he comes back and gets a chance (albeit against lower opposition) and does very well. If he is also training well then he deserves a chance imo.

Whether he will be good enough we don't really know, but the guy has actually only had 8 PL starts and less than 800minutes of PL football, in a team that was very poor at the time, who's manager then got sacked, whilst he was in his first season in a new league after moving from a different country. 

Also as that Lille performance (two great goals btw) and iirc he was man of match against Man City in the CL, shows he has played well against good opposition. The guy probably has more Champions League and Europa League appearances than our whole squad put together. 

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Well said! Some pragmatism there. If people would erase their early opinions on him and just keep an open mind on his ability,  his stats on loan and his return are good enough to be excited about. Is this not what we wanted? A player many, very many have written off as not good enough, goes out on loan, does well, gets valuable experience CL/EL, and come back and is performing well in training. Ralf tells you he is doing well, and then he show it against weaker opposition, yet we still want to stick to the old mantra..........

By the stats of that game, he was the best of our bunch! Give the guy a break, he is a  SAINTS player, one of ours! He is trying his best, so let's give him some fuxking support!

 

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SaveloyMush

SaveloyMush

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He looked good technically in pre-season, although he will never be able to mask his chronic lack of pace. There is a creative player in him, can he be worked into the Ralph system in the Premier League?

tajjuk

tajjuk

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  On 26/08/2021 at 13:48, badgerx16 said:

Given our last performance up there, could he be any worse as an option ?

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Considering Armstrong is injured and Walcott has been poor, and Redmond is well Redmond, I'd put him in line to start. 

TWar

TWar

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  On 26/08/2021 at 13:47, SaveloyMush said:

He looked good technically in pre-season, although he will never be able to mask his chronic lack of pace. There is a creative player in him, can he be worked into the Ralph system in the Premier League?

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Pace isn't the be all and end all. He's no slower than Tadic and Lallana who have both done well for us in a creative role. We have some absolutely rapid players like Armstrong, Tella, other Armstrong, Djenepo, Perraud we can handle one slower player pulling the strings from the 10 role.

revolution saint

revolution saint

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  On 26/08/2021 at 15:15, Matthew Le God said:

No I wouldn't. Performing at league level is what is relevant. 

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He's scored 16 goals in european competition and six goals at international level.  I'd say that's probably relevant.  Personally when I did see him against Derby I thought he was hopeless - no pace and no skills to beat anyone with either but he obviously has something about him and the goals against Lille were excellent.  If Ralph thinks he deserves a shot then it's hard to argue against it.

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Charlie Wayman

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People may say that Moi's goals were 'soft' and scored against very poor opposition but he scored three whereas Redmond, Long & Odafemi could only manage one between them. Rather more than luck wouldn't you say?

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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  On 26/08/2021 at 11:35, Matthew Le God said:

It was vs the non full strength team of a 4th tier club. 

In the PL he looks out of his depth. Be nice if he proves me wrong, but I struggle to see anything he excels at when playing at PL level.

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It'd be nice if he proves you wrong, but he can't do that if he's only going to get a 10 minute sub appearance every 3 or 4 games.

verlaine1979

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The only place up for grabs would seem to be Walcott's, and as Redmond only seems to be able to play off the left, S Armstrong injured, it's either Moi, Tella or rejig the backline with KWP and move Livramento forward.

Any of those three changes would be interesting to watch and leave good options if it doesn't work out. The main thing is just DROP THEO.

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WestMidSaint

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On the basis that we’re not going to be getting any other creative midfielders, and it doesn’t look like anyone is going to sign him before the window “slams shut” we might as well get behind him a give him a chance. 
 

All those other players listed above have had their chance so he should have likewise.
 

Bearing in mind the Champions League experience and how well he’s generally done elsewhere he’s as deserving as any of the others and whilst lack of pace is a hindrance, others have made an impact in the league without significant pace.

 

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BARCELONASAINT

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I am prepared to give Ely another chance if Ralph honestly thinks he could offer something this season.

However he needs to do a lot of convincing for me to change my stance that he is NOT Premiership level. I watched all the preseason games and therefore saw all the minutes he was included and i saw nothing that convinced me that he will cut it in the Premiership.

He had a good game against a very poor Newport and scored 3 goals that apart from McCarthy most Premiership keepers would never have conceded.

I really hope he can step up this season because it will be like a new signing......but i honestly believe he found his level in Scotland. Hopefully i'm proved wrong.

Archangel

Archangel

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  On 27/08/2021 at 08:53, BARCELONASAINT said:

I am prepared to give Ely another chance if Ralph honestly thinks he could offer something this season.

However he needs to do a lot of convincing for me to change my stance that he is NOT Premiership level. I watched all the preseason games and therefore saw all the minutes he was included and i saw nothing that convinced me that he will cut it in the Premiership.

He had a good game against a very poor Newport and scored 3 goals that apart from McCarthy most Premiership keepers would never have conceded.

I really hope he can step up this season because it will be like a new signing......but i honestly believe he found his level in Scotland. Hopefully i'm proved wrong.

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That is very generous of you.  I'm sure he will be thrilled to know you are prepared to give him another chance.

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Disco Stu

Disco Stu

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He was okay today. Took a little too much time to release the ball, and he's very slow for this league but he's a better Stuart Armstrong back-up than Walcott. He does seem to be quite a vocal player which this team needs.

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Sideways Jim

Sideways Jim

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  On 27/08/2021 at 08:53, BARCELONASAINT said:

I am prepared to give Ely another chance if Ralph honestly thinks he could offer something this season.

However he needs to do a lot of convincing for me to change my stance that he is NOT Premiership level. I watched all the preseason games and therefore saw all the minutes he was included and i saw nothing that convinced me that he will cut it in the Premiership.

He had a good game against a very poor Newport and scored 3 goals that apart from McCarthy most Premiership keepers would never have conceded.

I really hope he can step up this season because it will be like a new signing......but i honestly believe he found his level in Scotland. Hopefully i'm proved wrong.

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Premier League 

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revolution saint

revolution saint

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Fair play to Moi today.  I thought he did pretty well and has probably done enough to replace Walcott as cover for Stuart Armstrong.  Lad has obviously had a tough time but hasn't moaned and just got on with his job.  I imagine relative lack of pace will always be something that will hinder him in the premier league but he seems to have a decent work ethic and a good attitude.

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