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[surrey1saint]

Lowe here or not' date=' there is simply no excuse for it. Sad day when some believe that being crap at football and having numpties in the boardroom is some sort of justification for a fight - I thought we got rid of those moronic neanderthals ages ago, seems not....sad.[/quote']

 

Sad day indeed.

[dobbo]

Mate no offence to you but at the end of the day people pay there cash to watch them so they have every right to sing what they want regarding Lowe.

 

You didnt like the action taken against you then keep your opinions to yourself.

 

Didnt mention you started on one the of the "idiots" at half time grabbing him and threatening him? he then threatened you and you shat your pants.

 

Does this mean that because my view is different to yours I can not make them (I pay my money too)

 

Lets get this straight though I do not want Lowe just do not agree with how we chant during the game.

 

Also some on here said I hit someone at half time (this was not me)

 

I have never been bullied and will not start now as these morons tried to intimidate anyone around them who had a different view.

 

The difference is I will stand up and not step down but will not resort to violence as the coward who hit me from behind did (very brave)

 

There will be people who have been right or wrong on both sides but surely we need to get behind the team which was my view before. Atmoshere was great against Reading and we gotr a result no one expected.

[surrey1saint]

There will be people who have been right or wrong on both sides but surely we need to get behind the team which was my view before. Atmoshere was great against Reading and we gotr a result no one expected.

 

Good point

[Mole]

There will be people who have been right or wrong on both sides but surely we need to get behind the team which was my view before. Atmoshere was great against Reading and we gotr a result no one expected.

 

Did you or did you not manhandle a fan before the incident when you were decked?

[Charlie Wayman]

I am amazed that we have gotten this far into such a disastrous season before the anti-Lowe singing has started up. I was delighted that fans had found at last their voices and Dunkerque spirit.

 

To me, prior to Saturday, for all the world it looked like fans have been so demoralised by events in the boardroom and on the pitch that they had given up totally on saints and were so indifferent to their plight that they found it easier to stay away and forget that SMS and Lowe even existed - and who can blame them in this deepening economic crises in which many have uncertainty over their own job and financial security gnawing away at their emotions?

 

The last thing we want are SILENT FANS at soccer matches. I want rid of Lowe but have no way of bringing this about except by ramming home the message of the deep and irrecoverable antipathy towards him and his cronies.

 

The only other option for me is to tear up my ST once and for all, ignore all future please for early-bird discounts and stop watching football at SMS as an entertainment fro ever - and this is waht it comes down to after 60 years.

[saint1977]

My take on it is that fighting and intimidation is out of order and certainly the fisticuffs both in the Northam and to a more limited extent the Kingsland were awful to see but it had been coming. There's no doubt that the atmosphere has been less of a "family orientation" since relegation and there are less police (very costly) to mitigate that. The stewarding is not of the standard it was and some of Saturday's stewarding belonged in the mid-1980s miners strike! Some of the stewards were little better than the thugs themselves.

 

I don't agree that we shouldn't sing for the board's removal during games though. We did it for Branfoot and it had negligible impact on performances until LM and Ball saved us. The same people, bar Wilde, in effect still hold the power (Askham, Richards et al). Lowe is dispensible at 6% share. The people that appointed Branfoot are still around so no wonder we're in a mess. The young players will move onto other clubs and see worse (Leeds for example), they just have to be grown-ups and get on with winning matches.

 

6 wins in 28 is shocking with only 1 home win and even that was a bit lucky. What reduces any empathy with the players is the lack of effort - Forest was a watershed for the crowd where 2 of our players pulling out of 50/50s led to Garner's superb finish and we won't accept that from the players, however raw they are. Again on Saturday, Donny were first to most of the tackles and interceptions that mattered.

 

The financial angle - we still have more resources than clubs like Doncaster and have stil signed a fair few players. JP was a daft gamble - look at the likes of Brian Stock recruited by Doncaster from the lower leagues. We could have recruited those sort of players and again, Kightly at Wolves even from non-league. JP, Wotte et al and the kids - this was a deliberate choice by Rupert and WAS NOT the only option but he picked it. It's failed, it's not his first, second, third, fourth or even fifth big mess-up, how many more does he need? Time to fall on his sword and take Wilde with him.

[St. Jason]

My take on it is that fighting and intimidation is out of order and certainly the fisticuffs both in the Northam and to a more limited extent the Kingsland were awful to see but it had been coming. There's no doubt that the atmosphere has been less of a "family orientation" since relegation and there are less police (very costly) to mitigate that. The stewarding is not of the standard it was and some of Saturday's stewarding belonged in the mid-1980s miners strike! Some of the stewards were little better than the thugs themselves.

 

I don't agree that we shouldn't sing for the board's removal during games though. We did it for Branfoot and it had negligible impact on performances until LM and Ball saved us. The same people, bar Wilde, in effect still hold the power (Askham, Richards et al). Lowe is dispensible at 6% share. The people that appointed Branfoot are still around so no wonder we're in a mess. The young players will move onto other clubs and see worse (Leeds for example), they just have to be grown-ups and get on with winning matches.

 

6 wins in 28 is shocking with only 1 home win and even that was a bit lucky. What reduces any empathy with the players is the lack of effort - Forest was a watershed for the crowd where 2 of our players pulling out of 50/50s led to Garner's superb finish and we won't accept that from the players, however raw they are. Again on Saturday, Donny were first to most of the tackles and interceptions that mattered.

 

The financial angle - we still have more resources than clubs like Doncaster and have stil signed a fair few players. JP was a daft gamble - look at the likes of Brian Stock recruited by Doncaster from the lower leagues. We could have recruited those sort of players and again, Kightly at Wolves even from non-league. JP, Wotte et al and the kids - this was a deliberate choice by Rupert and WAS NOT the only option but he picked it. It's failed, it's not his first, second, third, fourth or even fifth big mess-up, how many more does he need? Time to fall on his sword and take Wilde with him.

 

Here, here, great post!

[surrey1saint]

Here, here, great post!

 

 

Originally Posted by saint1977 View Post

My take on it is that fighting and intimidation is out of order and certainly the fisticuffs both in the Northam and to a more limited extent the Kingsland were awful to see but it had been coming. There's no doubt that the atmosphere has been less of a "family orientation" since relegation and there are less police (very costly) to mitigate that. The stewarding is not of the standard it was and some of Saturday's stewarding belonged in the mid-1980s miners strike! Some of the stewards were little better than the thugs themselves.

 

I don't agree that we shouldn't sing for the board's removal during games though. We did it for Branfoot and it had negligible impact on performances until LM and Ball saved us. The same people, bar Wilde, in effect still hold the power (Askham, Richards et al). Lowe is dispensible at 6% share. The people that appointed Branfoot are still around so no wonder we're in a mess. The young players will move onto other clubs and see worse (Leeds for example), they just have to be grown-ups and get on with winning matches.

 

6 wins in 28 is shocking with only 1 home win and even that was a bit lucky. What reduces any empathy with the players is the lack of effort - Forest was a watershed for the crowd where 2 of our players pulling out of 50/50s led to Garner's superb finish and we won't accept that from the players, however raw they are. Again on Saturday, Donny were first to most of the tackles and interceptions that mattered.

 

The financial angle - we still have more resources than clubs like Doncaster and have stil signed a fair few players. JP was a daft gamble - look at the likes of Brian Stock recruited by Doncaster from the lower leagues. We could have recruited those sort of players and again, Kightly at Wolves even from non-league. JP, Wotte et al and the kids - this was a deliberate choice by Rupert and WAS NOT the only option but he picked it. It's failed, it's not his first, second, third, fourth or even fifth big mess-up, how many more does he need? Time to fall on his sword and take Wilde with him.

Here, here, great post!

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Here here+1

[OldNick]

Does this mean that because my view is different to yours I can not make them (I pay my money too)

 

Lets get this straight though I do not want Lowe just do not agree with how we chant during the game.

 

Also some on here said I hit someone at half time (this was not me)

 

I have never been bullied and will not start now as these morons tried to intimidate anyone around them who had a different view.

 

The difference is I will stand up and not step down but will not resort to violence as the coward who hit me from behind did (very brave)

 

There will be people who have been right or wrong on both sides but surely we need to get behind the team which was my view before. Atmoshere was great against Reading and we gotr a result no one expected.

Dobbo the thought that you were attacked by our own fans is deplorable. I hope you still find it to come to games.If any fan laid hands on the fans singing the anti Lowe sngs is also deplorable may I add . There is no moral high ground fan fighting fan.