Dusan Tadic to Ajax - Undisclosed (£10M)

[Matthew Le God]

Les Reed wasn't mentioned, strange when his name is usually the first one mentioned in these telegraph puff pieces.

 

Nor were any scouts, yet they'd also be involved in the discussion. So it is clearly not a full list.

[S-Clarke]

Nor were any scouts, yet they'd also be involved in the discussion. So it is clearly not a full list.

 

I know what he means though, you'd usually see ''Les Reed and the clubs head of Recruitment are working with the manager to secure new signings'' etc. For a Jeremy Wilson puff piece to not mention Reed is interesting, maybe he's slid off via the back door hoping no one will notice.

[Toadhall Saint]

Why? Head of recruitment and 1st team manager listed. That is what you'd expect.

 

Do I need to spell it out? No mention of LR. Now that’s either deliberate or this board is totally wrong in who is to blame for perceived failings in the last xx transfer windows.

[Cabbage_Face]

I hope we keep him, the thought up JWP as our attacking midfielder give me nightmares.

 

 

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[Mosin]

I hope we keep him, the thought up JWP as our attacking midfielder give me nightmares.

 

 

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I know right, did you see how many more assits the legend Tadic got more than JWP I mean the dude destroyed him

[davefizzy14]

I hope we keep him, the thought up JWP as our attacking midfielder give me nightmares.

 

 

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This is what I am praying and hoping for too. Our most creative attacking force. Dusan please stay with us

[Colinjb]

Are we still interested in Rogic? Looks handy v Denmark and would be a logical replacement for Tadic.

[Matthew Le God]

Are we still interested in Rogic? Looks handy v Denmark and would be a logical replacement for Tadic.

 

He signed a new 5 year contract on 17th May 2018.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44160537

[James]

I know right, did you see how many more assits the legend Tadic got more than JWP I mean the dude destroyed him

 

We had a poor season for sure but anyone who is comfortable with JWP as our main chance creator (as I bet the club will be) is absolutely out of their mind.

[Cabbage_Face]

I know right, did you see how many more assits the legend Tadic got more than JWP I mean the dude destroyed him

 

Anyone that thinks JWP is a footballer needs help. Utter pap.

 

Dead ball specialist illusion. His level is League one.

 

 

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[Colinjb]

He signed a new 5 year contract on 17th May 2018.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44160537

 

As we know well, that just means the price has gone up.

[James]

Just typical to wait until the renewal deadline to sell a key player. Disingenuous.

[Mosin]

We had a poor season for sure but anyone who is comfortable with JWP as our main chance creator (as I bet the club will be) is absolutely out of their mind.

 

But yet had less game time than Jack Wilshire and out scored and assisted more than him to but you lot want him? You don't make sense, JWP does his job, thing is, we don't play to his strength's. for some one who played in the same crap team with same crap managers with half the game time as super man tadic, JWP is fairly level on goals and assists with him..... he cant be a great player if he is struggle to out perform JWP by a huge margin...……………….

 

 

If JWP had same mins as Tadic would he have assisted and scored more goals? hard to say, but going by his season stats he would have 4 more goals and 3 more assists which would put him level on tadic with goals but assisted more.. see how stats are good? I mean super tadic with just under 4 x more play time than crappy none league JWP couldn't destroy him on assist and goals... maybe your being a bit to harsh on JWP whilst letting the awefullness of tadic slip by cause of his random magical moments which is bound to happen when you NEVER get dropped.

[Cabbage_Face]

But yet had less game time than Jack Wilshire and out scored and assisted more than him to but you lot want him? You don't make sense, JWP does his job, thing is, we don't play to his strength's. for some one who played in the same crap team with same crap managers with half the game time as super man tadic, JWP is fairly level on goals and assists with him..... he cant be a great player if he is struggle to out perform JWP by a huge margin...……………….

 

 

If JWP had same mins as Tadic would he have assisted and scored more goals? hard to say, but going by his season stats he would have 4 more goals and 3 more assists which would put him level on tadic with goals but assisted more.. see how stats are good? I mean super tadic with just under 4 x more play time than crappy none league JWP couldn't destroy him on assist and goals... maybe your being a bit to harsh on JWP whilst letting the awefullness of tadic slip by cause of his random magical moments which is bound to happen when you NEVER get dropped.

 

Tadic isn’t awful, just mismanaged terribly under last two managers. Reason why he “never” gets dropped because he is our most technically gifted player and can creat random brilliant moments. Where as JWP can do none of this, but because he is “one of our own” it elevates him to the giddy heights of world beater. Just another failed England u21 midfielder.

 

 

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[saintrich]

Elyounoussi would be an ideal replacement, but being linked with Leicester.

[tajjuk]

IIRC Tadic last season and maybe even the season before was up there as the guy who missed the most 'expected goals' basically he fluffed most chances that came his way, so those defending him saying it's manager misuse, that does not excuse his misses.

 

He is a forward basically, that has either played in AML/AMR or AMC type positions and has 23 goals for us in 162. 1 in 7 basically, only marginally better than Redmon's goal record for us and he probably has far less starts.

 

I am really not that bothered, we can do better and his value is only going to drop.

 

We should however be looking at buying some Ajax players instead and offering Tadic as part of the deal. Like De Ligt, Dolberg, Van de Beek, Neres and Ziyech.

[James]

But yet had less game time than Jack Wilshire and out scored and assisted more than him to but you lot want him? You don't make sense, JWP does his job, thing is, we don't play to his strength's. for some one who played in the same crap team with same crap managers with half the game time as super man tadic, JWP is fairly level on goals and assists with him..... he cant be a great player if he is struggle to out perform JWP by a huge margin...……………….

 

 

If JWP had same mins as Tadic would he have assisted and scored more goals? hard to say, but going by his season stats he would have 4 more goals and 3 more assists which would put him level on tadic with goals but assisted more.. see how stats are good? I mean super tadic with just under 4 x more play time than crappy none league JWP couldn't destroy him on assist and goals... maybe your being a bit to harsh on JWP whilst letting the awefullness of tadic slip by cause of his random magical moments which is bound to happen when you NEVER get dropped.

 

Jack Wilshere a) is hardly Arsenal'a main man (as JWP would be if we are comparing him to Tadic) and b) doesn't even play in the same position.

[Charlie Wayman]

The Death of a Thousand Cuts.

[OttawaSaint]

Has he gone yet?

[qwertyell]

The Death of a Thousand Cuts.

There aren't that many SW posters.

 

Oh, you said cuts...

 

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[Saint-Fred]

It would be so typical of us to sell before we buy and then be left with either no replacement (like when we sold VVD) or a last minute purchase of some really ****e player (like Carillo).

 

I can't see anything positive in Gao's reign yet. Those taking a massive bid for Maddison as a sign of things to come are deluded, we still will spend less than we have sold in the last few years. We don't get our first choice targets as we won't or can't pay the going rate.

We will in most likelihood end up with fifth or sixth choice targets-if we get anyone at all (we will then tell everyone they are our first choice though)

We have had a poor two years and we have (IMO) absolutely no idea how to turn it around.

[OttawaSaint]

There aren't that many SW posters.

 

Oh, you said cuts...

 

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[Cabbage_Face]

Terrible decision . Club is a mess.

 

 

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[SuperSAINT]

Agreed.

 

@AdamBlackmore: After four years of his football and his company, I will be sad to see Dušan Tadić leave #saintsfc

 

If & when the deal to Ajax is completed, Saints will have lost their best creative talent - a player who Mark Hughes praised a lot last season.

 

Dušan is also a genuine nice guy

[Saint Benali]

Classic Les Reed and co.

 

Make your weakest area even weaker. All it takes now is to get in Jack Wheelchair on a monster contract and the madness is complete.

 

But good luck to Dusan. Played a huge part in the seasons where we played attacking football before Les decided ultra defensive football was the future. Sad to see him go.

[PeteCampbell]

Thank him for his service but happy to see him leave. Extremely frustrating player whose heart is so often not in it.

[LGTL]

Season Ticket renewal deadline tomorrow, just before the yearly sales begin. They get it spot on every year.

[Cabbage_Face]

Gutted. Hope we have a decent replacement lined up..........lol

 

 

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[Greenridge]

Was Maddison the intended replacement?

[Heisenberg]

Gutted. Hope we have a decent replacement lined up..........lol

 

 

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What about that chap at Liverpool? Adam Lallana

[Mosin]

Tadic is bad, he misses far more than he score's, he messes up more crosses / through balls than most the team, losses possession the most, crys like a baby the most when a gust of winds flicks his hair, moans at other players the most even though he is the one that messes up the most, slows play down the most, never makes the obvious pass or the simple option instead has to do a thousand boring step overs then lose possession.....

 

JWP has better pass %, better long range pass %, better cross completion %, better shot on target ratio, loses possession the least of all are mids.…….. has the best set piece in the team and is the best English free taker as shown by the dross that are currently doing it for England at Russia!!, but its ok, keep slagging the dude, every one knows he is no Ronaldo or Xavi, no one says he is, but he is a better consistent player than the crap that's leaving for 15 million, what a cheap price for some one you all think is SO GOD DAM GOOD!!!!! ) performs better over the season.

 

 

Bet you JWP wont leave for rubbish transfer fee like the one Tadic is going to leave for.

 

 

 

Just wanted to add, that on his day Tadic is good, much better than any one else in team at creating chances, problem is, these good and bad performances are to far apart and we have had / get more bad than good which shows in his amazing statistics for us last season and season before.

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[Saint Albert]

Was Maddison the intended replacement?

 

Who knows what’s going on. Tadic is a proven PL performer with a decent fitness record. He needs to be replaced by a proven performer with a decent fitness record, not someone with potential, or a benchwarmer at a big club or someone with a poor injury record.

[Cabbage_Face]

Tadic is bad, he misses far more than he score's, he messes up more crosses / through balls than most the team, losses possession the most, crys like a baby the most when a gust of winds flicks his hair, moans at other players the most even though he is the one that messes up the most, slows play down the most, never makes the obvious pass or the simple option instead has to do a thousand boring step overs then lose possession.....

 

JWP has better pass %, better long range pass %, better cross completion %, better shot on target ratio, loses possession the least of all are mids.…….. has the best set piece in the team and is the best English free taker as shown by the dross that are currently doing it for England at Russia!!, but its ok, keep slagging the dude, every one knows he is no Ronaldo or Xavi, no one says he is, but he is a better consistent player than the crap that's leaving for 15 million, what a cheap price for some one you all think is SO GOD DAM GOOD!!!!! ) performs better over the season.

 

 

Bet you JWP wont leave for rubbish transfer fee like the one Tadic is going to leave for.

 

So why has JWP not constantly been picked by 5 managers? Jwp would never sign for a team of Ajax stature. You’ll find out next season if JWP is any good now.

 

 

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[SuperSAINT]

Who did Twente sign to replace Tadic after we signed him?

 

Asking for a friend.

[Cabbage_Face]

Who did Twente sign to replace Tadic after we signed him?

 

Asking for a friend.

 

They were in for JWP. Couldn’t match the £135 million price tag.

 

 

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[Mosin]

So why has JWP not constantly been picked by 5 managers? Jwp would never sign for a team of Ajax stature. You’ll find out next season if JWP is any good now.

 

 

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He did under MP and RK and was in his best form during his time too and was clearly a lot younger and behind in the pecking order as the players he was fighting against for places now play at champions league cup finalists while Tadic is to join big power house like Ajax who are now an EU youth development team.

 

 

Really...…

 

 

Like its bad Tadic and Redmond never got dropped when every body even fans at the stadium moaned and groaned about team selections, but its ok, ppl only remember the last 3 games that Tadic did when he put a tiny bit of effort in, rest of the season he is all forgiven for.....

 

 

No remembers when JWP come off bench replacing tadic setting up a goal and scoring. Or coming of the bench and setting up 2 goals while Redmond and tadic had a hole game and failed to even create 1 clear chance, ppl only remember the last 3 games where Tadic all on his own ( ofc no other players played just Tadic ) that's all ppl remember. but having been to pretty much 99 % of games at home and away last season ( only 6 games I didn't attend, I can tell you know, Tadic was rubbish for 90 % of the season and last, And we looked better every time JWP was on the pitch.

[Crab Lungs]

Lol at all the people who think Tadic hasn’t been a fundamental part of our success for the best part of 4 seasons. Check his assists for those seasons, let alone a decent return from midfield for goals.

[Saints foreva]

Lol at all the people who think Tadic hasn’t been a fundamental part of our success for the best part of 4 seasons. Check his assists for those seasons, let alone a decent return from midfield for goals.

 

And his chances created.

 

We will have to spend big to replace him and it's not something I'm confident with the board doing given how ****e we have been at replacing Mane, Pelle, Fonte and VvD.

[Mosin]

Lol at all the people who think Tadic hasn’t been a fundamental part of our success for the best part of 4 seasons. Check his assists for those seasons, let alone a decent return from midfield for goals.

 

He don't play in mid field, he is an inside forward and has played as one for us since he arrived...…….. but in his first two seasons he was good, no one doubts that....but how much of that was down to other players around him? I mean we had Mane, Pelle Morgan, Big Vic we had by far a top 6 team when he had them 2 good season, since then he has done nothing that says he is a top player, not the one who we signed any way.

[Mosin]

And his chances created.

 

We will have to spend big to replace him and it's not something I'm confident with the board doing given how ****e we have been at replacing Mane, Pelle, Fonte and VvD.

 

I know, im struggling to think of how we are going to replace a man who got 7 goals and 3 assists for us, man that's going be a challenge and a half.....

[Suomi Saint]

I don’t understand the policy of buying late after shipping all the decent players out early. Why can’t Saints act like normal clubs and do it the other way around. Has Uncle Les never heard of a short term bridging loan? Which we wouldn’t need if all the VVD money hadn’t disappeared to China. I would recommend holding off renewing your season tickets for a few weeks and see how things pan out.

[Charlie Wayman]

He did under MP and RK and was in his best form during his time too and was clearly a lot younger and behind in the pecking order as the players he was fighting against for places now play at champions league cup finalists while Tadic is to join big power house like Ajax who are now an EU youth development team.

 

 

Really...…

 

 

Like its bad Tadic and Redmond never got dropped when every body even fans at the stadium moaned and groaned about team selections, but its ok, ppl only remember the last 3 games that Tadic did when he put a tiny bit of effort in, rest of the season he is all forgiven for.....

 

 

No remembers when JWP come off bench replacing tadic setting up a goal and scoring. Or coming of the bench and setting up 2 goals while Redmond and tadic had a hole game and failed to even create 1 clear chance, ppl only remember the last 3 games where Tadic all on his own ( ofc no other players played just Tadic ) that's all ppl remember. but having been to pretty much 99 % of games at home and away last season ( only 6 games I didn't attend, I can tell you know, Tadic was rubbish for 90 % of the season and last, And we looked better every time JWP was on the pitch.

 

What a load of crap. You may have missed only 6 matches but you must have spent most of the time in the bar. Either that or you really don't know what you are watching. Tadic is our only genuinely talented playmaker and it is bordering on lunacy to imagine that Ward Prowse is anything other than a journeyman plodder who's only talent is supposedly taking free kicks and he can't even score from those.

[Mosin]

What a load of crap. You may have missed only 6 matches but you must have spent most of the time in the bar. Either that or you really don't know what you are watching. Tadic is our only genuinely talented playmaker and it is bordering on lunacy to imagine that Ward Prowse is anything other than a journeyman plodder who's only talent is supposedly taking free kicks and he can't even score from those.

 

JWP not talented, 4 assists last season 5 goals played less than half mins Tadic did, played wide right when played and managed over half of Tadics just short of 3 thousand mins he managed to score just 2 more goals than JWP 2 goals, but JWP set up more goals than Tadic to but had less than half the mins tadic did.

 

 

You sure your not confused? I mean JWP is no runner with the ball, he wont take ppl on, but to say he is journeyman is ridicules.

 

 

 

JWP 1717 min played in 31 apps, scored 5 goals 4 assists.

 

 

Tadic 2896 mins played 41 apps, 7 goals 3 assists.

 

 

Tadic better? you sure? JWP averages more goals and assists per game than Tadic does, Some talent Tadic is.....

[miserableoldgit]

Anyone that thinks JWP is a footballer needs help. Utter pap.

 

Dead ball specialist illusion. His level is League one.

 

 

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Really don`t get this. I am not his greatest fan but he has represented England at under-17, under-19 and under-20 levels and earned 31 caps and scored 6 goals at under-21 level, also serving as captain. He made his senior international debut in March 2017 in a 1–0 away defeat to reigning World champions Germany.

To say that "Anyone that thinks JWP is a footballer needs help" does seem a bit extreme or represents arrogance of the highest order.

[Mosin]

Really don`t get this. I am not his greatest fan but he has represented England at under-17, under-19 and under-20 levels and earned 31 caps and scored 6 goals at under-21 level, also serving as captain. He made his senior international debut in March 2017 in a 1–0 away defeat to reigning World champions Germany.

To say that "Anyone that thinks JWP is a footballer needs help" does seem a bit extreme or represents arrogance of the highest order.

 

This, JWP is no star player, no one says he is.

 

I see him to often to for my own liking, and he does get on my tits, But he is a bloody good player, he wont win head lines unless he scores a free kick, his assists go unnoticed but by Commentators who question why he don't start regular for us, he knows how to do a job defensively and offensively, has the ability to put a ball onto some ones head from over 50 yards away, can do pin point long range passing, always looks to release runners when they make runs, puts in one of the best corners and free kick's in the league, never gives up or gives half arsed performances even if he is playing bad he still trys his best, if he loses the ball hell chase it back down, with die for the club, yet is not worthy and is not even good enough for the champion ship.

 

 

Ppl wonder why clubs don't put bids in for JWP, do you not think that he has rebuffed them before they even reach the board room? I mean if clubs say look TSG, get us JWP man, we really want him, and they say Na mate, he loves SFC and does not want to leave, not even for huge huge money, why would clubs try and buy a player who has 0 interest in leaving??

 

 

But you lot are just either to ignorant to see it or just plain stupid.

[Saint-Fred]

JWP not talented, 4 assists last season 5 goals played less than half mins Tadic did, played wide right when played and managed over half of Tadics just short of 3 thousand mins he managed to score just 2 more goals than JWP 2 goals, but JWP set up more goals than Tadic to but had less than half the mins tadic did.

 

 

You sure your not confused? I mean JWP is no runner with the ball, he wont take ppl on, but to say he is journeyman is ridicules.

 

 

 

JWP 1717 min played in 31 apps, scored 5 goals 4 assists.

 

 

Tadic 2896 mins played 41 apps, 7 goals 3 assists.

 

 

Tadic better? you sure? JWP averages more goals and assists per game than Tadic does, Some talent Tadic is.....

 

Lol if you are going to quote stats don't include goals JWP scored in the U23 games....I am sure from memory only so may be wrong that he scored only 4 goals 3 in the league and 1 in the cup...

 

Tadic had a better goals per minutes ratio that JWP I am sure last season but quoting made up stats just shows how blinkered you are!

[Mosin]

Lol if you are going to quote stats don't include goals JWP scored in the U23 games....I am sure from memory only so may be wrong that he scored only 4 goals 3 in the league and 1 in the cup...

 

Tadic had a better goals per minutes ratio that JWP I am sure last season but quoting made up stats just shows how blinkered you are!

 

JWP 1779 min prem league scored 3 goals, ( only 20 starts ) scored 3 goals, played 1179 mins less than Tadic

Assists 3

Passes 747

Passes per match 24.90

Big chances created 8

Crosses 159

Cross accuracy % 23%

Through balls 0

Accurate long balls 18

Goals 3

Goals per match 0.10

Headed goals 0

Goals with right foot 3

Goals with left foot 0

Penalties scored 0

Freekicks scored 1

Shots 28

Shots on target 14

Shooting accuracy % 50%

Hit woodwork 1

Big chances missed 1

 

Tackles 23

Tackle success % 70%

Blocked shots 7

Interceptions 8

Clearances 18

Headed Clearance 14

Recoveries 98

Duels won 61

Duels lost 102

Successful 50/50s 5

Aerial battles won 21

Aerial battles lost 50

Errors leading to goal 0

 

 

Taidc 2896 min 6 goals scored ( 1 from penalty spot, but also missed 2 during the season ) so lets just say 5 goals as penalty should not be included. played 1179 mins more than JWP and started 37 of are 38 games Assists 3

Passes 1,111

Passes per match 30.86

Big chances created 8 ( Same as JWP over the course of the season despite playing an extra 1179 more mins HAHAHAHAHA )

Crosses 121 ( Less than JWP )

Cross accuracy % 23% ( Same as JWP even though he did far less...… )

Through balls 14

Accurate long balls 33 ( should be more as had more mins on pitch )

Goals 6

Goals per match 0.17

Headed goals 0

Goals with right foot 0

Goals with left foot 6

Penalties scored 1

Freekicks scored 0

Shots 40

Shots on target 16

Shooting accuracy % 40%

Hit woodwork 0

Big chances missed 4

Tackles 46

Tackle success % 63%

Blocked shots 10

Interceptions 19

Clearances 18

Headed Clearance 5

Recoveries 140

Duels won 159

Duels lost 189

Successful 50/50s 55

Aerial battles won 8

Aerial battles lost 42

Errors leading to goal 1

 

 

Stats don't lie, overall JWP is the better player.

[miserableoldgit]

Lol if you are going to quote stats don't include goals JWP scored in the U23 games....I am sure from memory only so may be wrong that he scored only 4 goals 3 in the league and 1 in the cup...

 

Tadic had a better goals per minutes ratio that JWP I am sure last season but quoting made up stats just shows how blinkered you are!

Just responding to "Anyone that thinks JWP is a footballer needs help". Do you think that this is a fair statement?

 

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[ally_uk]

We best be lining up Ziyech or somebody decent as a replacement....

[shurlock]

JWP 1779 min prem league scored 3 goals, ( only 20 starts ) scored 3 goals, played 1179 mins less than Tadic

Assists 3

Passes 747

Passes per match 24.90

Big chances created 8

Crosses 159

Cross accuracy % 23%

Through balls 0

Accurate long balls 18

Goals 3

Goals per match 0.10

Headed goals 0

Goals with right foot 3

Goals with left foot 0

Penalties scored 0

Freekicks scored 1

Shots 28

Shots on target 14

Shooting accuracy % 50%

Hit woodwork 1

Big chances missed 1

 

Tackles 23

Tackle success % 70%

Blocked shots 7

Interceptions 8

Clearances 18

Headed Clearance 14

Recoveries 98

Duels won 61

Duels lost 102

Successful 50/50s 5

Aerial battles won 21

Aerial battles lost 50

Errors leading to goal 0

 

 

Taidc 2896 min 6 goals scored ( 1 from penalty spot, but also missed 2 during the season ) so lets just say 5 goals as penalty should not be included. played 1179 mins more than JWP and started 37 of are 38 games Assists 3

Passes 1,111

Passes per match 30.86

Big chances created 8 ( Same as JWP over the course of the season despite playing an extra 1179 more mins HAHAHAHAHA )

Crosses 121 ( Less than JWP )

Cross accuracy % 23% ( Same as JWP even though he did far less...… )

Through balls 14

Accurate long balls 33 ( should be more as had more mins on pitch )

Goals 6

Goals per match 0.17

Headed goals 0

Goals with right foot 0

Goals with left foot 6

Penalties scored 1

Freekicks scored 0

Shots 40

Shots on target 16

Shooting accuracy % 40%

Hit woodwork 0

Big chances missed 4

Tackles 46

Tackle success % 63%

Blocked shots 10

Interceptions 19

Clearances 18

Headed Clearance 5

Recoveries 140

Duels won 159

Duels lost 189

Successful 50/50s 55

Aerial battles won 8

Aerial battles lost 42

Errors leading to goal 1

 

 

Stats don't lie, overall JWP is the better player.

 

#triggered