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Sorry but I seem to be missing something here. There seems to be some feeling on here from some posters that the singing of "negative songs" is effecting the team. It is cause and effect. It is because the team is performing so ineptly this season that people are singing the songs - not the other way round! To even remotely blame some Saints fans for the performances on the pitch because they are singing "Anti-Lowe" (not anti-team) songs is nothing short of naive stupidity. Saints fans are some of the best in the country at sticking with the team through thick and thin, but it has got to the stage where enough is enough. If you paid £50-£60 to see any other form of "entertainment" and you were presented with the quality of performance that we have had to suffer would you just keep quiet and hope that by keeping quiet the performance would improve?

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Sorry but I seem to be missing something here. There seems to be some feeling on here from some posters that the singing of "negative songs" is effecting the team. It is cause and effect. It is because the team is performing so ineptly this season that people are singing the songs - not the other way round! To even remotely blame some Saints fans for the performances on the pitch because they are singing "Anti-Lowe" (not anti-team) songs is nothing short of naive stupidity. Saints fans are some of the best in the country at sticking with the team through thick and thin, but it has got to the stage where enough is enough.

 

And this is what Jan had to say before yesterday's match:

 

“The fans have been very good this season and have supported us well. It’s up to us now to give them something back."

 

So all those blaming the fans can quite frankly fckk right off.

 

The arguing and tension around us in the Itchen was not Pro Lowe v Anti Lowe, instead it was whether we should continue to try and support the lads or start getting on Lowe's (and others) backs.

 

Yesterday for me was the breaking point and have no problems saying I will be protesting whenever and wherever I can. I don't believe it unduly affects the players and something needs to be done to force some action from those who are entrusted with running this Club, because meekly supporting the boys has done us fckk all good up to now.

 

Yesterday was the breaking point, you could just sense it within the ground. It wasn't a knee jerk reaction to losing to Donny, instead it was a culmination of frustration that has been simmering for quite a while.

 

Something needs to be done to take the heat out of the situation.

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I have been following Saints for 40 years I am a Season Ticket holder in the Northam and will do 15 away games a year. If we got relegated I would still renew my Season Ticket.

I am not Pro Lowe or anti Lowe I just support my team.

The anti Lowe chants/protest got going today when we needed to back the team but an element were determined to get them going and with things not going well on the pitch they suceeded.

I am ashamed to see Saints fans fighting Saints fans. Even in the 70's we may have got stuck into other teams fans but never each other.

The damage done to the teams already fragile confidence at SMS is huge and I certainly dont want to stand in the Northam in that atmosphere again. For the first time in my life I was ashamed to be a Saints fan today.

If this sort of atmosphere continues it will after 40 years drive me away from going to games.

A sad sad day today.

 

 

This post sums up my feeling entirely. I dont get to many games as I live in Scotland, but this was very sad day for me and I was embarrassed by the scenes. I took my friend along who was happy to follow Saints albiet for the game only as he is a Brighton fan. I don't think he was that impressed either. Left a sour taste this morning. Oh and I can also equate these feelings to the football match also.

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It can't be long now before Rupert Lowe is physically attacked. Someone will vent his anger a bit too much if they spot him out and about. It could get really nasty.

 

In the ground as well, if things like this continue to happen, then something terrible happening is a possibility. A large punch and falling down a few stairs banging your head along hard floors and edges of seats. THERE COULD BE DEATHS.

 

The club is a disaster. We need more media attention about our problems. Boycotts need to happen. Pitch invasions need to happen.

NEXT HOME GAME why not buy a seat right near lowe ,then give him both barrels let him know what you think of him.
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NEXT HOME GAME why not buy a seat right near lowe ,then give him both barrels let him know what you think of him.

 

My 11 year old daughter suggested this yesterday... along with some rotten tomotoes. I suppose by throwing them at Lowe you risk hitting corporate entertainment types who would probably not want to come again - thus eating away again at the plc, as well as hitting other board members and major shareholders. Shame that...not.

 

Sounds a good idea to me for a protest. The Red Tomato throwing revolution!

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My 11 year old daughter suggested this yesterday... along with some rotten tomotoes. I suppose by throwing them at Lowe you risk hitting corporate entertainment types who would probably not want to come again - thus eating away again at the plc, as well as hitting other board members and major shareholders. Shame that...not.

 

Sounds a good idea to me for a protest. The Red Tomato throwing revolution!

 

Or we could go all arabic and throw shoes at rupert. I'll come in my steel toe capped rigger boots.;)

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What's the betting Lowe erects a cage around the directors box fot the next game and cordons off the area with a 20 seat buffer zone protected by his personal body guards?

 

Or maybe him and Wilde just won't dare show their faces anymore...

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My 11 year old daughter suggested this yesterday... along with some rotten tomotoes. I suppose by throwing them at Lowe you risk hitting corporate entertainment types who would probably not want to come again - thus eating away again at the plc, as well as hitting other board members and major shareholders. Shame that...not.

 

Sounds a good idea to me for a protest. The Red Tomato throwing revolution!

don`t forget to save one for ASKHAM as that greedy t*at started all this[sitts next to lowe]:D
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This post sums up my feeling entirely. I dont get to many games as I live in Scotland, but this was very sad day for me and I was embarrassed by the scenes. I took my friend along who was happy to follow Saints albiet for the game only as he is a Brighton fan. I don't think he was that impressed either. Left a sour taste this morning. Oh and I can also equate these feelings to the football match also.

 

Sorry but you and Berk Saint are missing the maint point. You and he support a football club - not one team. The problem is that this club is being destroyed by one man - a disease which we have to be rid of until things will be remotely as they once were. Given the disasters caused by Lowe how can you possibly say you are neither for or against Lowe - this is naivety in the extreme. What other chairman dabbles, interferes and divides like the cretin we have at SFC.

 

What you witnessed yesterday will continue until either Lowe disappears or the club dies completely.

 

I too have been supporting this club for 40 years, having been originally from London and watching teams in the capital. But I came to Saints because they were "different", their ground, their support. Saints supporters are undeniably the most patient, good natured and the most humorous supporters. If you had travelled to many away games over the past 40 years you would know this.

 

But there is a point at which you cannot continue screw your own support. This moment has arrived and if you really cannot face the outcome of the current disasters caused by Lowe then stay away like the other 15,000 of us who want to be rid of the disease asap.

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Nickh. You don`t seem to have responded to my post.:confused:
Sorry Miserable I went out and so didnt see this post.

It is my opinion is does not help and the players do feel the pressure and change in atmosphere.If it wasnt the case why do clubs like playing at home where their fans make a difference? If it doesnt help the players why the hell do we spent time singing and cheering the team on, we may as well be quiet like a snooker match.

There were many fans who disagreed with the singing of those songs, hence fighting amongst ourselves.

I dont care if fans chant about RL or whoever but I myself would like the fans to stay behind the team during the game.It seems commoin sense to me

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I was angry at the board, the players and the manager until I looked around at the fans. I saw people kicking off in the itchen; I saw two blokes kicking off just in front of me in the Kingsland; I saw numerous people kicking off in the Northam, and it just made me feel sad about how divided our club has become under Rupert Lowe.

I would also like to say that the way the stewards dragged a YOUNG TEENAGE BOY out of the Northam, nearly breaking his arms in the process, was utterly disgusting. I was all for rushing the pitch and not leaving for a good few hours, but unfortunately it looked like I would have been on my own at the full time whistle, and didn't fancy getting my own arms broken.

If it was the lad who punched the steward in the face for no apparent reason he deserved it
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What you witnessed yesterday will continue until either Lowe disappears or the club dies completely.

 

And I fear it will be the later. For every uber-passionate fan, there are 10 take it as it comes fans.

 

If the results are bad the ONLY thing that keeps people going to home games is the atmosphere. If the atmosphere is poisonous, then those fans will stop going.

 

Fans that protest during the game are naive in my opinion. I am all for direct action but chanting Lowe out during the game is not going to help Kelvin save, Morgan tackle or Saga score. Yes it's your right, you've paid, but I'd ask you two questions:

 

- If support counts for nothing why do we bother going, or rather why do we bother singing? Why don't we all watch in silence.

- If you were in the stands thinking of buying the club, would you?

 

So as I see it negativity during the game doesn't help the result, and won't help us get taken over either. Say one thing for Man City, when the going was tough at least they stuck together.

 

I am a Lowe supporter (primarily because I don't think we have any options at the moment), but that stays at the turnstile for me. I'd favour a stay away, organised sit in, anything to improve the atmosphere. Hell I'd probably support getting rid of Lowe to stop the poisonous atmosphere - **** knows where that would leave us though.

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I remember laughing at the Plymouth fans when a fight broke out amongst them at home park last January. The Saints fans were having a laugh : "youre just a town full of pikeys, town full of piiiikeys.."

 

Really shameful that its now happened at St Marys. Never thought Id see that. The Donny fans must have been ****ing themselves too.

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Oh I think after removing Lowe and Wilde, Askham is very very firmly in everyone's crosshairs.

 

Excellent, and once we've done him we can do Richards.

 

And when we've done him let's rip the seats up and burn the Stadium - anything that Lowe has touched should go.

 

"We've got our club back" - oh, where is it?

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If the trouble in the Northam gets too bad I wouldnt put it past the club to shut the Northam down and the s/t holders will then be told to move to other parts of the ground.I'm sure legally they could do so under health and safety.

RL doesnt have much respect for the Northam at the best of times and so if he upset them more he wouldn't worry.

To me Im in a catch 22 situation, I dearly want the fans to be united and the only realistic way for that is RL to go. On the other hand I dont like the mob rule winning.

I have said I will not support RL if he kept Jan, at this time Jan is still here and so for that reason i want him gone.If he changes manager immediately/this week i will give him longer for financial reasons only.

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And if it wasn`t.....

it was totally wrong. The steward near us (Mark) is superb, although he keeps getting us to sit down he does it in a diplomatic way.I hope he didnt have any aggro, i did see a steward fall down the aisle trying to stop the fight, I think it was the steward in charge of the Northam?

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Excellent, and once we've done him we can do Richards.

 

And when we've done him let's rip the seats up and burn the Stadium - anything that Lowe has touched should go.

 

"We've got our club back" - oh, where is it?

To be fair AP I have a bitter dislike of Askham for he has always been at the back in the shadows but drawing a lot from us.He was there bringing RL to the club, he sh## on us during Branfoots days and him and the rest of the crew can go and rot as far as Im concerned.
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Agreed, should stick to punching stewards.

 

Do you really believe this?? I don`t think that the sporadic singing of any song during the game had any effect on the players at all. We have won one league game at home this season. Is that because of supporters singing songs or is it for other reasons?:confused:

 

Agreed, Saints had their best 2 chances before the goal in the midst of many fans singing Lowe Out songs, and when their 2nd went in the crowd had lulled for a few minutes.

 

To be honest the whole "fans affecting performance" thing went out of the window for me when we lost 5-2 to Watford in the League Cup in the relegation season. At 3-0 down the majority of the traveling fans started singing Watford songs including "can we join you over there?" and the team promptly got a goal back and scored another before the end.

 

As with yesterday the team played perfectly well with fans doing anything BUT cheering the team.

 

Fwiw, what we need is not anti- anyone or anything. It's viable action that doesn't damage the club but results in the current incumbents moving on, not that I think this season's cost-cutting is the wrong thing to do, but because there is now too much division for the club to succeed.

 

While I'm having my 3 posts for the day I'd better get it out that I don't think Poortvliet is a bad manager but the wrong wing thing, even though I understand it (especially problematic with one-foot Ryan Smith) and picking McGoldrick is annoying the hell out of me.

 

Anyway, I've got no ideas beyond a catchy name; so if anyone wants to use

 

Positive

Action -

Save

Saints

 

Feel free.

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To be fair AP I have a bitter dislike of Askham for he has always been at the back in the shadows but drawing a lot from us.He was there bringing RL to the club, he sh## on us during Branfoots days and him and the rest of the crew can go and rot as far as Im concerned.

 

Not disagreeing, we need a clean broom. Just think that we need to be measured in any response. There's a danger that we throw the baby out with the bath water.

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Not disagreeing, we need a clean broom. Just think that we need to be measured in any response. There's a danger that we throw the baby out with the bath water.

Who is worth saving though AP? LC is just about on the fringes as he at least is willing to put money in.AC seems a decent man but i see no one with any reason to feel any pride in their actions from where i sit

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Sorry Miserable I went out and so didnt see this post.

It is my opinion is does not help and the players do feel the pressure and change in atmosphere.If it wasnt the case why do clubs like playing at home where their fans make a difference? If it doesnt help the players why the hell do we spent time singing and cheering the team on, we may as well be quiet like a snooker match.

There were many fans who disagreed with the singing of those songs, hence fighting amongst ourselves.

I dont care if fans chant about RL or whoever but I myself would like the fans to stay behind the team during the game.It seems commoin sense to me

I understand what you are saying but take yesterday for example. The crowd support for the team was good during the first half. It was only after Donny scored and it became obvious that we didn`t have a clue how to get back into the game that the anti-Lowe (not anti-team) songs started. People are sick to death of the inept way that this club (including team management) is run that they are going to vent their feelings and the most effective way is during the game, not at after when people are drifting away and the Board is tucked safely away in the boardroom.

One question for you - do you honestly feel that the result would have been any diferent had the anti-Lowe stuff not started. I don`t remember much anti-Lowe stuff at any of the other home games that we have lost this season. In fact the support has (IMHO) been very good considering the performances.

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surrey1saint wrote

 

"Why do some Saints fans want to punch other Saints fans.We support the same team don't we?"

 

Its not the first time this has happen although this is probably the first time during a game.

 

There was violence and threats of violence away from the game when we were back at the dell and some members of SISA were threatening saints fans

who had differing views to them when Lowe first arrived.

 

I know I was and I should say my daughter was on the recieving end of these threats.

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I know I was and I should say my daughter was on the recieving end of these threats.

 

I'd call you an irresponsible parent for voicing such provocative views in such a volatile environment when in attendance with your child.

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I understand what you are saying but take yesterday for example. The crowd support for the team was good during the first half. It was only after Donny scored and it became obvious that we didn`t have a clue how to get back into the game that the anti-Lowe (not anti-team) songs started. People are sick to death of the inept way that this club (including team management) is run that they are going to vent their feelings and the most effective way is during the game, not at after when people are drifting away and the Board is tucked safely away in the boardroom.

One question for you - do you honestly feel that the result would have been any diferent had the anti-Lowe stuff not started. I don`t remember much anti-Lowe stuff at any of the other home games that we have lost this season. In fact the support has (IMHO) been very good considering the performances.

You are right to a degree, but the chances of us turning it around were effectivily lost when the mood turned ugly.

If the events do make RL change the manager then I will change my mind and congratulate

the fans for causing unrest (not fighting each other or punching stewards though)

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surrey1saint wrote

 

"Why do some Saints fans want to punch other Saints fans.We support the same team don't we?"

 

Its not the first time this has happen although this is probably the first time during a game.

 

There was violence and threats of violence away from the game when we were back at the dell and some members of SISA were threatening saints fans

who had differing views to them when Lowe first arrived.

 

I know I was and I should say my daughter was on the recieving end of these threats.

 

I find this very sad, but then there are people at the club who think it is perfectly all right to behave in this matter. And they get upset when they are called the "lunatic fringe".

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Indeed Ponty we do. And we did when Lowe wasn't here too. If people can't control themselves and take it out on fellow fans it is not down to Lowe, it is down to the individuals themselves.

People are attcking the symptom here and not the disease. I do not condone violence of any sort but what happened yesterday is a symptom of the disease. The club is rotten to the core and as result of this, yesterdays scenes took place. "Cure" the club and the violence and protests will go away. Sadly I don`t have the cure.:(

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Why, for simply wanting a manager who has managed at the highest level, for you to even say that he needs his head testing for wanting GH back proves to me that you know even less about whats needed than anyone. Get your ironing board out and stick to what you girls no best. Leave the football debates for people who know what they are on about.

 

lol, genius.

 

I suggest you pull your head out of your arse and save the sexist comments for people who genuinely deserve them, of which you'll find very few on this forum.

 

Grow up.

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chanting Lowe out during the game is not going to help Kelvin save, Morgan tackle or Saga score.

 

Well, with 1 win in 13 it's hardly helped either. We lose whether we sing or whether we chant Lowe Out, it appears to make no difference. What could make a difference is the message given to Lowe's cabal that his and Jan's presence is not welcome.

 

The camels back has been broken, something now needs to give.

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The chants started in the 70th minute. In between the anti Lowe chants there was also a few chants for Southampton amongst others. The fans support for the team has been fantastic all season despite the crap we have had to endure on the pitch and I quite understand the reasons for them. The violence is never the answer but then it would never have happened if Lowe wasn't here. If Pearson was still here then at least the fans would all be behind the management and fully supportive.

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Not only do you talk ****, you are a two faced **** to boot. Don't do as i do, do as i say. Muppet.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=8147

 

Stanley, you come across as one of those neanderthals who used to take pleasure in giving people a good kicking in the 70's.

 

Also, you know who I am but have avoided revealing your identity to me, so I might be two faced and a muppet but I am not a coward.

 

Feel free to expain how I am two faced please.

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The chants started in the 70th minute. In between the anti Lowe chants there was also a few chants for Southampton amongst others. The fans support for the team has been fantastic all season despite the crap we have had to endure on the pitch and I quite understand the reasons for them. The violence is never the answer but then it would never have happened if Lowe wasn't here. If Pearson was still here then at least the fans would all be behind the management and fully supportive.

 

I agree. Which is why even the most pro-Lowe poster has to admit at long last that Lowe is not needed at this Club.

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You are right to a degree, but the chances of us turning it around were effectivily lost when the mood turned ugly.

 

The chances of us turning it around were affected much, much, much more by the ridiculous tactical decisions undertaken by the manager, appointed by a CEO who is out of touch, rather than by the chanting of Lowe Out.

 

Our shambles of a team (who on paper aren't that bad) is the reason we lost yesterday, not because the fans turned on Lowe.

 

We have lost 50% of our home games (and drawn 43%), and we need to look elsewhere for the reasons rather than noddily blame the fans (again).

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Stanley, you come across as one of those neanderthals who used to take pleasure in giving people a good kicking in the 70's.

 

Also, you know who I am but have avoided revealing your identity to me, so I might be two faced and a muppet but I am not a coward.

 

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Deary me, so i'm a neanderthal for pointing out a thread where you do exactly what you preach to others not to do.

 

I stand by what i said.

 

I'm sorry you didn't realise who i was, i thought you did as everyone else does.

 

Tris.

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Indeed Ponty we do. And we did when Lowe wasn't here too. If people can't control themselves and take it out on fellow fans it is not down to Lowe, it is down to the individuals themselves.

 

Of course it is down to Lowe. He is the catalyst. Frankly if I was the local MP, I would be calling for Lowe to stand down next week.

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Sat in the Kingsland yesterday some of us did stand up and join in when the anti lowe songs started what ****ed me off was the whingers who moaned they couldnt see and the majority who did nothing.

If they were actualy getting behind the team then fair enough but they sit on their hands whether we are winning, losing or trying to make a point about our chairman.

Can't believe they come to be entertained

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Sat in the Kingsland yesterday some of us did stand up and join in when the anti lowe songs started what ****ed me off was the whingers who moaned they couldnt see and the majority who did nothing.

If they were actualy getting behind the team then fair enough but they sit on their hands whether we are winning, losing or trying to make a point about our chairman.

Can't believe they come to be entertained

 

 

spoke to my mum and dad last night, both in late 70's with season tickets in the Kingsland.

Mum reckons it was the best bit of yesterday standing up if you want Lowe out.

Do not fooled into believing that the older fans want him , they have most reasons to hate him there support and dedication over the years is being wasted in their life times.

As Dad said we paid for the Man Utd game with our pension money because at his age he may never see them or their equivalent play Southampton

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