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1. Judicial Philosophy

Trump's appointees are often described as originalists or textualists, meaning they interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning or the exact wording of the text. This approach is valued by those who believe in a limited role for the judiciary and a strict adherence to the framers' intentions.

2. Balance of Power

By appointing conservative judges, Trump helped shift the ideological balance of the federal courts, including the Supreme Court. Supporters argue that this helps counteract what they see as judicial activism, where judges make rulings based on personal or political considerations rather than the law.

3. Longevity

Federal judges, including Supreme Court justices, serve lifetime appointments. This means Trump's appointees will influence American law and policy for decades, ensuring a lasting legacy of conservative jurisprudence.

4. Rule of Law

Proponents argue that Trump's judges uphold the rule of law by making decisions based on legal principles rather than policy preferences. They believe this creates a more predictable and stable legal environment.

5. Religious and Second Amendment Rights

Many of Trump's judicial appointees have strong records on protecting religious freedoms and Second Amendment rights, which are key issues for many conservative and libertarian voters.

6. Economic Regulation

Conservative judges often favour less government intervention in the economy. Supporters believe Trump's appointees will be more likely to strike down regulations they see as overreaching, thus promoting economic growth and individual enterprise.

7. Diversity of Thought

While often critiqued for a lack of demographic diversity, Trump’s judicial appointments brought a diversity of thought and philosophy to the bench, which some argue is equally important in a balanced judiciary.

8. Accountability and Transparency

Trump's judges are seen as more likely to support measures that increase government accountability and transparency, potentially leading to a more honest and efficient government.

Trump appointed judges have shown little sign of impartiality in their rulings, be it in womens' health, gun control, or attempts to overthtrow the results of legitimate elections. On occasion they seem to allow their religious beliefs to sway their judgements, contrary to the Constitution, and are probably the most partisan group for decades.

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1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

This "right wing extremist" (actually small c conservative) is happy to oblige the red book clutching Marxist:

Economic and Domestic Policies

  1. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017): This legislation reduced the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and included various individual tax cuts.
  2. Deregulation: The Trump administration focused on rolling back regulations, particularly in environmental and financial sectors, claiming to boost business growth.
  3. Unemployment Rates: Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. experienced low unemployment rates, with historic lows for African American and Hispanic populations.
  4. Stock Market Growth: The stock market saw significant gains, reaching record highs during his presidency, especially before the COVID-19 pandemic.

Trade and Foreign Policy

  1. USMCA (United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement): Replacing NAFTA, this trade deal aimed to better protect American workers and industries.
  2. China Trade Deal: The Phase One trade deal with China was signed in January 2020, addressing some trade imbalances and intellectual property issues.
  3. Middle East Peace Deals: The Abraham Accords led to the normalization of relations between Israel and several Arab nations, including the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco.
  4. NATO Spending: Trump pushed NATO allies to increase their defense spending, arguing that the U.S. was shouldering too much of the financial burden.

Judicial Appointments

  1. Supreme Court Justices: Trump appointed three Supreme Court Justices—Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—shaping the judicial landscape for decades.
  2. Federal Judges: He appointed over 200 federal judges, significantly influencing the federal judiciary.

Immigration Policies

  1. Border Security: Trump prioritized building a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, with portions of the wall completed during his tenure.
  2. Travel Ban: The administration implemented a travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries, which was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2018.
  3. Changes to Asylum and Refugee Policies: Various policies aimed at reducing the number of asylum seekers and refugees entering the U.S.

Health and Science

  1. COVID-19 Response: Operation Warp Speed facilitated the rapid development, production, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.
  2. Right to Try Act: This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments not yet approved by the FDA.

Criminal Justice Reform

  1. First Step Act: A bipartisan criminal justice reform bill that aimed to reduce recidivism and improve prison conditions, including the early release of some non-violent offenders.

Military and Veterans

  1. Military Funding: Increased defense budget and investment in the U.S. military.
  2. Veterans Affairs Reforms: Measures to improve the Veterans Health Administration, including the VA MISSION Act which expanded healthcare access for veterans.

Environmental and Energy Policies

  1. Paris Climate Agreement Withdrawal: Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement, citing economic concerns.
  2. Energy Independence: The administration promoted fossil fuel development, including oil, natural gas, and coal, and reduced restrictions on energy production.

Education

  1. School Choice and Vouchers: The administration advocated for school choice, promoting charter schools and voucher programs.

Using ChatGPT to formulate your answers on a sodding internet forum 🤣🤣🤣

The King of C&P .

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7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Using ChatGPT to formulate your answers on a sodding internet forum 🤣🤣🤣

The King of C&P .

Indeed and amazing how many engage with him

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Trump appointed judges have shown little sign of impartiality in their rulings, be it in womens' health, gun control, or attempts to overthtrow the results of legitimate elections. On occasion they seem to allow their religious beliefs to sway their judgements, contrary to the Constitution, and are probably the most partisan group for decades.

The idea of being originalist is problematic on many levels. It's turning the constitution into a quasi religious document and we know that never ends well. it's just a mask for religious interpretations of the law.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0gyxlt4

Revisionist History podcast on guns, is interesting how these originalists completely ignore the actual past and only use their idea of the past.

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On 08/07/2024 at 13:48, farawaysaint said:

Too late to pull Biden out I'm afraid and no chance of him winning as things stand. I've resigned myself to another Trump term which with the current stacked Supreme Court is likely disastrous for a lot of issues.  

This would be tragic if so. I’m more geographically detached than you are, but still think that Harris is the clear option to replace him on the ticket if the Democrats finally grow a backbone in the week ahead. Trump is still in a different spot with the convictions and Jan 6 attempted armed coup still fresh, the roll back on Roe Vs Wade was astonishingly regressive and backward, which has alienated a lot of female voters bar the Republican hardcore and evangelical nuts, and Harris would be like a open jar of high sugar jam to the significant white supremacist loon element in Trump’s cult base. 

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Another Trump term in office is a very grim prospect. We have finally got some normality back in our political sphere here, we can only hope that common sense prevails and the Democrats find someone more able to run against Trump. An unstable US is the last thing the world needs right now.

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4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Another Trump term in office is a very grim prospect. We have finally got some normality back in our political sphere here, we can only hope that common sense prevails and the Democrats find someone more able to run against Trump. An unstable US is the last thing the world needs right now.

How is it grim for you?

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7 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It’s pretty grim for the whole of the western world. Not too grim for Putin though so I suppose that will make you happy.

How?

What "pretty grim" events will happen because of him?

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6 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How?

What "pretty grim" events will happen because of him?

Where shall we start? Ukraine? NATO? Gaza?  Democracy in the US? Sucking up to Putin? You don’t think it is grim having a narcissistic, self serving fruitloop sex offender as leader of the Western world?  Ok. That explains a lot.

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15 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Where shall we start? Ukraine? NATO? Gaza?  Democracy in the US? Sucking up to Putin? You don’t think it is grim having a narcissistic, self serving fruitloop sex offender as leader of the Western world?  Ok. That explains a lot.

are saying these places / institutions can get much worse?

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13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

are saying these places / institutions can get much worse?

Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. Do you honestly believe that Joe Biden would have his supporters storm Capitol Hill if he lost? Do you honestly think that America will be a more stable country if Trump wins? Do you think that NATO will be better or worse under Trump? Do you think that Trump will stand up to Putin or let him get away with what he likes? Do you think that the Ukrainians are hopeful that Trump wins? Do you think that Trump will use his power of the legal system for the good of the country if for his own ends? 

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5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. Do you honestly believe that Joe Biden would have his supporters storm Capitol Hill if he lost? Do you honestly think that America will be a more stable country if Trump wins? Do you think that NATO will be better or worse under Trump? Do you think that Trump will stand up to Putin or let him get away with what he likes? Do you think that the Ukrainians are hopeful that Trump wins? Do you think that Trump will use his power of the legal system for the good of the country if for his own ends? 

I think not a great deal will change in the US and the slaughter in Ukraine will come to a much quicker end. As for NATO, maybe European nations could actually front up and not require the US to protect the continent.

Not idea about Israel, but Gaza has been flattened to the last century under the current watch, so....

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In what way? What do you think will happen?

Putin will very quickly get everything he wants. An imasculated Ukraine will lose the entirity of Kherson, and Zaporizhia, and give up any hope of recovering Donetsk, Luhansk, and the Crimea, be forced to abandon any hope of joining the EU or NATO, and have to give priority to the Russian language, culture, and version of history.

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10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Putin will very quickly get everything he wants. An imasculated Ukraine will lose the entirity of Kherson, and Zaporizhia, and give up any hope of recovering Donetsk, Luhansk, and the Crimea, be forced to abandon any hope of joining the EU or NATO, and have to give priority to the Russian language, culture, and version of history.

maybe that part of Ukraine want that...either way, how is that grim for us in the UK?

If that happens, why don't European nations step up and do something (ie, actually spend on defence rather than hide under the US umbrella).

One thing I am certain will happen if he wins, the language against China will be loud and clear. However, the US is preparing for a major conflict with them from around 2027 anyway.

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7 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

This would be tragic if so. I’m more geographically detached than you are, but still think that Harris is the clear option to replace him on the ticket if the Democrats finally grow a backbone in the week ahead. Trump is still in a different spot with the convictions and Jan 6 attempted armed coup still fresh, the roll back on Roe Vs Wade was astonishingly regressive and backward, which has alienated a lot of female voters bar the Republican hardcore and evangelical nuts, and Harris would be like a open jar of high sugar jam to the significant white supremacist loon element in Trump’s cult base. 

An interesting few weeks ahead. The act of replacing him is gathering momentum. Big name celebrities and democratic house representatives and senators starting to get the ball rolling. Add Pelosi, Obama and Schumer to the list, who are reportedly for it. The majority must want it, but feeling things out as the days go by. It's risky for them as Biden managed to get through his last rally without any fuckups.....but the damage has already been done. 

If it happens, can't see Kamala Harris being tossed to the side. Can't do that to a black woman VP. I'd prefer to see someone like Whitmer or Shapiro (not Ben) have a go with a cleaner slate. Harris has been anonymous and is not a likable person, much like Hillary imo.

Trump doing well by keeping his big mouth fairly well shut during the proceedings.

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maybe that part of Ukraine want that... No they don't.

...either way, how is that grim for us in the UK?...Putin will be Billy Big Bollocks and start throwing his weight around on the wider European stage.

If that happens, why don't European nations step up and do something (ie, actually spend on defence rather than hide under the US umbrella). I don't know, but why can't the USA follow it's treaty obligations ?

One thing I am certain will happen if he wins, the language against China will be loud and clear. However, the US is preparing for a major conflict with them from around 2027 anyway. The US cannot afford an all-out war aginst China, it has far too many companies that are dependent on Chinese production.

 

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How do you know they don't?

Putin going to attack NATO is he?

Why can't European nations spend meaningful sums on Defence?

the US is preparing for a conflict with China from around 2027. They are committed to directly defending Taiwan in the event of an act of aggression from China. I note they were not prepared to defend Ukraine in a similar way.

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How do you know they don't?

 

"In the poll conducted by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology between 13 and 18 May 2022, 77% of Ukrainians living in Russian-occupied territory said they did not support any territorial concessions to Russia, even if it would prolong the war A KIIS poll conducted in September 2022 found that 87% of Ukrainians opposed any territorial concessions to Russia, up from 82% in May 2022. Only 24% of ethnic Russians in Ukraine supported territorial concessions to Russia."

https://web.archive.org/web/20220626003408/https://www.businesslive.co.za/bloomberg/news/2022-05-24-most-ukrainians-rule-out-any-territorial-concessions-to-end-war/

https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/16/ukraine-crisis-concessions-poll

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24 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How do you know they don't?

Putin going to attack NATO is he?

Why can't European nations spend meaningful sums on Defence?

the US is preparing for a conflict with China from around 2027. They are committed to directly defending Taiwan in the event of an act of aggression from China. I note they were not prepared to defend Ukraine in a similar way.

If he suspects that the US won't stand behind them and/or the US are pre occupied elsewhere (Taiwan/China) it's a distinct possibility. If Trump pulls US support for Ukraine, is he going to support a conflict with Russia if they have a pop at Latvia or Estonia? He should, but would he? 

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Putin going to attack NATO is he?

He certainly has plans for Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. He would probably like more control over Finland as well, as part of his bid to rebuild Peter the Great's Russian Empire. If he gets away with his actions in Ukraine he will feel enabled and justified.

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3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

He certainly has plans for Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. He would probably like more control over Finland as well, as part of his bid to rebuild Peter the Great's Russian Empire. If he gets away with his actions in Ukraine he will feel enabled and justified.

Saying that fe certainly has plans is strong and unsubstantiated. Likely ambitions is as far as I'd go, but I think it becomes more than that if we get Trump. 

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1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

According to this, only Belgium, Italy, Spain, and Portugal will spend less than 2% of GDP on defence this year;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-44717074

So, not a great deal then. Most of us who do scratch over 2% do so with more imaginative means of accounting for it.

Why does Europe need to have the US to protect us? We are a collection of largely developed, rich and forward thinking nations, scrabbling around for 2% each (bar Poland) is pretty piss poor. 

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Saying that fe certainly has plans is strong and unsubstantiated. Likely ambitions is as far as I'd go, but I think it becomes more than that if we get Trump. 

How far his intentions stretch is currently a metter of opinion; he has plans and ambitions, these are clearly documented, and should Trump "finish the war in one day" then Putin will feel justified in having initiated the SMO, and have far fewer qualms about turning his eye towards his next target. His justification for attacking Ukraine was that it "is not a proper country", and the same line of argument will be rolled out for the Baltics.

What chance of a new wave of 'little green men' posing as pro-Russian independence fighters ?

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How far his intentions stretch is currently a metter of opinion; he has plans and ambitions, these are clearly documented, and should Trump "finish the war in one day" then Putin will feel justified in having initiated the SMO, and have far fewer qualms about turning his eye towards his next target. His justification for attacking Ukraine was that it "is not a proper country", and the same line of argument will be rolled out for the Baltics.

What chance of a new wave of 'little green men' posing as pro-Russian independence fighters ?

Seeing as Russia have been running out of munitions for the last 2 years, how quickly do you anticipate he will he ready to take on NATO...or even a collection of NATO nations?

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Seeing as Russia have been running out of munitions for the last 2 years, how quickly do you anticipate he will he ready to take on NATO...or even a collection of NATO nations?

No idea. I have no experience of how the mind of a megalomaniac works. All I can do is read and quote the things he has published, and judge him by his actions.

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28 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

How far his intentions stretch is currently a metter of opinion; he has plans and ambitions, these are clearly documented, and should Trump "finish the war in one day" then Putin will feel justified in having initiated the SMO, and have far fewer qualms about turning his eye towards his next target. His justification for attacking Ukraine was that it "is not a proper country", and the same line of argument will be rolled out for the Baltics.

What chance of a new wave of 'little green men' posing as pro-Russian independence fighters ?

You suggested that he had plans re the Baltic states. There is no suggestion that he has plans, that's a guess. For what it's worth, if Trump pulls support for Ukraine, the European part of NATO won't stop Putin, NATO will look weak, and I can then see plans for the Baltic states as a starting point. 

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You suggested that he had plans re the Baltic states. There is no suggestion that he has plans, that's a guess.

Estonia's Foreign Minister says NATO has 'perhaps three or four years to prepare'.

 

Also, from a paywalled article in The Times last month;

"Lithuania is preparing for a possible escalation in tensions with neighbouring Belarus, Russia’s biggest ally in Europe, its foreign minister has said.

Last month Belarus accused Lithuania of trying to target its capital, Minsk, with combat drones, a claim that was rebuffed as absurd. The allegation came shortly after Alexander Lukashenko, the Belarusian dictator, openly discussed a potential attack on the Suwalki Gap, a sliver of territory on the Polish-Lithuanian border that has been identified by analysts as Nato’s Achilles’ heel.

“We hear things like this almost every week. And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s happening now,” Gabrielius Landsbergis, Lithuania’s foreign minister, said during an interview with The Times on Wednesday."

 No way is Luka acting without Putin's direction..

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34 minutes ago, whelk said:

I imagine there will be some gullible people out there who don’t realise this was false flag shit?

As it was breaking last night, so a matter of moments, they were already mentioning the swirl of theories around the incident, as they looked to capture information.

Sadly, one person killed and 2 critically injured. Thoughts are with their families.

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Republicans are pinning this on the Democrats, and Biden.

Vice presidential hopeful Senator JD Vance blamed the “rhetoric” of the Biden campaign for the “attempted assassination” of Trump.

Other leading Republicans have also sought to blame Biden and the Democrats.

Vivek Ramaswamy, a businessman who ran for president and is also under consideration to be Trump’s running mate, said that “Biden’s inevitable ritual condemnation of political violence today… will be insufficient and irrelevant”.

“No amount of verbiage today changes the toxic national climate that led to this tragedy,” he added.

Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, a vocal Trump supporter, accused the Democrats – without evidence – of “want[ing] this to happen”.

“They’ve wanted Trump gone for years and they’re prepared to do anything to make that happen,” she said.

Meanwhile, Republican Congressman Mike Collins simply said: “Joe Biden sent the orders.”

Biden and other leading Democrats have denounced the shooting of Trump and there are fears that escalating rhetoric could lead to more unrest.

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