whelk Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 18 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Why is the party of the right red and that of the left blue, when in almost every other national political contest it is the other way round ? Why does the water drain anti clockwise in Australia when it is clockwise here? Can’t be arsed to check that I have that right way round btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 42 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said: Under who’s watch did inflation shoot up? Under who’s watch did the economy tumble and cost of living shoot up? Cost of living and inflation broken out into two points😀😀😀 who’s watch brought us Covid?And some hurricanes? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, whelk said: Why does the water drain anti clockwise in Australia when it is clockwise here? Can’t be arsed to check that I have that right way round btw Surely the water in Australia drains uphill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Is there anything to prevent Biden being declared unfit and Harris at least being given 2 months to play at being America's first woman President ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyNumber7 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 56 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Look forward to his protest. "Donald Trump is no friend of Britain". Neither is David Lammy but we still have to tolerate the cunt. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 12 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said: "Donald Trump is no friend of Britain". Neither is David Lammy but we still have to tolerate the cunt. Neither was Obama to Brown nor Cameron. You have to go to back to Thatcher/Reagan, Blair/Clinton and Blair/Bush to find genuine evidence of a special relationship. Truth be told, it was sketchy before that with disputes over Suez in 1956 and tensions over Vietnam and Nigeria. Lammy has actually built some bridges there but it will be an unpredictable administration as May found last time around. With Brexit, we’ve needlessly exposed ourselves to more risk. Whether people like it or not, closer links will be essential especially on security co-operation and trade, because tariffs on China would hit us hard. And Putin will be eyeing up the Baltic states. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) Sort of along the same lines of what I was trying to articulate earlier....? Edited November 6 by trousers 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Trump was almost killed twice by Democrat supporters. Under orders from Harris? 🙄 A lot of people would like to see Trump gone, not just a couple of fruitcakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, trousers said: Sort of along the same lines of what I was trying to articulate earlier....? Exactly, and the republicans and tories have always been about building bridges and would never insult potential voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Under orders from Harris? 🙄 A lot of people would like to see Trump gone, not just a couple of fruitcakes. Continually calling your politically opponent a nazi will in the minds of some make it almost a duty to get rid of him. If Trump is Hitler then it's a net good to remove him by any means necessary. The Harris campaign absolutely need to take their share of the responsibility for the rhetoric. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said: Neither was Obama to Brown nor Cameron. You have to go to back to Thatcher/Reagan, Blair/Clinton and Blair/Bush to find genuine evidence of a special relationship. Truth be told, it was sketchy before that with disputes over Suez in 1956 and tensions over Vietnam and Nigeria. Lammy has actually built some bridges there but it will be an unpredictable administration as May found last time around. With Brexit, we’ve needlessly exposed ourselves to more risk. Whether people like it or not, closer links will be essential especially on security co-operation and trade, because tariffs on China would hit us hard. And Putin will be eyeing up the Baltic states. People close to Trump have been just as unflattering about him as Lammy was. Trump will always align himself with those who suit his needs at the time. Your point about Brexit is spot on. By getting our country back we have left ourselves further exposed to an ever changing and dangerous world. Those who hang on Farage’s every word need to understand that we are not the world power we once were. We need Europe more than they need us. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 45 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Trump was almost killed twice by Democrat supporters. Not true. Crooks - the shooter at Bethel Park - was a Republican voter. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 9 minutes ago, trousers said: Sort of along the same lines of what I was trying to articulate earlier....? What I took from that is that I need to use the term fucko more 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picard Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 42 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: Is there anything to prevent Biden being declared unfit and Harris at least being given 2 months to play at being America's first woman President ? Good idea. Then Trump would be 48 and he would have to scrap all his Trump 47 stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, whelk said: What I took from that is that I need to use the term fucko more Looking forward to seeing that phrase on the next match day thread - ‘Martin you fucko, we need to get Tyler and Archer on’ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 8 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: People close to Trump have been just as unflattering about him as Lammy was. Trump will always align himself with those who suit his needs at the time. Your point about Brexit is spot on. By getting our country back we have left ourselves further exposed to an ever changing and dangerous world. Those who hang on Farage’s every word need to understand that we are not the world power we once were. We need Europe more than they need us. His own VP incoming for one - ‘America’s Hitler’. Yet quite happy to serve under him to get into the White House. It shows how self-orientated most politicians, people and voters are of all persuasions when it comes down to it. They’ll ignore slights if they believe someone can get them to where they want to go. The swing voters will go back hating Trump within 12 months but the fact they gambled again tells you the Democrats aren’t landing their messages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, sadoldgit said: Taking the high ground clearly hasn’t worked for the Democrats When was this then? High ground 😂😂 The simple truth is they put up an awful candidate, who ran an awful campaign, after trying to con the people that there was nothing wrong with Biden. If, as some on here seem to be implying Harris just didn’t have enough time or was given a “hospital pass”, well she’s got 4 years now. Not that she’ll get past the Primary stage, there’s not a fucking chance they’ll put her up again. They know how poor she is which is why she crashed & burnt in 2020 & why they hung on to Biden when he was clearly puddled. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to put up 2 candidates that were so awful they couldn’t even beat Donald Trump. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 56 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Trump was almost killed twice by Democrat supporters. First one was a Republican, the second is registered as an 'independent'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Continually calling your politically opponent a nazi will in the minds of some make it almost a duty to get rid of him. If Trump is Hitler then it's a net good to remove him by any means necessary. The Harris campaign absolutely need to take their share of the responsibility for the rhetoric. Are you saying that Harris did not actually run a “near perfect” campaign? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said: When was this then? High ground 😂😂 The simple truth is they put up an awful candidate, who ran an awful campaign, after trying to con the people that there was nothing wrong with Biden. If, as some on here seem to be implying Harris just didn’t have enough time or was given a “hospital pass”, well she’s got 4 years now. Not that she’ll get past the Primary stage, there’s not a fucking chance they’ll put her up again. They know how poor she is which is why she crashed & burnt in 2020 & why they hung on to Biden when he was clearly puddled. It takes a special kind of fuckwittery to put up 2 candidates that were so awful they couldn’t even beat Donald Trump. I want to disagree with this but logically can’t. Bit harsh on Harris because the damage was already done by their party nationally not being firm with Biden and saying ‘we are having Primaries in the circumstances and you’re welcome to stand in those’. Instead, he shat the bed globally in the debate and then calling Ukraine’s President Putin. I couldn’t watch. Harris wouldn’t have beaten Shapiro, I think Buttgeig being LGBTQ is a barrier to him unfortunately in America but he would’ve knocked Harris out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Are you saying that Harris did not actually run a “near perfect” campaign? She ran a tidy campaign but Biden had lost any credibility and she was tied to him as his VP. Only a clean break was beating Trump, and would’ve beaten Trump. Vance will have the same issue in 2028. Trump’s ramblings and ignoring his advisors/team won’t stop now he’s won and Vance will take the hit from voters if the economy remains volatile. If he even gets that far through the Primaries if Trump repeats the chaos of term one. Edited November 6 by Gloucester Saint 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I wonder how many countries have democratically reelected the incumbent party who governed over cost of living crisis. Seems bit like here, that discontent with Tories more than being wooed by Labour. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, trousers said: 30 minutes ago, pingpong said: Exactly, and the republicans and tories have always been about building bridges and would never insult potential voters. Agreed. I've never doubted that there are "thickos" on both sides of any debate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdmickey3 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 hours ago, sadoldgit said: A better option than Trump. Nutty nic would be a better option than Trump TBF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint86 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 52 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said: "Donald Trump is no friend of Britain". Neither is David Lammy but we still have to tolerate the cunt. I absolutely cannot wait for this one to come home to roost. Lammy is an absolute imbecile - i'm still chuckling at his master mind answer... "who followed henry VIII?"... "Henry VII" 🤦♂️... Sadly though i suspect he won't be foreign secretary by the time Trump is president, and certainly not by the time of any potential state visit. But between Starmer and Lammy though, honestly what a pair of absolute diplomatic imbeciles - The USA is the UK's most significant ally, and they've acted like a red flag to a bull in baiting Trump. Talk about not knowing when to keep your mouth shut and playing the smart game in politics 😂 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, whelk said: I wonder how many countries have democratically reelected the incumbent party who governed over cost of living crisis. Seems bit like here, that discontent with Tories more than being wooed by Labour. Any major fiscal event - devaluation late 1960s, Barber’s dash for growth early 70s and miner’s strike, ERM, Banking Crisis, Truss - all resulted in the governing party defeated. Even in 1945, did the returning troops elect hero Churchill? No, they went for the findings of the Beveridge Report as that offered more for their families. Bush Snr was punished in 1992 for Reagan’s SDI-related huge deficit - Its the Economy Stupid. Bush Jnr left Obama with an enormous pile of debt with big tax cuts which were never affordable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Saint86 said: I absolutely cannot wait for this one to come home to roost. Lammy is an absolute imbecile - i'm still chuckling at his master mind answer... "who followed henry VIII?"... "Henry VII" 🤦♂️... Sadly though i suspect he won't be foreign secretary by the time Trump is president, and certainly not by the time of any potential state visit. But between Starmer and Lammy though, honestly what a pair of absolute diplomatic imbeciles - The USA is the UK's most significant ally, and they've acted like a red flag to a bull in baiting Trump. Talk about not knowing when to keep your mouth shut and playing the smart game in politics 😂 More funny is pussies pissing their pants with no courage. Hey don’t upset the bully as he might pick on me. This cowardly approach is symptomatic of why we’re in decline -feebleness I worry when Trump picks off Lammy he will come for Saintweb posters next 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 33 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: People close to Trump have been just as unflattering about him as Lammy was. Trump will always align himself with those who suit his needs at the time. Your point about Brexit is spot on. By getting our country back we have left ourselves further exposed to an ever changing and dangerous world. Those who hang on Farage’s every word need to understand that we are not the world power we once were. We need Europe more than they need us. How can you use todays disappointing result for you as an opportunity for growth Sog? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Saint86 said: I absolutely cannot wait for this one to come home to roost. Lammy is an absolute imbecile - i'm still chuckling at his master mind answer... "who followed henry VIII?"... "Henry VII" 🤦♂️... Sadly though i suspect he won't be foreign secretary by the time Trump is president, and certainly not by the time of any potential state visit. But between Starmer and Lammy though, honestly what a pair of absolute diplomatic imbeciles - The USA is the UK's most significant ally, and they've acted like a red flag to a bull in baiting Trump. Talk about not knowing when to keep your mouth shut and playing the smart game in politics 😂 You’re looking at the noise although I agree that Lammy’s comments in opposition are a lesson - Badenoch needs to watch and learn. Hague hammered Trump on Times Radio yesterday but he’s no longer Foreign Secretary (good one he was too) and actively involved in the Tory party so he has 100% licence. Trump and Vance don’t care - as already stated elsewhere they met for a dinner in Trump Tower in September and whilst not Starmer’s biggest fan (Lib Dem voter) I have to say that there isn’t anything to back up the statement that Starmer has said anything in public about Trump, unlike Lammy. The special relationship has been purely transactional since Blair/Bush and will remain so. Our blooper as a country was Brexit which is far more self-defeating in protecting our strategic economic and security interests than what America did yesterday. We’ve left ourselves in the cross-hairs of US-China-Russia, on the latter’s doorstep. Not smart. Edited November 6 by Gloucester Saint 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 37 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: Not true. Crooks - the shooter at Bethel Park - was a Republican voter. He donated to a progressive liberal campaign as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 23 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said: Are you saying that Harris did not actually run a “near perfect” campaign? She barely ran any campaign at all. She had little in the way of policies, avoided any taxing interviews that might challenge her or her views, skipped the largest podcast in the entire world and seemed to run mostly saying that people should vote for her because she isn't Trump. It was a disastrous campaign and that was the case before the results, they just confirmed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 11 minutes ago, whelk said: More funny is pussies pissing their pants with no courage. Hey don’t upset the bully as he might pick on me. This cowardly approach is symptomatic of why we’re in decline -feebleness I worry when Trump picks off Lammy he will come for Saintweb posters next Well we do have posters on here who think they’re ending global racism by talking about it on here so never underestimate its power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 22 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said: She ran a tidy campaign but Biden had lost any credibility and she was tied to him as his VP. Only a clean break was beating Trump, and would’ve beaten Trump. Vance will have the same issue in 2028. Trump’s ramblings and ignoring his advisors/team won’t stop now he’s won and Vance will take the hit from voters if the economy remains volatile. If he even gets that far through the Primaries if Trump repeats the chaos of term one. It's unlikely to be as chaotic. They have a clear majority so can't really be held up or thwarted this time. He also has the experience of the first four years. My bet is they manage to get a lot more done. Whether it's what most people would want done on here or not is another matter. I think it will be a big win for freedom of speech and censorship in this country though so that's a big positive from my point of view. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 18 minutes ago, Saint86 said: I absolutely cannot wait for this one to come home to roost. Lammy is an absolute imbecile - i'm still chuckling at his master mind answer... "who followed henry VIII?"... "Henry VII" 🤦♂️... Sadly though i suspect he won't be foreign secretary by the time Trump is president, and certainly not by the time of any potential state visit. But between Starmer and Lammy though, honestly what a pair of absolute diplomatic imbeciles - The USA is the UK's most significant ally, and they've acted like a red flag to a bull in baiting Trump. Talk about not knowing when to keep your mouth shut and playing the smart game in politics 😂 Ultimately I want the best for Britain but I hope he really makes them squirm first. Also that prick Khan too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) Some good points here I think well expressed. https://x.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1854151133385613690?t=2hlHKnOy8dAg8-yE5-WhnQ&s=19 Edited November 6 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 37 minutes ago, Saint86 said: I absolutely cannot wait for this one to come home to roost. Lammy is an absolute imbecile - i'm still chuckling at his master mind answer... "who followed henry VIII?"... "Henry VII" 🤦♂️... Sadly though i suspect he won't be foreign secretary by the time Trump is president, and certainly not by the time of any potential state visit. But between Starmer and Lammy though, honestly what a pair of absolute diplomatic imbeciles - The USA is the UK's most significant ally, and they've acted like a red flag to a bull in baiting Trump. Talk about not knowing when to keep your mouth shut and playing the smart game in politics 😂 Vance baited Trump. Remind me again who the VP is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 13 minutes ago, sadoldgit said: Vance baited Trump. Remind me again who the VP is? It will be quite gracious of Trump if he does decide to forgive the likes of Lammy for his disgusting slurs and terrible language. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 The main lesson for Democrats to learn from this is that they need to be able to put themselves in the position of an average American voter and understand why they were able to vote for Trump. Many on the left in America and many over here actually are completely unable to understand any valid reason for why so many people would vote for him. They aren't able to empathise with those of a different political view and that is why they often lose and why it's such a shock to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLaw76 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I wonder what happened in the hotel room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheaf Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: He donated to a progressive liberal campaign as well. So still no direct connection to the Democrat party then. Glad we cleared that up. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said: So still no direct connection to the Democrat party then. Glad we cleared that up. The rhetoric around Trump being literally Hitler coming from many Democrats contributed towards an increase in the threat to Trump's life. Both sides a responsible for inflammatory language and hyperbole and it shouldn't be happening because it gets people killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, hypochondriac said: It's unlikely to be as chaotic. They have a clear majority so can't really be held up or thwarted this time. He also has the experience of the first four years. My bet is they manage to get a lot more done. Whether it's what most people would want done on here or not is another matter. The US is so polarised that it will probably be not what most people on the Pacific coast and in the northeast would want done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, badgerx16 said: The US is so polarised that it will probably be not what most people on the Pacific coast and in the northeast would want done. That's true but that would also be the case if the Democrats had got in. The point is I'd rather have more decisive victories in politics generally so there aren't any excuses for not delivering what was promised and also voters get largely what they voted for. I don't particularly want Labour in power in the UK for example but given that they are, I'd rather they had the power to do what they wanted rather than having virtually no majority and having to half arse everything along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, AlexLaw76 said: I wonder what happened in the hotel room? I wonder why Owen Jones felt the need to mention the taxi drivers race and religion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Turkish said: I wonder why Owen Jones felt the need to mention the taxi drivers race and religion? And why did he feel the need to interrogate the driver to tell him where he came from and what religion he follows. He's a taxi driver, let him do his job and drive the fucking car. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 and then belittle him on social media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lighthouse Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 48 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: And why did he feel the need to interrogate the driver to tell him where he came from and what religion he follows. He's a taxi driver, let him do his job and drive the fucking car. People like Jones live in a fantasy whereby because they stick Palestinian flags all over their social media and go on marches against Israel, they must therefore all automatically be together on ‘team woke’. In reality I’d wager a fair number of Middle Eastern Americans would be more enamoured with traditional, conservative family values, a strong leader and a god above all others. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: People like Jones live in a fantasy whereby because they stick Palestinian flags all over their social media and go on marches against Israel, they must therefore all automatically be together on ‘team woke’. In reality I’d wager a fair number of Middle Eastern Americans would be more enamoured with traditional, conservative family values, a strong leader and a god above all others. Yep, that’s why he’s been jettisoned from his ‘home’ party we go see him as a relic of the Corbyn era (which he is). And it ignores as you say the notion that migrants might adopt some of the norms of their adopted homeland. I still wouldn’t have voted for him in their Sundays in a month of Sundays with the travel ban Trump introduced and what’s ahead in their former region, but it’s their choice. Edited November 6 by Gloucester Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloucester Saint Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 53 minutes ago, Turkish said: and then belittle him on social media. It’s pretty tacky behaviour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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