Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[hypochondriac]

On 05/11/2024 at 02:47, Hamilton Saint said:

Harris and her team have run an almost flawless campaign--impressive, given the relatively brief amount of time they've had. Every tactic seems to be the correct one (not playing the race card, for example, or dwelling on the "glass ceiling" she is about to shatter).

Trump's campaign, on the other hand, (especially in the last month or so) has been a never-ending catalogue of pratfalls and strategic errors. Compare Trump's choice of VP candidate, for example, with the smart selection that Harris made.

The focus of press coverage on polling results is foolish--the majority of polls are highly suspect (tainted by a practice known as "herding"). 

The key factor is the Democratic ability to get their supporters to the polls ("pulling the vote"). Anecdotal reporting suggests the Democrats are fired up and riding a wave of enthusiasm. There is a palpable sense of momentum in their favour. And they have a huge financial advantage (the campaign has raised over a billion dollars since Harris became the candidate), funding organisation and canvassing at the local level.

Meanwhile, Trump's campaign seems to have run out of steam, and Trump himself is a much-diminished figure--physically and mentally. And his mental decline has led to alarming moments of disinhibited remarks and behaviours. To those outside the MAGA-cult, every event reinforces the fact that he is unfit for the job he is seeking.

And, more prosaically, in the US system, electors tend to lean towards the more likable candidate, and the one who exudes confidence and talks about what they will do to improve things. Trump is nothing but an endless litany of grievance and hate. 

 

Lol. She's one of the worst candidates in political history. This is why you lose. 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, trousers said:

Hot on the heels of Brexit, another win for the "thickos".... I wonder when the penny is going to drop in the minds of the cleverati that the more you ridicule the thickos the more they turn out to vote..? 

#youreapwhatyousow

Or maybe they aren't all as thick as some think and the very fact that they are dismissed in this manner is why they fail to persuade them to vote for the other side. 

Harris should have done Rogan... 

[aintforever]

Follows the pattern of incumbents getting a kicking over the cost of living. As soon as the first exit polls came out it was clear he was going to win, the Yanks are just pissed off because they can't afford their hot dogs.

Biden and the Democratic Party need to take some blame, he should have stepped down sooner and given them a chance to elect a popular leader. Not sure that would have made a huge difference though, it's all about the rising prices as it was over here IMO.

Just hope the orange baby doesn't stitch up Ukraine, couldn't care less what else he does over there.

[egg]

2 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Game, set and match.

For Russia and lunatics, yep. Not sure who else is a winner. 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

For Russia and lunatics, yep. Not sure who else is a winner. 

 

I heard a quote from Trump on the radio yesterday that said he was 'going to fix everything'.  No details obviously, but I guess that means everyone will be a winner?

[pingpong]

Will be an interesting trial of what a badenoch government would look like, and what a government winning on an antiwoke platform can do to improve the important issues affecting the population at large. 

 

Edited November 6 by pingpong

[badgerx16]

1) America will never elect a woman President.

2) Being anti-immigrsnt can be a vote winner.

3) I guess we will now find out how to stop the Ukraine war in 1 day.

4) Will we now see a trade war ?

 

 

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I heard a quote from Trump on the radio yesterday that said he was 'going to fix everything'.  No details obviously, but I guess that means everyone will be a winner?

 

Ha! Nowt we can do though, but an interesting next 4 years for world trade, women in America, any country in Russia's line of sight, and all NATO members. 

 

[trousers]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Or maybe they aren't all as thick as some think and the very fact that they are dismissed in this manner is why they fail to persuade them to vote for the other side. 

 

Apologies if not obvious, but that was kinda my point...

[badgerx16]

32 minutes ago, trousers said:

Hot on the heels of Brexit, another win for the "thickos".... I wonder when the penny is going to drop in the minds of the cleverati that the more you ridicule the thickos the more they turn out to vote..? 

#youreapwhatyousow

Anybody who thinks the solution to mass shootings is more guns IS a thicko.

[pingpong]

I wonder how much influence Musk will have now - and in future.  Since trump is getting on, musk is a good shout for the next 'personality' president. 

 

(Edit - I know he isn't eligible now, but that could change...)

Edited November 6 by pingpong

[egg]

15 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Follows the pattern of incumbents getting a kicking over the cost of living. As soon as the first exit polls came out it was clear he was going to win, the Yanks are just pissed off because they can't afford their hot dogs.

Biden and the Democratic Party need to take some blame, he should have stepped down sooner and given them a chance to elect a popular leader. Not sure that would have made a huge difference though, it's all about the rising prices as it was over here IMO.

Just hope the orange baby doesn't stitch up Ukraine, couldn't care less what else he does over there.

Yep. On the choice of leader point, I think anyone credible who had been through the usual selection process and been at the helm of the campaign since day 1 would have won this. Harris, for me was a decent candidate, but the delay and the connection to Biden damaged her chances. That's over and above the reasons why some Republican's would never have given her their vote. 

Ukraine will be tucked up, I think that's a given sadly. 

[Gloucester Saint]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

For Russia and lunatics, yep. Not sure who else is a winner. 

 

As Aintforever said, the cost of living issue gave me a bad feeling from the first issues-based exit poll when I went to bed. Horrible for Ukraine and not good for NATO or Western Europe at all. We need to bury the special relationship for a while and focus on rebuilding relationships with the EU rapidly because his tariffs are going to bite economically.

What happens to most America and Americans happens frankly, that’s their problem. Given the Republicans have regained the Senate too, good luck being black, female, Latino, young or needing free at the point of entry healthcare.  But given the margin of victory, significant numbers of all of those groups have voted for him on the basis they think they’ll have a few more Dollars in their pocket. Even if that were true, which it won’t be in most cases, they’ll have no rights left at all. This isn’t the country of Reagan, Clinton and Bush, that’s for sure. How you can welcome back a movement which on January 6 which tried to overturn an election through violence is astonishing to Europeans in the 2020s and puts America increasingly into the Russia and China sphere for me.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, pingpong said:

I wonder how much influence Musk will have now - and in future.  Since trump is getting on, musk is a good shout for the next 'personality' president. 

Elon Musk v Taylor Swift in 2028.

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Game, set and match.

I assume your exile from the forum is over ?

Mind you, with luck you will now deliver on your promise to vacate the UK. You will fit in well in a Trumpian utopia.

Edited November 6 by badgerx16

[CB Fry]

41 minutes ago, trousers said:

Hot on the heels of Brexit, another win for the "thickos".... I wonder when the penny is going to drop in the minds of the cleverati that the more you ridicule the thickos the more they turn out to vote..? 

#youreapwhatyousow

Of course that doesn't cone up when you ask why voters select a candidate- try inflation, the economy, immigration and lots of other things. Funnily enough voters maje a more autonomous considered choice than you give them credit for.

But it's the 8 year anniversary of you posting this routine over and over again so you be you.

[tdmickey3]

A lunatic has take over the asylum.

Ukraine is done for now.

Putin and the North Korean pudding face are rejoicing 

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. On the choice of leader point, I think anyone credible who had been through the usual selection process and been at the helm of the campaign since day 1 would have won this. Harris, for me was a decent candidate, but the delay and the connection to Biden damaged her chances. That's over and above the reasons why some Republican's would never have given her their vote. 

Ukraine will be tucked up, I think that's a given sadly. 

Harris was an awful candidate who couldn't articulate much of what she stood for beyond not being Trump. 

 

14 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Of course that doesn't cone up when you ask why voters select a candidate- try inflation, the economy, immigration and lots of other things. Funnily enough voters maje a more autonomous considered choice than you give them credit for.

But it's the 8 year anniversary of you posting this routine over and over again so you be you.

It's normally a combination of factors. Certainly insulting voters or dismissing them as thick is going to be one factor that motivates people to vote. 

Edited November 6 by hypochondriac

[trousers]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Of course that doesn't cone up when you ask why voters select a candidate- try inflation, the economy, immigration and lots of other things. Funnily enough voters maje a more autonomous considered choice than you give them credit for.

But it's the 8 year anniversary of you posting this routine over and over again so you be you.

Predicable posts on the Saintsweb forum...? Takes one to know one I guess...

[sadoldgit]

Never doubt the ability of large swathes of the human race to shoot itself in its collective foot. Full on Darwinism. The Americans get what they deserve. It is the Ukrainians and the rest of us I feel sorry for. There will be plenty of parties in state rooms in Russia, China and North Korea tonight.

Harris was an awful candidate? Dear God. What on earth makes Trump a better one? 

Edited November 6 by sadoldgit

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, CB Fry said:

Of course that doesn't cone up when you ask why voters select a candidate- try inflation, the economy, immigration and lots of other things. Funnily enough voters maje a more autonomous considered choice than you give them credit for.

But it's the 8 year anniversary of you posting this routine over and over again so you be you.

Yep, that’s the reality of it I suspect going by the first exit polls. Plus amnesia about how bad economically Trump was last time and how many people were killed by his appalling handling of the pandemic allied to their ailing and uneven healthcare system. 

[trousers]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Anybody who thinks the solution to mass shootings is more guns IS a thicko.

I don't disagree with that, but maybe, just maybe, there are 'cleverer' ways of engaging with people who have an alternative point of view, no matter how 'stupid' that point of view is...?

Edited November 6 by trousers

[Turkish]

3 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Game, set and match.

Game, set and match? 🤔🤔🤔

 

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Yep, that’s the reality of it I suspect going by the first exit polls. Plus amnesia about how bad economically Trump was last time and how many people were killed by his appalling handling of the pandemic allied to their ailing and uneven healthcare system. 

Hopefully the Democrat party will look inward and fix the very obvious problems with themselves. 

[Gloucester Saint]

50 minutes ago, trousers said:

Hot on the heels of Brexit

And that’s why it was such a poor decision by our lot in 2016 hitching the wagon to the US and not Europe. Trump didn’t do May or Boris any trade favours last time despite the warm words for the latter, to say the least. We’re a European country culturally, and in terms of the services we expect and rights such as reproduction. 

[Turkish]

7 minutes ago, trousers said:

I don't disagree with that, but maybe, just maybe, there are 'cleverer' ways of engaging with people who have an alternative point of view, no matter how 'stupid' that point of view is...?

You mean everyone that has a different opinion to your own isn’t thick?

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

As Aintforever said, the cost of living issue gave me a bad feeling from the first issues-based exit poll when I went to bed. Horrible for Ukraine and not good for NATO or Western Europe at all. We need to bury the special relationship for a while and focus on rebuilding relationships with the EU rapidly because his tariffs are going to bite economically.

What happens to most America and Americans happens frankly, that’s their problem. Given the Republicans have regained the Senate too, good luck being black, female, Latino, young or needing free at the point of entry healthcare.  But given the margin of victory, significant numbers of all of those groups have voted for him on the basis they think they’ll have a few more Dollars in their pocket. Even if that were true, which it won’t be in most cases, they’ll have no rights left at all. This isn’t the country of Reagan, Clinton and Bush, that’s for sure. How you can welcome back a movement which on January 6 which tried to overturn an election through violence is astonishing to Europeans in the 2020s and puts America increasingly into the Russia and China sphere for me.

Good post. I'm not going to disrespect his voters by joining the 'thicko' line of attack, but there's a real selfishness in looking at the money in your own pocket, and a lack of understanding in failing to grasp that inflation in the states will increase if everything imported is tariff'd to the max. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Hopefully the Democrat party will look inward and fix the very obvious problems with themselves. 

They need to. Too passive overall, too reactive on the Biden issue and waited until Biden had truly shat the bed on the global stage which was unforgivable. Left Harris with a hospital pass really. 

[trousers]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You mean everyone that has a different opinion to your own isn’t thick?

I can't work out if that's a clever question or not...

Edited November 6 by trousers

[rallyboy]

Great result for his legal team, should be enough to keep him out of prison for a while.

We're gonna need a bigger bucket of popcorn.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Good post. I'm not going to disrespect his voters by joining the 'thicko' line of attack, but there's a real selfishness in looking at the money in your own pocket, and a lack of understanding in failing to grasp that inflation in the states will increase if everything imported is tariff'd to the max. 

Americans will look at it and think they were much better off four years ago. That's the main reason many will have voted the way they have. 

[egg]

19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Elon Musk v Taylor Swift in 2028.

She wouldn't have lost Pennsylvania. J Lo as her running mate, and a bit of singing and dancing at all the events, and America will be great again. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Americans will look at it and think they were much better off four years ago. That's the main reason many will have voted the way they have. 

Forget all the other noise and analysis, this is what the result boils down to ☝️ 

[whelk]

All part of God’s plan to bring in the end times

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

They need to. Too passive overall, too reactive on the Biden issue and waited until Biden had truly shat the bed on the global stage which was unforgivable. Left Harris with a hospital pass really. 

Yep. Plus acting like there was nothing wrong with Biden and then immediately flipping in a day once they got the signal makes them look completely fake and dishonest. Gifting a candidate the presidential nomination without having to earn anything also gives the impression that the people at the top know what is best and will decide on behalf of the people which tbh is how they approach a lot of their dealings. 

[egg]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Americans will look at it and think they were much better off four years ago. That's the main reason many will have voted the way they have. 

If they can't see the reasons why, and the reasons why many prices for them will now go up, then people calling them thick may have a point. 

[hypochondriac]

If you view it all as a reality TV show, you'd want the most entertaining candidate. From that perspective it's been a resounding success. At least it won't be boring. 

[whelk]

13 minutes ago, trousers said:

I don't disagree with that, but maybe, just maybe, there are 'cleverer' ways of engaging with people who have an alternative point of view, no matter how 'stupid' that point of view is...?

Why do you assume it is calling people stupid that compels them to vote the opposite way? Stupid people are easily duped. See Brexit. There are plenty of people who aren’t stupid who will have voted for Trump. America is still an inherently racist country.

[Gloucester Saint]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yep. Plus acting like there was nothing wrong with Biden and then immediately flipping in a day once they got the signal makes them look completely fake and dishonest. Gifting a candidate the presidential nomination without having to earn anything also gives the impression that the people at the top know what is best and will decide on behalf of the people which tbh is how they approach a lot of their dealings. 

They shouldn’t have waited on the polling, it was obvious and in front of them, and the world really. Biden should only have ever been single term at his age, and held a full primary system. Shapiro would have beaten him, not least winning Pennsylvania but the senior Democrats lack the sharp elbows and by the time Biden did step back, none of them fancied it really in the time left in terms of trying to recover the ground lost. There was an initial bounce for Harris and we don’t agree on how she did but I don’t think they will ever vote for a woman there. She never got the strength of lead to be comfortable.

Edited November 6 by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

If Trump keeps his pledge to 'stop' inflation the promised economic revival will quickly stagnate.

[hypochondriac]

From a brit perspective, all the worst type of people are crying over this result on social media so that's rather satisfying too. 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Shapiro would have beaten him

You can’t say that and at the same time say it was solely about feeling poorer

[whelk]

Lesson is never doubt the bookies!

[badgerx16]

Democracy can be a right bitch at times.

[trousers]

13 minutes ago, whelk said:

Why do you assume it is calling people stupid that compels them to vote the opposite way?

I'm not assuming that, rather I'm suggesting it's a contributory factor. How significant a factor it is, if at all, is obviously open to debate...

Edited November 6 by trousers

[egg]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yep. Plus acting like there was nothing wrong with Biden and then immediately flipping in a day once they got the signal makes them look completely fake and dishonest. Gifting a candidate the presidential nomination without having to earn anything also gives the impression that the people at the top know what is best and will decide on behalf of the people which tbh is how they approach a lot of their dealings. 

I agree that there's something in that, although I'm struggling to get my head around people being so irked by that they'd be willing to look beyond Trump's wrongdoings. Different and incomparable admittedly, but I just can't understand the willingness to forgive Trump's misgivings to the extent that the American's have. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, whelk said:

You can’t say that and at the same time say it was solely about feeling poorer

To be fair, I think it's also because Harris is inextricably linked to the Bide and regime. A different candidate would have been able to differentiate themselves better although may not have made a difference. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

You can’t say that and at the same time say it was solely about feeling poorer

The framing of the discourse could’ve looked very different over 12 months and Shapiro would have been a departure. Harris clearly was punished by the connection to Biden and inflation. It would have lost them more American Arab votes but gained far more elsewhere.

[egg]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If you view it all as a reality TV show, you'd want the most entertaining candidate. From that perspective it's been a resounding success. At least it won't be boring. 

Now there's a sentence! 

[badgerx16]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

Lesson is never doubt the bookies!

Foinavon won the Grand National at 100/1.