INFLUENCED.COM Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 did anyone on here expect the level of violence that we saw today????? probably only thise who were hell bent on starting it,perhaps.... If the result did not go our way then anyone who did not expect a happening can at best be considered very naive at worst negligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 (edited) the police don't direct the stewards you pillock!!!!....the police are there as a back-up for them......the stewards are directed by the control room.....if they say 'go in there n pull that fan/trouble maker out, then the stewards have to do it......in fact i know of one incident that happened today where one of the seniors refused to send his stewards in as it was so volatile, that senior is now facing disciplinary action for disobeying orders and refusing to endanger his staff ...........like i said damned if ya do, damned if ya don't S1S, i apologise for misunderstanding your first post, it appeared to me that you were blaming the police for not being present.......altho, having said that the games' 'police categories' are decided by not only the stadium safety officer , but senior police officers too.....so in fact , they MUST take some of the blame along with Mark Long... however, did anyone on here expect the level of violence that we saw today????? probably only thise who were hell bent on starting it,perhaps.... No need to be so flcking rude,I bow to your superior knowledge re the way it works.How do you know so much,are you a steward? Don't think anyone would imagine we would see fans fighting fans at SMS. Edited 17 January, 2009 by surrey1saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Tbh yes, it's been bubbling under the surface for a while now.....only an idiot wouldn't have realized that it would 'kick off' today if we didn't get a result. yeh, anger and frustration aimed at RL and the board, but NOT at our own fans,surely??........if you saw THAT comin Harvey, maybe you should do the lottery mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 No need to be so flcking rude,I bow to your superior knowledge re the way it works.How do you know so much,are you a steward? I wouldnt apologise. When an incident kicks off the police tell the control room what to do and the control room tell the stewards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Which is precisely why I agree with Nickh. Support the team through the match, boo Lowe at the end. Anything else is, in my opinion, self defeating. To throw a punch at a fellow Saints fan is despicable. Ever since Hoddle-gate this club has been turning in on itself, blame, counter-blame, anger, vitriol and now violence. Like the Roman Empire, the mob will destroy SFC, and I'm not sure how you solve it. The "mob" as you describe it is made up of the anti Lowe and pro Lowe faction of our divided fanbase. I think the incident in the Northam was a pro Lower being smacked up for gobbing off at fans singing the anti Lowe chants, but the threatening where i was sat was from a pro Lower telling everyone to shut up. He was losing it and i expected him to kick off at any moment. Basically our fanbase is heading for civil war and for that reason Lowe must go asap before the situation in the stands gets very nasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 yeh, anger and frustration aimed at RL and the board, but NOT at our own fans,surely??........if you saw THAT comin Harvey, maybe you should do the lottery mate! I did do the lottery & won nothing..........No need to seem so aggitated btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 yeh, anger and frustration aimed at RL and the board, but NOT at our own fans,surely Its there every single game, win or lose, individuals have had a pop at each other throughout, someone slates a player for a pass that didn't end up where intended another defends said player, verbals ensue and subject to conviction someone may get a wallop, it doesn't happen on mass as highlighted today but there are isolated incidents all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 (edited) I did do the lottery & won nothing..........No need to seem so aggitated btw Sorry guys.......PMT (post-match tension) n all that!!!! :yawinkle: (group hug?????) :D:D Edited 17 January, 2009 by saint boggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 I'd also advise that children aren't taken into the northam stand until the situation improves. The club will also have to pay for a for full police presence for all future games for this stand for safety reasons IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianthesaint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 A man in Northam challenged 10 to 15 idiots in the 1st half to get behind the team and not sing about that idiot Lowe. I also had a go at them about 10 minutes later (I actually do not want him here but came to support my beloved saints). It calmed down and at half time was ok., When we went 2-0 down they started again and as they left started trying to intimidate me and others around about Lowe and how right they were (as previously mentioned I agree but there is a time and place). While trying to get my point across I was punched in the face from behind from one of these cowards, on others seeing this they also reacted. I did not throw a single punch but do not know how I held myself back, but I won't lower myself to there level. I will not be going back to another game though as this situation has shown me that these idiots are worse than Lowe as even though he is just trying to protect his money with no care for the club these people are just there for violence not the football. I will miss it but today is the end. Mate no offence to you but at the end of the day people pay there cash to watch them so they have every right to sing what they want regarding Lowe. You didnt like the action taken against you then keep your opinions to yourself. Didnt mention you started on one the of the "idiots" at half time grabbing him and threatening him? he then threatened you and you shat your pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 lol@ some of the posts on here. For most of the second half I was chanting anti-lowe songs, some of them based on pure hatred, others being more comical, not once did anyone tell me to shut up. I love the way some of the people on here are saying " I agree about Lowe, but save the chants for after the game "....... ..... funny that, but looking around outside reception after, the peoplen there were mainly the same people that have been calling for his head during the game, surely all these " support the lads for the 90 minutes " would have taken the opportunity to vent their anger? NO...... because all the wet saps that moan on here 24/7 are quite happy to sit back and watch our club rot to the core. It is not hard for all the mugs that think the anti-lowe stuff affects the team ( lol ) to sing a little louder and drown it out is it? I am f*cking sick of our club, and just as sick about some of the saps who support it. I have paid for my season ticket year after year, I will sing what the f*ck I like, and as long as it is not racist, anyone who disagrees can f*ck off and sit in the chapel with ear muffs for all I care. Yours Always SRS ( Block 42 MM 1093 ) xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Mate no offence to you but at the end of the day people pay there cash to watch them so they have every right to sing what they want regarding Lowe. You didnt like the action taken against you then keep your opinions to yourself. Didnt mention you started on one the of the "idiots" at half time grabbing him and threatening him? he then threatened you and you shat your pants. Cheers for that, it's always good to hear both sides. He sounds very much like the mouthy cvnt sat behind me. If he did indeed grab and threaten a fellow fan before he was beaten up then it would seem he has no grounds for complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 I'd also advise that children aren't taken into the northam stand until the situation improves. The club will also have to pay for a for full police presence for all future games for this stand for safety reasons IMO. Your advise is spot on IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint boggy Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 dunno bout you lot, but is anyone else fu(kin depressed now???....i am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 FFS we're meant to support the same team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 dunno bout you lot, but is anyone else fu(kin depressed now???....i am Yes I am as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat from Poole Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 This is why I like the back of 42, the Lowe out songs were being sung, you could tell some people didn't like them, but hey.... they are not coming on here slagging them off. We were laughing at the plastics going missing and the pathetic attendance from kick-off, it is sad times being a Saints fan. The good thing about the 'left' side of 42 is you can say what the f*ck you want and you won't get much grief. Fair play to the few lads that got on the pitch, fair play to the 2-300 that went round to reception after, fair play to the lads who were fighting with each other during the game, people might slag them off, but it's better they got it sorted face to face rather than coming back and logging on to TSF to vent their anger. I am old enough to have seen the Branfoot days, this is worse though, ok you could argue that Lowe cannot do much about the situation now, but let's not forget that it was him that got us here in the first place. We got Branfoot out through passion and intimidation, the same can be done with Lowe and Wilde ( who in my opinion is worse ), if everyone sticks together. Absolutely f*cking fed up with SFC, I f*cking wish I could walk away, but I can't. I can completely understand why you might refer to a stayaway like me as a plastic, but I think the stayaways will ultimately have a lot more influence in removing Lowe than a pitch invasion (which I beleive is what he wants to happen so that he can slag off the vocal minority etc.) My possibly erratic memory of that astonishing season in 93/94 is that it wasn't the admirable efforts of Chorley, MacMillan and Foley to arrange a public show of anger in the East Stand after the amazing Newcastle game that ultimately did for Branfoot. It was the crowd of 9,000 against Ipswich a month or two later that sealed it, but then maybe that's because at the time a significant proportion of the board were accountants. I take my hat off to those who continue to go to games. Lowe's mind is so warped that he'll probably think you're supporting him personally rather than the team though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markr27 Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 Was that Itchen block 10? If so I saw a similar incident and the two supporters? were eventually escorted out although one of the blokes started having a go at the steward who looked like he was sh1tting himself. A few fans then tried to tell the idiot to hurry and go and his response was to stand by the stairway and offer fans out, he thought he was really hard offering to take on fellow supporters. I was some rows behind with my teenage son, saw exactly what you did, a tw*t named Steve and his boyfriend somewhere around row AA and seats 260 - 264. First they start on the granny, then on the middle aged guy with his family, finally walk up the steps to confront another middle aged bloke with his wife and offered him out. I was in block 10 row Y and the incident happened just to the left, one/two rows behind behind me One of the guys concerned was getting very abusive and it would appear the stewards in the locality took a while to get up to the situation, despite others located elsewhere noticing and watching it develop! There was one occasion when the guy got right in the lady's face and starting shouting abuse, and I mean he went nose-to-nose. She just sat back with a big smile, and pointed to the exit. Then he stood on the stairs to challenge anyone who wanted to take him on before the chorus of cheerio broke out in the block! It would also appear that someone had a go at JP? The two guys at the end were hilarious - one of them had the stewards beat before he almost collided with the other one! Another steward from the Itchen side joined in and took him out superbly and then they all piled in, somewhat heavy handed. I don't think the several stomps to the back of his kneecaps were necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loyal Saint Posted 17 January, 2009 Share Posted 17 January, 2009 I'd also advise that children aren't taken into the northam stand until the situation improves. The club will also have to pay for a for full police presence for all future games for this stand for safety reasons IMO. If its true that we've now got skate stewards in the ground as well then I suspect things could get a lot worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellow&blue Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 If its true that we've now got skate stewards in the ground as well then I suspect things could get a lot worse Yes it's true - they sometimes come and help in the away sections of the ground. We also get them in from Bournemouth too depending on the size of the away support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Mate no offence to you but at the end of the day people pay there cash to watch them so they have every right to sing what they want regarding Lowe. You didnt like the action taken against you then keep your opinions to yourself. Didnt mention you started on one the of the "idiots" at half time grabbing him and threatening him? he then threatened you and you shat your pants. If people have the right to sing anti lowe songs then other people have the right to shout their opinion against them, they shouldn't get punched for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Why do some Saints fans want to punch other Saints fans.We support the same team don't we? Come on guys,lets all try and stop this now before it gets out of hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 If people have the right to sing anti lowe songs then other people have the right to shout their opinion against them, they shouldn't get punched for it. It would seem that he got punched after he had earlier grabbed and threatened an anti Lowe singer. Didnt mention you started on one the of the "idiots" at half time grabbing him and threatening him? he then threatened you and you shat your pants. Therefore in my book he got what he deserved. I don't condone violence but he lived by the sword and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 It would seem that he got punched after he had earlier grabbed and threatened an anti Lowe singer. Therefore in my book he got what he deserved. I don't condone violence but he lived by the sword and all that. I hope there is more to it because I would be ****ed off if he was punched for just stating his opinion. But the Ian fellas logic is wrong, every ones paid their money so they are all entitled to voice their opinion; this doesn't apply to one section of fans over the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Wasn't the fighting that scared me, more the stampede which followed from the fans trying to get out of the way of two people fighting. They fell down quite a few rows, Stewards were **** and they did **** all. Stewards ARE ****! Where have you been the last 4-5 seasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I hope there is more to it because I would be ****ed off if he was punched for just stating his opinion. But the Ian fellas logic is wrong, every ones paid their money so they are all entitled to voice their opinion; this doesn't apply to one section of fans over the others. I can only talk from what i actually witnessed. Where i was in the Northam there was one person effing and blinding in an agressive way to people singing anti Lowe songs - calling them effing morons and such like. He was IMHO looking for confrontation. Is this acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorpe-le-Saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 To be fair, an increased police presence is just going make things worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 To be fair, an increased police presence is just going make things worse. Can't get much worse,can it!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Can't get much worse,can it!? I think you already know the answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I think you already know the answer to that. Unfortunately after today I think I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I sit in the Itchen. Seems that a 'gentleman' and friend stood up to protest about Lowe, the team or both. After a while an older lady behind asked for him to sit down. He the appeared to turn round and verbally slaughter the lady who was with an older gent and younger girl (daughter?) and then started rowing with other supporters and a steward You can support your team but F'ing and blinding at a female is the sign of a the moral decline of this once great club and country. The bloke was brandishing a season ticket. I am ashamed to be associated with such a moron!! I have no shame in admitting that at some point today I fcking lost it and gave some woman both barrels for asking me to sit down when I was singing for Lowe to go. The bloke and his son next to me were joining in and then some old guy had a pop at them. But what was fantastic was that ten minutes later we were all apologising to each other, slapping each other on the back and saying there was no malice in it, just pure, deep frustration at how low this Club has fallen. We may be divided on how and when to protest, but I don't think we are divided on the need for Jan and Lowe to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 That as well.why do you think I blame the fans, I believe the fans singing anti Lowe songs is detrimental to the performance.That is my opinion, and it divided the fans instead of focussing on the team. I can't agree with you one bit. For a start that shower of sh1t were 2 down before the most of the anti Lowe chanting started and then we got one back!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I have now reached the stage whereby I feel that anyone who still supports Mr Lowe and his "friends" just ought to be sectioned under the mental health act. How on earth can they still not realise how damaging Mr Lowe is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightspark Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 It can't be long now before Rupert Lowe is physically attacked. Someone will vent his anger a bit too much if they spot him out and about. It could get really nasty. In the ground as well, if things like this continue to happen, then something terrible happening is a possibility. A large punch and falling down a few stairs banging your head along hard floors and edges of seats. THERE COULD BE DEATHS. The club is a disaster. We need more media attention about our problems. Boycotts need to happen. Pitch invasions need to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtonesfc Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 A man in Northam challenged 10 to 15 idiots in the 1st half to get behind the team and not sing about that idiot Lowe. I also had a go at them about 10 minutes later (I actually do not want him here but came to support my beloved saints). It calmed down and at half time was ok., When we went 2-0 down they started again and as they left started trying to intimidate me and others around about Lowe and how right they were (as previously mentioned I agree but there is a time and place). While trying to get my point across I was punched in the face from behind from one of these cowards, on others seeing this they also reacted. I did not throw a single punch but do not know how I held myself back, but I won't lower myself to there level. I will not be going back to another game though as this situation has shown me that these idiots are worse than Lowe as even though he is just trying to protect his money with no care for the club these people are just there for violence not the football. I will miss it but today is the end. You pussy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I can only talk from what i actually witnessed. Where i was in the Northam there was one person effing and blinding in an agressive way to people singing anti Lowe songs - calling them effing morons and such like. He was IMHO looking for confrontation. Is this acceptable? I was in block 10 row Y and the incident happened just to the left, one/two rows behind behind me One of the guys concerned was getting very abusive and it would appear the stewards in the locality took a while to get up to the situation, despite others located elsewhere noticing and watching it develop! There was one occasion when the guy got right in the lady's face and starting shouting abuse, and I mean he went nose-to-nose. She just sat back with a big smile, and pointed to the exit. Then he stood on the stairs to challenge anyone who wanted to take him on before the chorus of cheerio broke out in the block! Following the highlighted part of your post and you quoting he was looking for confrontation, is this acceptable? Do you think the following post was also acceptable given the age of the supporters who had to witness this thuggery from some anti-Lowe so called supporters. These so called supporters who after giving lots of verbal and fist signs against lifelong saints fans wanted to take all of us on in the Itchen block10. Do you think that is acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobbo Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 The "mob" as you describe it is made up of the anti Lowe and pro Lowe faction of our divided fanbase. I think the incident in the Northam was a pro Lower being smacked up for gobbing off at fans singing the anti Lowe chants, but the threatening where i was sat was from a pro Lower telling everyone to shut up. He was losing it and i expected him to kick off at any moment. Basically our fanbase is heading for civil war and for that reason Lowe must go asap before the situation in the stands gets very nasty. I was the one punched without throwing one back, as I said before I DO NOT LIKE LOWE but want to support my team I will demonstrate after. Have you not yet worked out why we have more points away from home yet!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katalinic Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Yes - Poortvliet tries to use the same set up and tactics at home but because away teams set their stall up differently they don't work - and he has no Plan B - does that answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Following the highlighted part of your post and you quoting he was looking for confrontation, is this acceptable? Do you think the following post was also acceptable given the age of the supporters who had to witness this thuggery from some anti-Lowe so called supporters. These so called supporters who after giving lots of verbal and fist signs against lifelong saints fans wanted to take all of us on in the Itchen block10. Do you think that is acceptable? Whilst I am completely against any sort of violence in this environment. Do you think having any support for Rupert Lowe is acceptable Warwick? How did your beloved McGoldrick perform yesterday? still think he is worthy of a place do you? The Lowe Luvvies are at fault for the demise of this club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 The "mob" as you describe it is made up of the anti Lowe and pro Lowe faction of our divided fanbase. I think the incident in the Northam was a pro Lower being smacked up for gobbing off at fans singing the anti Lowe chants, but the threatening where i was sat was from a pro Lower telling everyone to shut up. He was losing it and i expected him to kick off at any moment. Basically our fanbase is heading for civil war and for that reason Lowe must go asap before the situation in the stands gets very nasty. That was exactlly what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Neil Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 ... The two guys at the end were hilarious - one of them had the stewards beat before he almost collided with the other one! Another steward from the Itchen side joined in and took him out superbly and then they all piled in, somewhat heavy handed. I don't think the several stomps to the back of his kneecaps were necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 got the biggest cheer of the day I think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I have now reached the stage whereby I feel that anyone who still supports Mr Lowe and his "friends" just ought to be sectioned under the mental health act. How on earth can they still not realise how damaging Mr Lowe is ? Thanks for making me smile this morning. Unfortunately or not, I agree with you 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 There is absolutely no point in singing 'anti-Lowe' songs at the end, thats just self defeating, its like shouting for the lifeboats when the water is up to your neck! A point and a presense needs to be made consistenly to be eefctive and that includes when we are winning. I think the supportat SMS this season has been incredible, I can;t think of one instance when we turnen on the team or even the manager. And yet we have won ONE game, this surely contricts the argument that protest chantinbg would be detrimental to the team. And besides, these like all other players play to their strengths not the support, if you're good enough you'll win, have anyone ever been to Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge or The Emitates? Intimidating? Hardly. Best teams, by a mile. Hate to say it, really do, but the hardcore down the road make a loud noise, and they're great aren't they? No, not really. So I for one will not feel guilty in venting my frustrations at anytime during the game, the result is one thing but we have to worry about 'the Bigger Picture'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 about 200-300 gathered outside of players entrance chanting Lowe out etc. THe blinds were then all closed. Didn't see Lowe in his seat today. Rupert was in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 I was the one punched without throwing one back, as I said before I DO NOT LIKE LOWE but want to support my team I will demonstrate after. Have you not yet worked out why we have more points away from home yet!!!!!!!!! Well i now know the situation surrounding the incident and quite frankly what have you got to complain about? You thought you were the big hard man by picking on someone smaller than you and got a big suprise. I did not throw a single punch but do not know how I held myself back. You are so full of **** it's unreal. You had no chance of throwing a punch back even if you'd wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommi Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 At least you deaf folk don't have to listen to it!! I lol'd and still am...:-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanthemanfairoak Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 did anyone deck stanley ?why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 Most of the above does make sad reading, threads about the old days and a bit of "naughtiness" are frowned on, at leat we had a go at our rivals not each other. But the idiots that dimiss those days are causing us to fight amongst ourselves, how ****ing sad has it got! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 18 January, 2009 Share Posted 18 January, 2009 It was pretty bleak. Couldnt believe my eyes to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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