pluto Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 Instant turn off to see agent get media contacts to stir it up, crazy price and hopefully we told his agent to f off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 Leicester with the seemingly novel approach of strengthening the squad before selling [Mahrez] for big ££'s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 Wasn’t Promes a “done deal” for the summer Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I keep seeing this yet don't recall hearing anything of the sort at the time, other than a vague comment that we could rekindle our interest in the summer. As usual on here that has been completely exaggerated and is now taken for gospel that it's a 'done deal'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 (edited) That source is probably just The Sun article I posted last night by Graeme Bryce Like I said earlier... Would Harry Reed say positive things to Maddison about the current Leicester manager? Edited 17 June, 2018 by Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12691/11407972/southampton-and-leicester-agree-james-maddison-fee-with-norwich "One source has told Sky Sports News that Maddison prefers Southampton but he is still to decide which club he will join." That source is probably just The Sun article I posted last night by Graeme Bryce ... or is the source Les ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 17 June, 2018 Author Share Posted 17 June, 2018 Wasn’t Promes a “done deal” for the summer Problem is they didn't say which summer Promes was desperate to join us in January as was Walcott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 I think most good sources regarding Saints transfer activity are based in sub-Saharan Africa these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 In the bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 In the bag Just means more people have put money on Leicester and the bookies have adjusted their odds accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 Unless the only people having meaningful bets on that market are his best buddies ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Pete Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 I keep seeing this yet don't recall hearing anything of the sort at the time, other than a vague comment that we could rekindle our interest in the summer. As usual on here that has been completely exaggerated and is now taken for gospel that it's a 'done deal'.No, it was just a half hearted attempt by the club at the time to feed a few media contacts like Blackmore and Wilson with some vague bull about having an agreement in principle for a deal in the summer - with the aim of persuading the more gullible that it wasn't such a complete balls up of a window after all. I think most at the time could see it for what it was. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 No, it was just a half hearted attempt by the club at the time to feed a few media contacts like Blackmore and Wilson with some vague bull about having an agreement in principle for a deal in the summer - with the aim of persuading the more gullible that it wasn't such a complete balls up of a window after all. I think most at the time could see it for what it was. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk It was so bad, even Pellegrino was saying we should act quicker on transfers FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 Unless the only people having meaningful bets on that market are his best buddies ... aah, the old Lallana tactic....... allegedly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 He played for Coventry, aren't Coventry and Leicester local rivals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 (edited) He played for Coventry, aren't Coventry and Leicester local rivals? Not really. Forest and to a lesser extent Derby are Leicester’s main ‘rivals’. Edited 17 June, 2018 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Albert Posted 17 June, 2018 Share Posted 17 June, 2018 Leicester have won the race for Maddison, and pushed their spending so far this off-season to almost £50M, according to the Sun... https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/6557811/james-maddison-leicester-city-norwich-city-premier-league-championship/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 (edited) He played for Coventry, aren't Coventry and Leicester local rivals? More from Coventry's perspective. There was the M69 Derby fixture, and during the 07/08 season where Coventry survived on the final day and Leicester dropped to league 1 there was a large amount of gloating towards the Foxes. Clearly things went on a different path for both sides after. Reminded me of the same dynamic we have with someone like Reading when I lived there. Edited 18 June, 2018 by Colinjb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 No, it was just a half hearted attempt by the club at the time to feed a few media contacts like Blackmore and Wilson with some vague bull about having an agreement in principle for a deal in the summer - with the aim of persuading the more gullible that it wasn't such a complete balls up of a window after all. I think most at the time could see it for what it was. Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk Thank goodness for people like you who are able to save us gullible ones from the club’s evil PR machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Same sun journo now reporting Maddison on his way to Leicester and having medical today. Doesn't bode well for us if we are losing out to likes of Leicester and the most boring manager in the history of football. Sent from my SM-A320FL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Same sun journo now reporting Maddison on his way to Leicester and having medical today. Doesn't bode well for us if we are losing out to likes of Leicester and the most boring manager in the history of football. I knew it was doomed the minute John Percy tweeted yesterday morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Ah well. Good luck to the lad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad we are reported to have been in the running, but £25m is a cracking deal for Norwich -perhaps an EFL record?? They sold the Murphy lad to Newcastle for £11m in Jan, which feels closer to the mark. Then again Million’s are tossed around like confetti these days, so what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Leicester have done well in the transfer window so far I think, Evans is a sound signing with the experience he brings to go alongside the excellent Maguire , Maddison will be a good buy for them but not sure if he'll fit as a replacement for Mahrez. Think we can close this thread now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Leicester showing up our transfer team as the rank amateurs they really are. Reed has to go or we will never move forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 18 June, 2018 Author Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Called it on the opening post!! Knew Reed and co would manage to **** this up. They are nothing but consistent!! A club run by muppets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Leicester showing up our transfer team as the rank amateurs they really are. Reed has to go or we will never move forwards. Stop being a tool. There are other non-footballing considerations to take into account as well. For example, as Maddison was born in Coventry maybe he has all his friends and family in the area, and maybe that was/is a deciding factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted 18 June, 2018 Author Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Stop being a tool. There are other non-footballing considerations to take into account as well. For example, as Maddison was born in Coventry maybe he has all his friends and family in the area, and maybe that was/is a deciding factor. Agreed those non footballing considerations..... Like when Walcott joined us over Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Not sure how this is the clubs fault. They offered Norwich the required amount of money so did Leicester. It then comes down to the lads choice. Allegedly we have the more attractive manager to play for but Leicester are a club in a much better place than us right now and closer to his home territory. The only thing the club can do to swing it in their favour is offer massive wages to a 21 year old with one decent season under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Agreed those non footballing considerations..... Like when Walcott joined us over Everton. Walcott was pretty clear he wasn't up for a relegation fight and who can blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Stop being a tool. There are other non-footballing considerations to take into account as well. For example, as Maddison was born in Coventry maybe he has all his friends and family in the area, and maybe that was/is a deciding factor. Its all about club bashing on here, nothing to do with actual reasoning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egg Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad we are reported to have been in the running, but £25m is a cracking deal for Norwich -perhaps an EFL record?? They sold the Murphy lad to Newcastle for £11m in Jan, which feels closer to the mark. Then again Million’s are tossed around like confetti these days, so what do I know. £24/25m for a kid who's had one good season in division 2 is madness. Redmond has shown that being good in division 2 doesn't translate to being good in the Premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 £24/25m for a kid who's had one good season in division 2 is madness. Redmond has shown that being good in division 2 doesn't translate to being good in the Premier league. I think we just need to accept that as the going rate for half decent players now, not much we can do about it. Football has changed so much in the last 2 seasons. £25m gets you a decent player, if he's english and young then the sell on potential is greater - and the fee will be greater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Tricky isn't it? Go to the 2016 title winners for more money and a squad being reinforced early doors or the club that narrowly avoided relegation by finally sacking the worst manager the Premier has ever seen and scratching a win against Swansea. Must have been very hard for the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Not sure how this is the clubs fault. They offered Norwich the required amount of money so did Leicester. It then comes down to the lads choice. Allegedly we have the more attractive manager to play for but Leicester are a club in a much better place than us right now and closer to his home territory. The only thing the club can do to swing it in their favour is offer massive wages to a 21 year old with one decent season under his belt. Really, I never new that our players went to liverpool because they paid us what we wanted for them... rather than more money.... silly me. it comes down to the package we offered the player and his agent. I don't necessarily blame the club for this particular transfer falling, but there is certainly a significant pattern of transfer failings and a poor strategy. Hopefully we improve as the clowns at the top aren't going anywhere clearly. What we don't need, is fans constantly posting a biased defence of the failings with wilfully misleading posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 I think we just need to accept that as the going rate for half decent players now, not much we can do about it. Football has changed so much in the last 2 seasons. £25m gets you a decent player, if he's english and young then the sell on potential is greater - and the fee will be greater. I guess you're right. 4 years ago we would have bought him for £5m and sold for £15m. Now we have to pay £25m and hope to sell for £75m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Stop being a tool. There are other non-footballing considerations to take into account as well. For example, as Maddison was born in Coventry maybe he has all his friends and family in the area, and maybe that was/is a deciding factor. does that really matter? How many kids leave home at 18 to go to university and never return to their home area? In any case you can be in Coventry in 2 1/2-3 hours from Southampton on a clear run anyway. Maddison would already have known Ward-Prowse, Target, Redmond and Stephens from England U21s so it's not like he's moving thousands of miles away to play with a bunch of strangers. The fact of the matter is Leicester are a considerably more attractive option to us at the moment and they are spending but doing it wisely. Not many better centre back pairings outside the top 6 than Macguire and Evans for example and they cost around the same as we spent on Hoedt and Bednarek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Its all about club bashing on here, nothing to do with actual reasoning... It's so easy to slag off the club for something which is based on pure speculation (this thread) ! Nobody knows the full story or even if we were actually in for him in the first place.. but, hey ho, let's have a real go at Les & co, cos we know best ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Not too disappointed, sounds like a good player but very recent emergence and also Norwich thought he had done his ACL at the end of last season. So element of risk there. Also, I feel Saints need express pace more than another 10 which Tadic covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Agreed those non footballing considerations..... Like when Walcott joined us over Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Don’t worry Les has 4-5 players lined up for every position - all on his speed dial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 When did Reed turn into a victim around here ? I guess some of you morons have already forgotten last season and the last 2 transfer windows because they were more than a week ago.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Maddison would already have known Ward-Prowse, Target, Redmond and Stephens from England U21s so it's not like he's moving thousands of miles away to play with a bunch of strangers. That is wrong. James Maddison is younger than all of them, his first England under 21 call up was in November 2017. In November 2017 Ward-Prowse, Targett, Redmond and Stephens were all too old to qualify for England under 21s. So Maddison would not know them from playing for England u21s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mosin Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Not too disappointed, sounds like a good player but very recent emergence and also Norwich thought he had done his ACL at the end of last season. So element of risk there. Also, I feel Saints need express pace more than another 10 which Tadic covers. Tadic is not a 10, he is an inside forward, plays wide cuts inside.. which is why he likes to play on right even though he is left footed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusic Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Can only assume he always preferred Leicester but they hadn't had a bid accepted so we thought we could be an option for him if they weren't willing to match our fee. Otherwise if we knew he would pick them then why bid? Bit of a blow. A side like Leicester were miles better than us last season and already have 2 (3) good signings sorted whilst we have none. Tick tock Wee Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Agreed those non footballing considerations..... Like when Walcott joined us over Everton. Of course the much bigger wage packet had absolutely nothing to do with his decision. Personally I blame Reed for the fact that Messi went to Barcelona and Ronaldo went to Madrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimborne_saint Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Time to move on Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 It's so easy to slag off the club for something which is based on pure speculation (this thread) ! Nobody knows the full story or even if we were actually in for him in the first place.. but, hey ho, let's have a real go at Les & co, cos we know best ! I don’t think there’s too much doubt we were in for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st alex Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Tricky isn't it? Go to the 2016 title winners for more money and a squad being reinforced early doors or the club that narrowly avoided relegation by finally sacking the worst manager the Premier has ever seen and scratching a win against Swansea. Must have been very hard for the lad. But we both start next season in the same position, with no points. Weren't we above Leicester when Puel joined them? For mid-table clubs like Saints and Leicester there's very little between relegation battle and Europa League, i.e. West Ham, and Everton who consistently think they should be top 8 but are actually bottom half clubs. I don't think there's much to choose between Saints and Leicester, they're similar sized cities with almost identical stadiums. It's up to Reed etc to sell the club to prospective players, i.e. training ground, ambition, heritage, 1st team opportunities, quality of squad, etc... Leicester's only bonus is that they can say 3 years ago they won the league which they've never looked close to repeating. We could argue that we've got the better training facilities. We could both argue that we'd get the best of the player and develop him further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 But we both start next season in the same position, with no points. Weren't we above Leicester when Puel joined them? For mid-table clubs like Saints and Leicester there's very little between relegation battle and Europa League, i.e. West Ham, and Everton who consistently think they should be top 8 but are actually bottom half clubs. I don't think there's much to choose between Saints and Leicester, they're similar sized cities with almost identical stadiums. It's up to Reed etc to sell the club to prospective players, i.e. training ground, ambition, heritage, 1st team opportunities, quality of squad, etc... Leicester's only bonus is that they can say 3 years ago they won the league which they've never looked close to repeating. We could argue that we've got the better training facilities. We could both argue that we'd get the best of the player and develop him further. Would be very happy but also pretty surprised if we finish above Leicester next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 18 June, 2018 Share Posted 18 June, 2018 Really, I never new that our players went to liverpool because they paid us what we wanted for them... rather than more money.... silly me. it comes down to the package we offered the player and his agent. I don't necessarily blame the club for this particular transfer falling, but there is certainly a significant pattern of transfer failings and a poor strategy. Hopefully we improve as the clowns at the top aren't going anywhere clearly. What we don't need, is fans constantly posting a biased defence of the failings with wilfully misleading posts. WTF are you talking about? What's wilfully misleading in my post? both saints and Leicester had bid accepted by Norwich. That left it down to the player to decide which option he preferred given the recent history of the two clubs why is anyone surprised he would pick Leicester? The only thing we could do to be more the attractive option is blow Leicester out of the water with a huge wage offer and that was never going to happen ( And isn't a sustainable way for the club anyway) I'm quite happy to bash the club when its called for. But in this case, the way I see it is the club have tried to sign a decent young player, and failed because he prefers a more attractive option...... **** happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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