Dusan Tadic to Ajax - Undisclosed (£10M)

[Tamesaint]

Ludicrously cheap. Sounds about right

 

 

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You have changed your tune since Monday and your postings on the Shaqiri thread.

 

Anyone would think you were a troll if they didn't know better

[Dusic]

FAO Mosin - have a lie down.

 

FAO those who are sayings its ok if we replace him well - look at the Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Mane, Pelle, Fonte and VVD replacements.

 

I have zero faith in Ross and Les to replace what Tadic brings, within our budget.

 

That is more of a concern than the actual act of selling our only good attacker.

[Mosin]

FAO Mosin - have a lie down.

 

FAO those who are sayings its ok if we replace him well - look at the Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Mane, Pelle, Fonte and VVD replacements.

 

I have zero faith in Ross and Les to replace what Tadic brings, within our budget.

 

That is more of a concern than the actual act of selling our only good attacker.

 

I think I would rather some prospects at the club get given a go eg Sims, we don't have a bad team, just badly managed for 2 seasons, Tadic has shown this season and last that he isn't the man given how we set up to favour the forwards yet they played rubbish all season but last few games.

 

 

Tadic is are best attacking player, but he is also the worst when he CBA which is a lot of the time.

 

 

I think Sims will do a good job, but I got a funny feeling its gonna be Redmond / boufal fighting for left with JWP Redmond and Boufal ( Unless he leaves ofc ) fighting for right wing too. might get a player in, but I don't think he will be first choice player, more like a prospect which will annoy me as I think Sims deserves a chance.

[CB Fry]

Of course we won't sell until we've signed up a replacement because that's what Spartak Moscow do and that was patiently explained to us that this is how these things work when a club wants to sign another club's player.

 

That's right, isn't it?

Edited 21 June, 2018 by CB Fry

[Saint-Fred]

JWP 1779 min prem league scored 3 goals, ( only 20 starts ) scored 3 goals, played 1179 mins less than Tadic

Assists 3

Passes 747

Passes per match 24.90

Big chances created 8

Crosses 159

Cross accuracy % 23%

Through balls 0

Accurate long balls 18

Goals 3

Goals per match 0.10

Headed goals 0

Goals with right foot 3

Goals with left foot 0

Penalties scored 0

Freekicks scored 1

Shots 28

Shots on target 14

Shooting accuracy % 50%

Hit woodwork 1

Big chances missed 1

 

Tackles 23

Tackle success % 70%

Blocked shots 7

Interceptions 8

Clearances 18

Headed Clearance 14

Recoveries 98

Duels won 61

Duels lost 102

Successful 50/50s 5

Aerial battles won 21

Aerial battles lost 50

Errors leading to goal 0

 

 

Taidc 2896 min 6 goals scored ( 1 from penalty spot, but also missed 2 during the season ) so lets just say 5 goals as penalty should not be included. played 1179 mins more than JWP and started 37 of are 38 games Assists 3

Passes 1,111

Passes per match 30.86

Big chances created 8 ( Same as JWP over the course of the season despite playing an extra 1179 more mins HAHAHAHAHA )

Crosses 121 ( Less than JWP )

Cross accuracy % 23% ( Same as JWP even though he did far less...… )

Through balls 14

Accurate long balls 33 ( should be more as had more mins on pitch )

Goals 6

Goals per match 0.17

Headed goals 0

Goals with right foot 0

Goals with left foot 6

Penalties scored 1

Freekicks scored 0

Shots 40

Shots on target 16

Shooting accuracy % 40%

Hit woodwork 0

Big chances missed 4

Tackles 46

Tackle success % 63%

Blocked shots 10

Interceptions 19

Clearances 18

Headed Clearance 5

Recoveries 140

Duels won 159

Duels lost 189

Successful 50/50s 55

Aerial battles won 8

Aerial battles lost 42

Errors leading to goal 1

 

 

Stats don't lie, overall JWP is the better player.

 

Where do I start?

 

So JWP didn't score 5 goals as you stated?

 

And you can't take goals off Tadic because one was a penalty? Are you saying we have to take all MLT's penalties off his record?

 

You are mental...

 

Tadic had a better goals per minute than JWP..end of...

[Mosin]

Where do I start?

 

So JWP didn't score 5 goals as you stated?

 

And you can't take goals off Tadic because one was a penalty? Are you saying we have to take all MLT's penalties off his record?

 

You are mental...

 

Tadic had a better goals per minute than JWP..end of...

 

its an official game, weather its for EPL 2 or EPL 1, its official counted by EPL website, you know the English FA? the main ppl of the competition?, its on the database for it on the EPL stats website, they count it, I took them stats off transfermarket.com which don't include all official games, just the prem games.

 

 

Officially JWP has a goal pm of 0.21 % due to his extra 2 goals not included on the transfer market site but is on the official EPL site. Tadic only has a better GPG cause he scored more in the league.

 

A players season total is taken from all official games, European, league or cup, don't matter, they all count to the final count, if its done in an official competition which the EPL 2 is.

[Dan Johnson]

I'd have driven Tadic to Amsterdam myself at some points last season, he was that terrible on occasions!

 

He has struggled the last two seasons, of course you can argue that he has been badly managed and his form in the last few games of the season would suggest that.

 

However at 30 this year and his inconsistency over the last two seasons i'm not too disappointed to see the back of him, he wont improve, he's likely to get more inconsistent as he ages too, I accept that him leaving will leave a hole in the squad that will need replacing with a senior pro, maybe Jack Wilshire?

[hackedoff]

Will reserve judgement until I see what team we have for the first game of the season. However it appears that the idiots running the club will never learn.

[Chez]

what the **** is EPL 1 and 2?

[Cabbage_Face]

Done with half the clowns in our club, seriously stop selling our most gifted players and hoping our ****e academy can replace them. Won’t work.

 

 

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[suewhistle]

Most fans would be happy as he is lazy and crap, Jwp is better in their eyes.

 

Speak for yourself, don't presume to speak for others.

[Cabbage_Face]

He did under MP and RK and was in his best form during his time too and was clearly a lot younger and behind in the pecking order as the players he was fighting against for places now play at champions league cup finalists while Tadic is to join big power house like Ajax who are now an EU youth development team.

 

 

Really...…

 

 

Like its bad Tadic and Redmond never got dropped when every body even fans at the stadium moaned and groaned about team selections, but its ok, ppl only remember the last 3 games that Tadic did when he put a tiny bit of effort in, rest of the season he is all forgiven for.....

 

 

No remembers when JWP come off bench replacing tadic setting up a goal and scoring. Or coming of the bench and setting up 2 goals while Redmond and tadic had a hole game and failed to even create 1 clear chance, ppl only remember the last 3 games where Tadic all on his own ( ofc no other players played just Tadic ) that's all ppl remember. but having been to pretty much 99 % of games at home and away last season ( only 6 games I didn't attend, I can tell you know, Tadic was rubbish for 90 % of the season and last, And we looked better every time JWP was on the pitch.

 

He didn’t start under RK, as Tadic was an RK signing. If he did they both played. You are clearly JWPs agent. No point arguing with typical English football fan who prefer someone who charges about for 90 minutes and has no technical ability over someone perceived as lazy and has tons of technical ability. Utterly stupid.

 

 

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[Cabbage_Face]

Speak for yourself, don't presume to speak for others.

 

I was joking but sadly some people think this

 

 

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[Mosin]

I'd have driven Tadic to Amsterdam myself at some points last season, he was that terrible on occasions!

 

He has struggled the last two seasons, of course you can argue that he has been badly managed and his form in the last few games of the season would suggest that.

 

However at 30 this year and his inconsistency over the last two seasons i'm not too disappointed to see the back of him, he wont improve, he's likely to get more inconsistent as he ages too, I accept that him leaving will leave a hole in the squad that will need replacing with a senior pro, maybe Jack Wilshire?

 

This is my point, well the one im trying to make, Every one says this excuse for Tadic " He has struggled the last two seasons, of course you can argue that he has been badly managed and his form in the last few games of the season would suggest that. " But don't apply it to JWP, how do we know how well JWP will play under a better manager? I mean the few times I seen him play under MH, he came on and he was pretty good, against man city he was are best midfield / forward player according to the ratings.

 

 

Tadic on his day is miles better than JWP, but over the last two season, I dispute that he is better, and this season I would have had JWP on the pitch far more than I would have Tadic cause of his form and Tadic is meant to be at his peak age, he should be enjoying his best football for the last couple of season but has degraded, JWP on the other side is getting better and better, his development has slowed a bit, but how much of that is down to the managers? I thought JWP had a solid season by his standards and progressed on his previous season even though we had a bad manager, Tadic goes from a top top player putting in MOTM performances assisting and scoring good goals with brilliant pieces of magic, to a dismal season where he looked a shadow of his former self and over the last two seasons

[Mosin]

He didn’t start under RK, as Tadic was an RK signing. If he did they both played. You are clearly JWPs agent. No point arguing with typical English football fan who prefer someone who charges about for 90 minutes and has no technical ability over someone perceived as lazy and has tons of technical ability. Utterly stupid.

 

 

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striking a ball to perfection is an technical ability, its a rather rare one too with not many free kick specialists around.

 

Some ppl go to world cups and become the greatest every players for there dead ball ability's.

 

Think yo need to remember dribbling is not the only technical ability needed in football.

[Lighthouse]

This is my point, well the one im trying to make, Every one says this excuse for Tadic " He has struggled the last two seasons, of course you can argue that he has been badly managed and his form in the last few games of the season would suggest that. " But don't apply it to JWP, how do we know how well JWP will play under a better manager? I mean the few times I seen him play under MH, he came on and he was pretty good, against man city he was are best midfield / forward player according to the ratings.

 

Because JWP has played under a better manager on many occasions and looked little better than average. If Adkins, Pochettino and Koeman couldn't get a consistent performance out of him in 4 years, I doubt he ever will.

[Saint86]

striking a ball to perfection is an technical ability, its a rather rare one too with not many free kick specialists around.

 

Some ppl go to world cups and become the greatest every players for there dead ball ability's.

 

Think yo need to remember dribbling is not the only technical ability needed in football.

 

I was going to respond to you but just can't. Never heard of you on this forum previously and you've been here since 2015 so that is a pretty low profile. However your attitude of just shouting everyone else down while spouting heavily biased sh1te is insufferable. One of the quickest ever posters to hit my ignore list.

 

To say that selling Tadic (for half what it will cost to replace him) is a good thing is mental. And we're not even talking about the impact this will have on the dressing room or our prospective targets. Absolute shipwreck of a summer so far. We didn't even bag his replacement in Madison.

 

And FYI, whilst you're banging on about JPW on this thread, the actual replacement for Tadic in our starting 11 will be Redmond or Boufal. Both are no where near his level.

 

Goodbye.

[Cabbage_Face]

striking a ball to perfection is an technical ability, its a rather rare one too with not many free kick specialists around.

 

Some ppl go to world cups and become the greatest every players for there dead ball ability's.

 

Think yo need to remember dribbling is not the only technical ability needed in football.

 

When has JWP constantly struck a ball to perfection? In a Sure promo video? If he was that good he would be a starter or playing for England every game.

 

He isn’t a dead ball specialist at all, a funky run up doesn’t mean this.

 

He is an ordinary English midfielder. If Tadic was English he would be in the England team and one of our better players, no doubt about that.

 

 

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[Saint86]

When has JWP constantly struck a ball to perfection? In a Sure promo video? If he was that good he would be a starter or playing for England every game.

 

He isn’t a dead ball specialist at all, a funky run up doesn’t mean this.

 

He is an ordinary English midfielder. If Tadic was English he would be in the England team and one of our better players, no doubt about that.

 

 

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Why are you arguing with him. He is either a troll, a footballing philistine, or some drunkard that everyone got bored of listening to down the pub so he turned up here. Just ignore.

[Cabbage_Face]

Why are you arguing with him. He is either a troll, a footballing philistine, or some drunkard that everyone got bored of listening to down the pub so he turned up here. Just ignore.

 

Good point, he seems the sort that would love 10 Benali’s trying really hard.

 

 

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[doddisalegend]

I've always been a fan of Tadic I always amazed he got so much stick on here. Quite strange reading this thread to find out the act of him leaving has taken him from the player everyone liked to moan about (only slightly less than Redmond) to our best player who is all but unreplaceable..

[OttawaSaint]

I've always been a fan of Tadic I always amazed he got so much stick on here. Quite strange reading this thread to find out the act of him leaving has taken him from the player everyone liked to moan about (only slightly less than Redmond) to our best player who is all but unreplaceable..

 

He'll have some great company. Pelle, Wanyama, Mane etc.

[benjii]

I think I would rather some prospects at the club get given a go eg Sims, we don't have a bad team, just badly managed for 2 seasons, Tadic has shown this season and last that he isn't the man given how we set up to favour the forwards yet they played rubbish all season but last few games.

 

 

Tadic is are best attacking player, but he is also the worst when he CBA which is a lot of the time.

 

 

I think Sims will do a good job, but I got a funny feeling its gonna be Redmond / boufal fighting for left with JWP Redmond and Boufal ( Unless he leaves ofc ) fighting for right wing too. might get a player in, but I don't think he will be first choice player, more like a prospect which will annoy me as I think Sims deserves a chance.

 

You say we don't have a bad team but who in our squad is a genuine "top half" player? By that I mean someone who is a cut above the average PL standard.

 

Bertrand

Cedric - debatable

Lemina

Tadic

 

That's it. The rest are average or bottom third standard.

[tajjuk]

FAO Mosin - have a lie down.

 

FAO those who are sayings its ok if we replace him well - look at the Schneiderlin, Wanyama, Mane, Pelle, Fonte and VVD replacements.

 

I have zero faith in Ross and Les to replace what Tadic brings, within our budget.

 

That is more of a concern than the actual act of selling our only good attacker.

 

Those were basically our best players at the top of their games at the time (aside VVD's last 6 months which were pointless), Tadic is IMO neither, aside an ok last 4-5 games the last two years he has been poor and has been IMO getting in the team on reputation rather than form.

 

He is replaceable because he has not been that good, like I said in the last page his goal record is 1 in 7 for a player that has consistently started in attacking positions and for a team that until this year was top 6-8.

[saint77]

Let’s be honest 90% of this forum couldn’t understand why he started every game

Apart from the last 5 games he’s been poor for the last 18 months

15/18 million for a 30 year old is good business

[Batman]

Let’s be honest 90% of this forum couldn’t understand why he started every game

Apart from the last 5 games he’s been poor for the last 18 months

15/18 million for a 30 year old is good business

 

that is why we were a game away from relegation

[beatlesaint]

Where’s the Kenyan guy with his love and light gone ? I was looking forward to his ITK pearls of bullish....I mean wisdom ?

[for_heaven's_Saint]

15/18 million for a 30 year old is good business

 

It is if you replace him and stay up. It’s not if you sell him amongst others, get no other quality in and get relegated, which is what o can see happening.

[doddisalegend]

You say we don't have a bad team but who in our squad is a genuine "top half" player? By that I mean someone who is a cut above the average PL standard.

 

Bertrand

Cedric - debatable

Lemina

Tadic

 

That's it. The rest are average or bottom third standard.

 

I'm not sure those four are either especially based on last season.

[saint lard]

We best be lining up Ziyech or somebody decent as a replacement....

 

Sisto.

 

 

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[Toadhall Saint]

Sisto.

 

 

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First time I’ve seen him play today. Looked good.

[St Marco]

Mosin I think you have the wrong stats. These are the official opta stats per individuals average for 90 mins of play for the 17/18 PL season.

I can't be arsed to type them all out so have selected a few.

 

Passing stats

 

Total passes per 90 mins

Tadic: 35.5

JWP: 39.2

 

Successful long ball passes

Tadic: 1.1

JWP: 0.9

 

Unsuccessful Longball passes

Tadic: 1.2

JWP: 1.8

 

Key short passes

Tadic: 1.5

JWP: 1.1

 

Successful dribbles per game

Tadic: 1.8

JWP: 0.3

 

Defensive

Shots blocked

both 0.1

 

Interceptions

Tadic: 0.6

JWP: 0.4

 

Tackles

Attempted tackles

Tadic: 2.2

JWP: 2.5

 

Successful tackles

Tadic: 1.5

JWP: 1.2

 

Dribbled past

Tadic: 0.8

JWP: 1.3

 

Header battles won

Tadic: 0.3

JWP: 1.1

 

Header battles lost

Tadic: 1.3

JWP: 2.6

 

There are hundreds of them and would be here all day posting them.

 

They are all per 90 mins each player has played and only in the PL.

[suewhistle]

I was joking but sadly some people think this

 

 

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You may have been joking but it's still a strawman argument.

[Forester]

Despite the odd disappointing game, which goes with the trade for flair players, Tadic has been one of my favourite players of recent years. If you add his goals and assists over four seasons it’s a good track record that is up there with the best.

 

Will be really sorry to see him go, feels like a season too soon. Shaquiri I think is 5 years younger and if we can land him would be decent replacement

[SuperSAINT]

Despite the odd disappointing game, which goes with the trade for flair players, Tadic has been one of my favourite players of recent years. If you add his goals and assists over four seasons it’s a good track record that is up there with the best.

 

Will be really sorry to see him go, feels like a season too soon. Shaquiri I think is 5 years younger and if we can land him would be decent replacement

 

Shaqiri really is the obvious choice.

[captainchris]

I'd have driven Tadic to Amsterdam myself at some points last season, he was that terrible on occasions!

 

He has struggled the last two seasons, of course you can argue that he has been badly managed and his form in the last few games of the season would suggest that.

 

However at 30 this year and his inconsistency over the last two seasons i'm not too disappointed to see the back of him, he wont improve, he's likely to get more inconsistent as he ages too, I accept that him leaving will leave a hole in the squad that will need replacing with a senior pro, maybe Jack Wilshire?

 

Jack bloody Wiltshire !!!!

A completely different player. Tadic has more skill in his big toe that the master pretender Wiltshire...

[St_Tel49]

I genuinely cannot understand how you think this is correct. Release clause means we have to accept a bid that meets it. We cannot turn that bid down. If he wants to go and club meets clause, he’s off. If another club wanted to pay say £25m, we would accept that bid too (as it is in excess of the release clause) and then Tadic then chooses which club to go to. I cannot think of a good reason why any club would offer more than the release clause though? If you have extra cash, give more to Tadic in wages and signing bonus to convince him to join you over rivals.

Yes we can if someone else offers more.

[Lighthouse]

Yes we can if someone else offers more.

 

No we can't.

[Unbelievable Jeff]

Yes we can if someone else offers more.

 

No you can't, you just accept both.

[Micky]

Nothing about a release clause here, just states a fee of 15 million was suggested. Room for negotiation up as well.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/21/dusan-tadic-leave-southampton-join-ajax-clubs-begin-negotiating/

 

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[stevy777_x]

Nothing about a release clause here, just states a fee of 15 million was suggested. Room for negotiation up as well.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/06/21/dusan-tadic-leave-southampton-join-ajax-clubs-begin-negotiating/

 

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So more like 18m, that would soften the blow a little bit.

Wish we could bring in players before we start selling ours, it would gives a better bargaining position.

[Matthew Le God]

Not sure why many are comparing JWP to Tadic. I would be comparing Tadic to Shaqiri.

 

Is that a hint Shaqiri is possibly on his way to Saints?

[angelman]

Not sure why many are comparing JWP to Tadic. I would be comparing Tadic to Shaqiri.

 

Might be my fault as I mentioned it tongue in cheek.

[CityRanger]

It is. Swapping a 29 year old for a 26 year old and making £5m profit is right up our street. Hughes wants more of a winger and a no.10 (who knows where the back of the net is)

 

Moneyball over football then. I’d take Shaqiri but Redmond or Boufal should be shown the door, it’s about the 11 on the pitch for fans.

[Badger]

Moneyball over football then. I’d take Shaqiri but Redmond or Boufal should be shown the door, it’s about the 11 on the pitch for fans.

 

Thought Boufal would be on his way.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I get the fact that Tadic has an expiry date on the back of his shirt...but he’s been a good player for the most part and pretty loyal which is a rare commodity now. The problem is that leaving Redmond and Boufal in the squad and then replacing Tadic with lesser quality is a massive mistake and one that has been prevalent for too many seasons now. I don’t think Shaquri is a bad player but I’m not sure he has enough to improve the squad to the point where we’re not struggling against relegation.

[Mr Saints]

What a **** decision this will be. Our only creative player ushered toward the exit door becuase he is approaching 30. Truly depressing.

[ashnats]

You say we don't have a bad team but who in our squad is a genuine "top half" player? By that I mean someone who is a cut above the average PL standard.

 

Bertrand

Cedric - debatable

Lemina

Tadic

 

That's it. The rest are average or bottom third standard.

 

Top half? I would say;

 

McCarthy

Cedric

Hoedt

Bertrand

Jwp

Lemina

Romeu

Tadic

gabbi

Redmond

 

They are all above average premier. I’m not saying they are very good players, but I think there is a lot of dross in the other teams that we just ignore. If you look at a list of premier league players, and remove the top 5 teams, we have as many top players as anyone.

[beatlesaint]

From that Telegraph article -

 

"Hughes and recruitment chief Ross Wilson now working on several potential deals that they hope to progress next week."

 

About bloody time !

[simo]

Top half? I would say;

 

McCarthy

Cedric

Hoedt

Bertrand

Jwp

Lemina

Romeu

Tadic

gabbi

Redmond

 

They are all above average premier. I’m not saying they are very good players, but I think there is a lot of dross in the other teams that we just ignore. If you look at a list of premier league players, and remove the top 5 teams, we have as many top players as anyone.

 

Nothing at all says to me that Hoedt is "Above average" , He was very poor last year and cost us loads of goals !