Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[The Kraken]

It’s Owen Jones, what do you expect? The bloke is a weapons grade cunt and always has been.

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

It’s pretty tacky behaviour

He is a nasty spiteful little prick 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Ultimately I want the best for Britain but I hope he really makes them squirm first. Also that prick Khan too. 

 

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

The main lesson for Democrats to learn from this is that they need to be able to put themselves in the position of an average American voter and understand why they were able to vote for Trump. Many on the left in America and many over here actually are completely unable to understand any valid reason for why so many people would vote for him. They aren't able to empathise with those of a different political view and that is why they often lose and why it's such a shock to them. 

 

58 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

That's true but that would also be the case if the Democrats had got in. The point is I'd rather have more decisive victories in politics generally so there aren't any excuses for not delivering what was promised and also voters get largely what they voted for. I don't particularly want Labour in power in the UK for example but given that they are, I'd rather they had the power to do what they wanted rather than having virtually no majority and having to half arse everything along the way. 

Thanks Hypo. Sums up a lot of my thoughts.

While working class would be left here, Trump has connected with a lot of that base. The Democrats have gone out of their way to not only not engage, but to alienate and demonise them. Their left is left with progressive policies, that aren't as important as the economy to many.

Both sides were as bad as each other on this prior to Trump. It's taken someone like that to get the votes of people who were alienated by both sides. That should have set off massive alarm bells last time round. But they didn't learn a thing at the top levels or in the media.

I quite enjoyed watching them go through the same lesson last night. That lack of comprehension dawning on them again. "But...but...it can't be us" despite having no empathy for anyone on the other side and adjusting their policies to get votes.

Electoral college, popular vote, looks like senate and house to be decided gives him a strong mandate. The Republicans have a lot of work to do in order to take advantage of Trump's presence, for when he's not there.

Labour, through ambassador, look to have been building bridges away from their schoolboy sniping when they were in opposition. That's going to be put to the test.

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Some good points here I think well expressed. 

https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1854151133385613690?t=2hlHKnOy8dAg8-yE5-WhnQ&s=19

His views are not my cup of tea economically because it ignores markets being rigged against smaller firms, on social infrastructure (which we do need those with the broadest shoulders to help cover), and on the environment although I did agree with the post about someone being elected in the UK and their first comment being about Gaza. I’d be unhappy if I lived there and my new elected rep did that. 

Edited November 6 by Gloucester Saint

[sadoldgit]

I wouldn’t say that I was either “shocked” or “surprised” at the result. More deeply disappointed that so many people care so little about what kind of person they vote for and don’t look further than the empty, button pushing rhetoric.

Trump does not care about the American people. He cares only about himself. We had a similar experience with Johnson - God forbid that that grifter will also feel to push for power again himself when Badenoch fails.

 

[pingpong]

It's essentially like us electing Jimmy savile if he hadn't passed away, he lived at just the wrong time to be able  take advantage of this trend.

[Weston Super Saint]

14 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I wouldn’t say that I was either “shocked” or “surprised” at the result. More deeply disappointed that so many people care so little about what kind of person they vote for and don’t look further than the empty, button pushing rhetoric.

Trump does not care about the American people. He cares only about himself. We had a similar experience with Johnson - God forbid that that grifter will also feel to push for power again himself when Badenoch fails.

 

Disappointed that people half a world away voted for someone you don't like. That's not normal behaviour considering it is likely to have zero affect on you or your life.

Wait until you hear about the North Koreans. They vote an absolute nutter in to power time after time!

[Gloucester Saint]

Bits in this people from different politics backgrounds will both agree and disagree with, but I thought it was fairly balanced and sets out why the Democrats flunked from a leadership perspective starting 2 years ago with being ruthless about Biden not running again https://newrepublic.com/article/188055/democrats-lost-election-trump-2024

[Lord Duckhunter]

37 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

More deeply disappointed that so many people care so little about what kind of person they vote for and don’t look further than the empty, button pushing rhetoric.

Trump does not care about the American people. He cares only about himself. We had a similar experience with Johnson - God forbid that that grifter will also feel to push for power again himself when Badenoch fails.

 

What a load of old pony.

 

You seem to think that you’re superior than people who vote differently or have different opinions from you. As someone who has read your pony over a number of years, I can confidently tell you, you’re not…

 

https://x.com/eveforamerica/status/1854100880343159115?s=61&t=tf-1MmhVNe6aHN684Fwt8w

 

 

Edited November 6 by Lord Duckhunter

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony.

 

You seem to think that you’re superior than people who vote differently or have different opinions from you. As someone who has read your pony over a number of years, I can confidently tell you, you’re not…

 

https://x.com/eveforamerica/status/1854100880343159115?s=61&t=tf-1MmhVNe6aHN684Fwt8w

 

 

Couldn't agree with him more.

[egg]

5 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

She ran a tidy campaign but Biden had lost any credibility and she was tied to him as his VP. Only a clean break was beating Trump, and would’ve beaten Trump. Vance will have the same issue in 2028. Trump’s ramblings and ignoring his advisors/team won’t stop now he’s won and Vance will take the hit from voters if the economy remains volatile. 

If he even gets that far through the Primaries if Trump repeats the chaos of term one.

Yep, I don't agree with the "awful candidate" line that duck has thrown out. She struggled due to her ties to Biden which the hard if thinking couldn't look past, and that chunks of the US just couldn't bring themselves to vote for a non white woman. The issue is Americans, not her. 

[egg]

40 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony.

 

You seem to think that you’re superior than people who vote differently or have different opinions from you. As someone who has read your pony over a number of years, I can confidently tell you, you’re not…

 

https://x.com/eveforamerica/status/1854100880343159115?s=61&t=tf-1MmhVNe6aHN684Fwt8w

 

 

Not interested in the focus on SoG, but thanks for the link. The fella speaks well. 

[Gloucester Saint]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

 

Thanks Hypo. Sums up a lot of my thoughts.

While working class would be left here, Trump has connected with a lot of that base. The Democrats have gone out of their way to not only not engage, but to alienate and demonise them. Their left is left with progressive policies, that aren't as important as the economy to many.

Both sides were as bad as each other on this prior to Trump. It's taken someone like that to get the votes of people who were alienated by both sides. That should have set off massive alarm bells last time round. But they didn't learn a thing at the top levels or in the media.

I quite enjoyed watching them go through the same lesson last night. That lack of comprehension dawning on them again. "But...but...it can't be us" despite having no empathy for anyone on the other side and adjusting their policies to get votes.

Electoral college, popular vote, looks like senate and house to be decided gives him a strong mandate. The Republicans have a lot of work to do in order to take advantage of Trump's presence, for when he's not there.

Labour, through ambassador, look to have been building bridges away from their schoolboy sniping when they were in opposition. That's going to be put to the test.

There’s some key differences though:

- Trump is a spender and more like Boris in the sense that’s he’s not too bothered by supply-side theory unlike the Reagan period and traditional country club Republicans. Put it this way, he wouldn’t have been Thatcher’s cup of tea, not a dry fiscal conservative. In fact, it’s why a lot of the Conservative Party dislike him equally as much as Lab/Lib/SNP outside of the ERG populist wing.

- That’s why he can win over groups the GOP and even the Democrats traditionally couldn’t despite losing many traditional GOP themselves. In a sense, Bannon has made them homeless

- The Democrats need to start acting a national movement not just a political party again. For better or for worse, the GOP has had a leader for the last few years even though Trump is only the spearhead/face of MAGA. That’s why Biden limped on in his last two years after a very efficient first two. 

Edited November 6 by Gloucester Saint

[Baird of the land]

Just regret i didn't bet on the result. The result wasn't particularly racism/sexim imo. the famous quote is 'its the economy stupid(same reason so many people in UK say they feel worse off. Then you've drag factors like illegal immigration & 2 expensive foreign wars didn't help(one most americans likely don't care about and one that only negatively affected left side of democrats). Then on the other side you've got a charismatic figure who survived 2 attempted assassinations

[Holmes_and_Watson]

18 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

There’s some key differences though:

- Trump is a spender and more like Boris in the sense that’s he’s not too bothered by supply-side theory unlike the Reagan period and traditional country club Republicans. Put it this way, he wouldn’t have been Thatcher’s cup of tea, not a dry fiscal conservative. In fact, it’s why a lot of the Conservative Party dislike him equally as much as Lab/Lib/SNP outside of the ERG populist wing.

- That’s why he can win over groups the GOP and even the Democrats traditionally couldn’t despite losing many traditional GOP themselves. In a sense, Bannon has made them homeless

- The Democrats need to start acting a national movement not just a political party again. For better or for worse, the GOP has had a leader for the last few years even though Trump is only the spearhead/face of MAGA. That’s why Biden limped on in his last two years after a very efficient first two. 

Absolutely. I was giving one example, but there are plenty of differences you'd expect from different political history there.

His non traditional approach, coupled with the folks pulling his strings early on, have given both parties a chance to redefine themselves ahead of the next election. Hopefully one of both realise that there's a winning number of votes in not alienating masses of the electorate.

[whelk]

Problem is that the disaffected working class man is fucked off whatever western country they are in. Industry collapsing and being done in cheaper areas of the world means many have to take shit low paid jobs whereas previously would be working at Fords, steel plants etc would pay a decent wage, own a home and provide for family and didn’t need to worry about qualifications. Everyone saying that Democrats need to connect with them but their policies actually help them, yet like here people here far more enamoured with promising rhetoric from Trump/Reform. The immigration ‘fixing’ resonates with many as is a real problem for many - and you don’t have to have a hint of racism to be concerned

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

What a load of old pony.

 

You seem to think that you’re superior than people who vote differently or have different opinions from you. As someone who has read your pony over a number of years, I can confidently tell you, you’re not…

 

https://x.com/eveforamerica/status/1854100880343159115?s=61&t=tf-1MmhVNe6aHN684Fwt8w

 

 

It is not a question of feeling superior. It is a question of seeing many appallingly bad leaders doing appallingly bad things to other people through history and seeing people like Trump repeat the process. But it’s not difficult to feel superior to a convicted rapist, racist, misogynist, congenital liar and grifter. There is a reason so many people in this country and around the world hate him, not just me.

And as someone who has read your pony over the years, I can tell you that the people you idolise politically tend to be self serving, morally deficient a-holes.

 

 

Edited November 6 by sadoldgit

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, pingpong said:

It's essentially like us electing Jimmy savile if he hadn't passed away, he lived at just the wrong time to be able  take advantage of this trend.

Someone made the point today that the same people who would be horrified if Trump became headmaster of their child’s school voted to have him as head of state. 

[Turkish]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It is not a question of feeling superior. It is a question of seeing many appallingly bad leaders doing appallingly bad things to other people through history and seeing people like Trump repeat the process. But it’s not difficult to feel superior to a convicted rapist, racist, misogynist, congenital liar and grifter. There is a reason so many people in this country and around the world hate him, not just me.

And as someone who has read your pony over the years, I can tell you that the people you idolise politically tend to be self serving, morally deficient a-holes.

 

 

When was he convicted of rape?

[pingpong]

11 minutes ago, Turkish said:

When was he convicted of rape?

He wasn't, he was just found liable for  sexual abuse.  But I don't think anyone disputes he is a rapist and paedophile do they? The question is whether that should impact his ability to be president of the USA, and the voters have spoken.

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, pingpong said:

He wasn't, he was just found liable for  sexual abuse.  But I don't think anyone disputes he is a rapist and paedophile do they? The question is whether that should impact his ability to be president of the USA, and the voters have spoken.

So SOG incorrectly stated he is a convicted rapist then. Thanks for confirming. 

[pingpong]

24 minutes ago, Turkish said:

So SOG incorrectly stated he is a convicted rapist then. Thanks for confirming. 

No worries 👍 

[sadoldgit]

55 minutes ago, pingpong said:

He wasn't, he was just found liable for  sexual abuse.  But I don't think anyone disputes he is a rapist and paedophile do they? The question is whether that should impact his ability to be president of the USA, and the voters have spoken.

They couldn’t decide whether the woman was penetrated by his finger or his penis. “Digital penetration is considered rape if done without consent or by force.”

The judge said that the victims claims that he raped her were “substantially true.” The judge!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

Edited November 6 by sadoldgit

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

So SOG incorrectly stated he is a convicted rapist then. Thanks for confirming. 

He's got a thing about flinging around accusations of rape, rape apologist etc etc. Seems like a rather serious thing to go around accusing people of. 

[Turkish]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

He's got a thing about flinging around accusations of rape, rape apologist etc etc. Seems like a rather serious thing to go around accusing people of. 

Also accused him of being a congenital liar which is interesting as SOG has been repeatedly caught out telling lies on here. 

[hypochondriac]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Also accused him of being a congenital liar which is interesting as SOG has been repeatedly caught out telling lies on here. 

Sounds like there's a possibility of some projection going on.... 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, Turkish said:

Also accused him of being a congenital liar which is interesting as SOG has been repeatedly caught out telling lies on here. 

I heard that Trump felt that someone with an inability to accept legal results, racism, trivialising sexual assault on minors, faking racially motivated incidents, antisemitism and obsessions with nazi accessorising and far right individuals, was too extreme for him.

[Weston Super Saint]

10 hours ago, pingpong said:

He wasn't, he was just found liable for  sexual abuse.  But I don't think anyone disputes he is a rapist and paedophile do they? The question is whether that should impact his ability to be president of the USA, and the voters have spoken.

Wasn't he found 'liable' in what is effectively a 'civil' court and not found guilty of a crime in a 'criminal' court?  Not defending him or his actions, but just clarifying the process.

Essentially him being found 'liable' is like having a parking fine upheld - but with bigger sums of money involved?

[iansums]

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

 

You seem to think that you’re superior than people who vote differently or have different opinions from you.

 

 

The left in a nutshell.

[egg]

43 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Wasn't he found 'liable' in what is effectively a 'civil' court and not found guilty of a crime in a 'criminal' court?  Not defending him or his actions, but just clarifying the process.

Essentially him being found 'liable' is like having a parking fine upheld - but with bigger sums of money involved?

Far from it. A finding in a civil court is a finding that something, on the balance of probabilities, has happened. In a criminal court a bit a doubt can be enough to see someone get off, but they won't get the benefit of that doubt in a civil court. 

[badgerx16]

14 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

You seem to think that you’re superior than people who vote differently or have different opinions from you.

 

4 minutes ago, iansums said:

The left in a nutshell.

Guided Missile doesn't come across as your typical leftie.

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Far from it. A finding in a civil court is a finding that something, on the balance of probabilities, has happened. In a criminal court a bit a doubt can be enough to see someone get off, but they won't get the benefit of that doubt in a civil court. 

Yes it's a much lower burden of proof. Good article on the BBC today on why Harris lost. One of the points made is that she focused too much on Trump and who he was rather than what she had to offer and her policies. The public already know all there is to know about Trump but they didn't really know what she was offering and she didn't tell them. People are fed up hearing about what an evil nazi Trump is, they can make their own mind up. Present a positive vision for the country with proper policies and maybe she would have done better. 

[Weston Super Saint]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

Far from it. A finding in a civil court is a finding that something, on the balance of probabilities, has happened. In a criminal court a bit a doubt can be enough to see someone get off, but they won't get the benefit of that doubt in a civil court. 

So when the jury did not conclude that Trump raped her, that finding is unequivocal?

[hypochondriac]

I don't think Trump won in 2020 but it really is quite astonishing what an anomaly it was for voting. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes it's a much lower burden of proof. Good article on the BBC today on why Harris lost. One of the points made is that she focused too much on Trump and who he was rather than what she had to offer and her policies. The public already know all there is to know about Trump but they didn't really know what she was offering and she didn't tell them. People are fed up hearing about what an evil nazi Trump is, they can make their own mind up. Present a positive vision for the country with proper policies and maybe she would have done better. 

The article was decent, and her campaign wasn't particularly policy focused. Towards the end it ceased to be either Trump or policy focused, and just become noise. In the cold light of day it's easier to understand now why Trump got the nod, although it still beggars belief that he is the man in charge. 

Edited November 7 by egg

[egg]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So when the jury did not conclude that Trump raped her, that finding is unequivocal?

A finding of fact in a civil court that something happened is exactly that. A jury concluding that there is insufficient evidence to find guilt is exactly that. I make no comment about Trump as I haven't followed the cases, and make the general point that people are often acquitted in a criminal court of crimes they have probably committed, only to have been found by a civil court to have done the alleged wrong. 

[Turkish]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

They couldn’t decide whether the woman was penetrated by his finger or his penis. “Digital penetration is considered rape if done without consent or by force.”

The judge said that the victims claims that he raped her were “substantially true.” The judge!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

You said and i quote 

 

14 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

But it’s not difficult to feel superior to a convicted rapist, racist, misogynist, congenital liar and grifter. There is a reason so many people in this country and around the world hate him, not just me.

He is not a convicted rapist. You dont like him we know that you fucking go on about it enough but you lied, yet again. As for some of the other things you accuse him off, seem like you and he are not that dissimilar. Perhaps the reason you hate him so much is that it's like looking at a more orange version of yourself.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

You said and i quote 

 

He is not a convicted rapist. You dont like him we know that you fucking go on about it enough but you lied, yet again. As for some of the other things you accuse him off, seem like you and he are not that dissimilar. Perhaps the reason you hate him so much is that it's like looking at a more orange version of yourself.

How does he get this wrong time and time again given he worked at the CPS

[AlexLaw76]

That’s it, Trump is finished already…

https://x.com/blaimgame/status/1854261150877433866?s=46

[Gloucester Saint]

41 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That’s it, Trump is finished already…

https://x.com/blaimgame/status/1854261150877433866?s=46

Whilst no fan of Trump whatsoever, he’s not even been re-inaugurated yet…

[Lord Duckhunter]

16 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

They couldn’t decide whether the woman was penetrated by his finger or his penis. “Digital penetration is considered rape if done without consent or by force.”

It’s hardly crime of the century FFS. 

[benjii]

If you're wondering how Trump got elected, you only have to look at some of the fuckwits on this thread.

[FarehamSaintJames]

I’m currently in Florida on holiday, and it is baffling overhearing people in queues talk about him like he’s some kind of hero.

I know Florida is hard Republican territory but it’s honestly incredible how thick as shit some people are.

Such a severe lack of education in parts of the US.

[sadoldgit]

6 hours ago, iansums said:

The left in a nutshell.

Seriously? You don’t think the many champions of the right don’t have superiority complexes? You only have to look at the likes of Trump and Johnson to know that is the case.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

19 minutes ago, FarehamSaintJames said:

I’m currently in Florida on holiday, and it is baffling overhearing people in queues talk about him like he’s some kind of hero.

I know Florida is hard Republican territory but it’s honestly incredible how thick as shit some people are.

Such a severe lack of education in parts of the US.

Taking a peek at Florida, the Republican votes exceeded the Democrats at every level of education, except the highest which was equal.

Which best describes your education? You have:

Never attended college (15%)

D 34%

R 64%

Attended college but received no degree (29%)

D 42%

R 55%

Associate's degree (AA or AS) (19%)

D 45%

R 54%

Bachelor's degree (BA or BS) (21%)

D 45%

R 54%

An advanced degree after a bachelor's degree (such as JD, MA, MBA, MD, PhD) (15%)

D 49%

R 49%

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes it's a much lower burden of proof. Good article on the BBC today on why Harris lost. One of the points made is that she focused too much on Trump and who he was rather than what she had to offer and her policies. The public already know all there is to know about Trump but they didn't really know what she was offering and she didn't tell them. People are fed up hearing about what an evil nazi Trump is, they can make their own mind up. Present a positive vision for the country with proper policies and maybe she would have done better. 

For me, the following stood out.

'Independent Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who lost the 2016 Democratic presidential primary to Hillary Clinton and the 2020 primary to Biden, said in a statement it was "no great surprise" that working class voters abandoned the party.

"First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change," he said. "And they're right."'

Trump chipped away at a lot of demographics. Harris' camp can look at what they think they didn't do enough of, or did too much of.

But when you have classes of people abandoning your party, and you seem to have no plan for change or care much about keeping them, then you're going to lose those votes.

[hypochondriac]

Great news. If I were American this would be a big reason for voting for him. With the Cass report in this country, it looks like a lot of this child abuse will be over:

https://x.com/SwipeWright/status/1854463035756122553?t=qNGQd1J7ih1flg6Iku0V7w&s=19

[hypochondriac]

32 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Seriously? You don’t think the many champions of the right don’t have superiority complexes? You only have to look at the likes of Trump and Johnson to know that is the case.

So many people on the left denegrate those who don't vote for them as thick, evil or dangerous. This is to a much greater degree than someone on the right would do the same to someone on the left. 

Edited November 7 by hypochondriac

[Weston Super Saint]

40 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Seriously? You don’t think the many champions of the right don’t have superiority complexes? You only have to look at the likes of Trump and Johnson to know that is the case.

Both have been the leader of their respective country's, so both are considerably more superior than you - whether you like them or not!

[Weston Super Saint]

3 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How does he get this wrong time and time again given he worked at the CPS

No knowledge of the law is needed to count the pens and pencils and issue typing ribbon.