Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[revolution saint]

3 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

How many other democracies have a head of state who is above the law?

Us.  King Charles

[CB Fry]

11 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Us.  King Charles

Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you?

Did she die in vain?

[revolution saint]

11 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Does Magna Carta mean nothing to you?

Did she die in vain?

The monarch remains personally immune from criminal and civil actions

[buctootim]

7 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I get the facepalm but he also has a point.

In the UK we have a genuinely impartial court system and a Supreme Court that seems to have pretty universal support. Judges are appointed solely on their merit by the monarch. Its really difficult for us to conceive of judges as political jobs appointed because they match the view of the world of whoever is the sitting President. I had the 'they only interpret what the lawmakers intended in draughting the law' argument for years with various educated US colleagues of both shades. No-one there buys that. They are as politicised as if they were a Senator and probably with more power. 

Over 300 Supreme court cases have been over turned by subsequent Supreme courts without the law changing.  So yep, it is possible for Supreme Courts to act unlawfully  

  

[buctootim]

1 hour ago, revolution saint said:

The monarch remains personally immune from criminal and civil actions

Tell that to Charles 1st 

[sadoldgit]

Head of state then head on a pole.

[Lighthouse]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl5y8n5d09qo
 

Well, if there is a god we could do with a favour.

[The Cat]

Possibly bollocks, but there's apparently a solo press conference scheduled for Thursday when Biden will pull out of the election campaign

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, The Cat said:

Possibly bollocks, but there's apparently a solo press conference scheduled for Thursday when Biden will pull out of the election campaign

Why would he pull out having just given an interview saying he definitely won't? Short of some diagnosis of some kind it doesn't look like he's going which is mental really. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would he pull out having just given an interview saying he definitely won't? Short of some diagnosis of some kind it doesn't look like he's going which is mental really. 

Can only assume the reason they are in a tizz to do ‘something’ about Biden now, is because there was a wait for the legal outcome from Trump’s situation.

Biden has been away with their fairies for a long time, what he is doing now is nothing new.

So sad for such a powerful country 

[Fan The Flames]

12 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Can only assume the reason they are in a tizz to do ‘something’ about Biden now, is because there was a wait for the legal outcome from Trump’s situation.

Biden has been away with their fairies for a long time, what he is doing now is nothing new.

So sad for such a powerful country 

He's not away with the fairies, he's old that's all.

If the donors are drying up then that might change things.

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Can only assume the reason they are in a tizz to do ‘something’ about Biden now, is because there was a wait for the legal outcome from Trump’s situation.

Biden has been away with their fairies for a long time, what he is doing now is nothing new.

So sad for such a powerful country 

The reason is because the debate performance was so awful that no one could put a brave face on it anymore. 

[AlexLaw76]

7 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

He's not away with the fairies, he's old that's all.

If the donors are drying up then that might change things.

For a while he has been acting in a way that has no business being the leader of a country, let alone the USA

[Fan The Flames]

32 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

For a while he has been acting in a way that has no business being the leader of a country, let alone the USA

The democrats are a disgrace putting him up as as the candidate, it's an insult to the country.

[egg]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Why would he pull out having just given an interview saying he definitely won't? Short of some diagnosis of some kind it doesn't look like he's going which is mental really. 

Ego, pride and stubbornness were probably behind that interview. I suspect he'll be talked around to the reality of the outcome for him and his country if he doesn't step aside. 

[buctootim]

4 hours ago, Fan The Flames said:

He's not away with the fairies, he's old that's all.

Agree with that. He's perfectly normal for an 81 year old man - slower, less reliable memory, usually people have difficulty processing complex tasks. He's going to get a lot worse quickly over four years. There is some speculation he has Parkinson's not dementia. 

He's streets ahead of Trump but that isnt enough. We all need the US to have a President like Obama, Clinton, George H Bush, even Reagan in his first term.  

   

Edited July 7 by buctootim

[buctootim]

3 hours ago, egg said:

Ego, pride and stubbornness were probably behind that interview. I suspect he'll be talked around to the reality of the outcome for him and his country if he doesn't step aside. 

His family seem to be the block 

[whelk]

Biden’s legacy will be handing Trump the presidency. Unforgivable and selfish and I’m resigned to that clown being back in power in January. Democrats don’t deserve it if they can’t put forward a credible candidate. 

[Fan The Flames]

Maybe the deep state won't let Biden pull out, wanting Trump to win to avoid a civil war.

[buctootim]

6 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

Maybe the deep state won't let Biden pull out, wanting Trump to win to avoid a civil war.

[Fan The Flames]

18 hours ago, buctootim said:

Forgive me I'd listened to too much of Steve Bannon's nonsense 

[farawaysaint]

Too late to pull Biden out I'm afraid and no chance of him winning as things stand. I've resigned myself to another Trump term which with the current stacked Supreme Court is likely disastrous for a lot of issues.  

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, farawaysaint said:

Too late to pull Biden out I'm afraid and no chance of him winning as things stand. I've resigned myself to another Trump term which with the current stacked Supreme Court is likely disastrous for a lot of issues.  

Resigned yourself? Do you you live over there? 

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Resigned yourself? Do you you live over there? 

Do we exist in a vacuum ? Plenty of US policy, both domestic and foreign, has an impact on the UK.

Edited July 8 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Resigned yourself? Do you you live over there? 

I'm guessing Faraway saint may well live in the US - which is quite far away...

[AlexLaw76]

 

[east-stand-nic]

2 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

 

But 95% on here still vote for the old fool. Amazing how their Trump derangement will not allow them to see all the good he did and will do again while this old boy just destroys the country. 

[Tamesaint]

55 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

But 95% on here still vote for the old fool. Amazing how their Trump derangement will not allow them to see all the good he did and will do again while this old boy just destroys the country. 

So please tell us. What were the good things that Trump did? 

 

 

[The Kraken]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

But 95% on here still vote for the old fool. Amazing how their Trump derangement will not allow them to see all the good he did and will do again while this old boy just destroys the country. 

Interesting. I must be in the 5% who won’t be voting for Biden.

[hypochondriac]

On 07/07/2024 at 15:21, whelk said:

Biden’s legacy will be handing Trump the presidency. Unforgivable and selfish and I’m resigned to that clown being back in power in January. Democrats don’t deserve it if they can’t put forward a credible candidate. 

Yep. Democrats won't like to hear it but if they don't dump Biden and Trump is back next year then they are almost solely to blame. 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

But 95% on here still vote for the old fool. Amazing how their Trump derangement will not allow them to see all the good he did and will do again while this old boy just destroys the country. 

How many of us do you think are American or based in America? I won’t be voting for either (because I don’t have a vote 🙄).

Edited July 12 by sadoldgit

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

But 95% on here still vote for the old fool. Amazing how their Trump derangement will not allow them to see all the good he did and will do again while this old boy just destroys the country. 

The only 'Trump derangement' is exhibited by the MAGA morons who still swallow his BS without hesitation or questioning.

[sadoldgit]

18 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The only 'Trump derangement' is exhibited by the MAGA morons who still swallow his BS without hesitation or questioning.

I had lunch with one yesterday. Pleasant bloke but after he talked about Trump and Farage being the way forward he started to go on about the various conspiracy theories that MAGA people seem to believe in wholesale too. He is a Brit but lived in the US for many years. Not surprisingly he admitted that he spent the first few years there in what he realises now, but didn’t know then to be, a cult.

What is particularly curious is that they can tell you chapter and verse about the alleged deep, state, the alleged corruption of Hunter Biden and the whole of the Democratic Party whilst completely overlooking Trump’s behaviour and actions.

Edited July 12 by sadoldgit

[Whitey Grandad]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I had lunch with one yesterday. Pleasant bloke but after he talked about Trump and Farage being the way forward he started to go on about the various conspiracy theories that MAGA people seem to believe in wholesale too. He is a Brit but lived in the US for many years. Not surprisingly he admitted that he spent the first few years there in what he realises now, but didn’t know then to be, a cult.

Cults are everywhere. 

[sadoldgit]

5 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Cults are everywhere. 

They are, but the American ones seem to be particularly batshit crazy.

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

They are, but the American ones seem to be particularly batshit crazy.

I dunno. Some of those people who vote for the green party over here are batshit insane themselves. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

59 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Cults are everywhere. 

We're lucky we have posters who point out a cult when they see one. Oh, wait that's not cult they've said...

🙂

[Fan The Flames]

5 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

But 95% on here still vote for the old fool. Amazing how their Trump derangement will not allow them to see all the good he did and will do again while this old boy just destroys the country. 

This type of discourse, where one side is wonderful and the other is a destroyer, is pathetic.

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

I had lunch with one yesterday. Pleasant bloke but after he talked about Trump and Farage being the way forward he started to go on about the various conspiracy theories that MAGA people seem to believe in wholesale too.

#didnthappen 

[Guided Missile]

Biden=Grandpa Simpson

[badgerx16]

16 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Biden=Grandpa Simpson

Talking of MAGA  morons........

[Holmes_and_Watson]

53 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

#didnthappen 

I felt about guilty after waving  off my fictitious conspiracy theorist, only to watch the taxi fall off the end of the Flat Earth. 😒

Edited July 12 by Holmes_and_Watson
autocarrot

[sadoldgit]

42 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Biden=Grandpa Simpson

Trump = Homer Simpson

[Dark Munster]

15 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

So please tell us. What were the good things that Trump did? 

I'll let GM and the other right wing extremists come up with his good things. Good luck with that.

Here's a partial list of the not so good achievements of the twice-impeached Orange Mussolini. 

— Sharing secrets with Russia that burned US and US ally spies.
— Inciting rebellion against the United States on January 6th.
— Running his businesses from the White House while multiple foreign governments poured cash into his properties in violation of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause.
— Stealing national defense secrets from the White House, leaving them lying around in open rooms and bathrooms, and then lying to the FBI about them.
— Raping and then threatening and defaming E. Jean Carroll.
— Criminally obstructing investigations into his campaign’s ties to Russia.
— Conspiring with Republicans in multiple states to defraud the American people with forged Electoral College certificates.
— Threatening Georgia’s Secretary of State with criminal prosecution if he wouldn’t “find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have.”
— Violating campaign finance laws on multiple occasions.
— Committing tax and insurance fraud.
— Abandoned our Kurdish allies to Putin, leading to their mass slaughter by Russian troops and warplanes.
— Gave to Russia at least one spy we know of in an Oval Office meeting with that country’s foreign minister and US ambassador.
— Convicted on 34 felony charges for falsifying business records in relation to hush money payments to a porn star. 
— Did his best to destroy NATO and hand Ukraine to Putin.
— Extorting a foreign leader to manufacture dirt on his political opponent.
— Mismanaged the Covid crisis so badly America had the developed world’s highest mortality rate with at least a half-million unnecessary deaths.

[Tamesaint]

5 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

I'll let GM and the other right wing extremists come up with his good things. Good luck with that.

Here's a partial list of the not so good achievements of the twice-impeached Orange Mussolini. 

— Sharing secrets with Russia that burned US and US ally spies.
— Inciting rebellion against the United States on January 6th.
— Running his businesses from the White House while multiple foreign governments poured cash into his properties in violation of the Constitution’s Emoluments Clause.
— Stealing national defense secrets from the White House, leaving them lying around in open rooms and bathrooms, and then lying to the FBI about them.
— Raping and then threatening and defaming E. Jean Carroll.
— Criminally obstructing investigations into his campaign’s ties to Russia.
— Conspiring with Republicans in multiple states to defraud the American people with forged Electoral College certificates.
— Threatening Georgia’s Secretary of State with criminal prosecution if he wouldn’t “find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have.”
— Violating campaign finance laws on multiple occasions.
— Committing tax and insurance fraud.
— Abandoned our Kurdish allies to Putin, leading to their mass slaughter by Russian troops and warplanes.
— Gave to Russia at least one spy we know of in an Oval Office meeting with that country’s foreign minister and US ambassador.
— Convicted on 34 felony charges for falsifying business records in relation to hush money payments to a porn star. 
— Did his best to destroy NATO and hand Ukraine to Putin.
— Extorting a foreign leader to manufacture dirt on his political opponent.
— Mismanaged the Covid crisis so badly America had the developed world’s highest mortality rate with at least a half-million unnecessary deaths.

I am sure that crazy nic will be along any moment now with a rebuttal. 😁😁😁

[Guided Missile]

6 hours ago, Dark Munster said:

I'll let GM and the other right wing extremists come up with his good things. Good luck with that.

This "right wing extremist" (actually small c conservative) is happy to oblige the red book clutching Marxist:

Economic and Domestic Policies

1. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017): This legislation reduced the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and included various individual tax cuts.
2. Deregulation: The Trump administration focused on rolling back regulations, particularly in environmental and financial sectors, claiming to boost business growth.
3. Unemployment Rates: Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. experienced low unemployment rates, with historic lows for African American and Hispanic populations.
4. Stock Market Growth: The stock market saw significant gains, reaching record highs during his presidency, especially before the COVID-19 pandemic.

Trade and Foreign Policy

1. USMCA (United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement): Replacing NAFTA, this trade deal aimed to better protect American workers and industries.
2. China Trade Deal: The Phase One trade deal with China was signed in January 2020, addressing some trade imbalances and intellectual property issues.
3. Middle East Peace Deals: The Abraham Accords led to the normalization of relations between Israel and several Arab nations, including the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco.
4. NATO Spending: Trump pushed NATO allies to increase their defense spending, arguing that the U.S. was shouldering too much of the financial burden.

Judicial Appointments

1. Supreme Court Justices: Trump appointed three Supreme Court Justices—Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—shaping the judicial landscape for decades.
2. Federal Judges: He appointed over 200 federal judges, significantly influencing the federal judiciary.

Immigration Policies

1. Border Security: Trump prioritized building a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, with portions of the wall completed during his tenure.
2. Travel Ban: The administration implemented a travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries, which was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2018.
3. Changes to Asylum and Refugee Policies: Various policies aimed at reducing the number of asylum seekers and refugees entering the U.S.

Health and Science

1. COVID-19 Response: Operation Warp Speed facilitated the rapid development, production, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.
2. Right to Try Act: This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments not yet approved by the FDA.

Criminal Justice Reform

1. First Step Act: A bipartisan criminal justice reform bill that aimed to reduce recidivism and improve prison conditions, including the early release of some non-violent offenders.

Military and Veterans

1. Military Funding: Increased defense budget and investment in the U.S. military.
2. Veterans Affairs Reforms: Measures to improve the Veterans Health Administration, including the VA MISSION Act which expanded healthcare access for veterans.

Environmental and Energy Policies

1. Paris Climate Agreement Withdrawal: Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement, citing economic concerns.
2. Energy Independence: The administration promoted fossil fuel development, including oil, natural gas, and coal, and reduced restrictions on energy production.

Education

1. School Choice and Vouchers: The administration advocated for school choice, promoting charter schools and voucher programs.

[egg]

54 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

This "right wing extremist" (actually small c conservative) is happy to oblige the red book clutching Marxist:

Economic and Domestic Policies

1. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017): This legislation reduced the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and included various individual tax cuts.
2. Deregulation: The Trump administration focused on rolling back regulations, particularly in environmental and financial sectors, claiming to boost business growth.
3. Unemployment Rates: Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. experienced low unemployment rates, with historic lows for African American and Hispanic populations.
4. Stock Market Growth: The stock market saw significant gains, reaching record highs during his presidency, especially before the COVID-19 pandemic.

Trade and Foreign Policy

1. USMCA (United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement): Replacing NAFTA, this trade deal aimed to better protect American workers and industries.
2. China Trade Deal: The Phase One trade deal with China was signed in January 2020, addressing some trade imbalances and intellectual property issues.
3. Middle East Peace Deals: The Abraham Accords led to the normalization of relations between Israel and several Arab nations, including the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco.
4. NATO Spending: Trump pushed NATO allies to increase their defense spending, arguing that the U.S. was shouldering too much of the financial burden.

Judicial Appointments

1. Supreme Court Justices: Trump appointed three Supreme Court Justices—Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—shaping the judicial landscape for decades.
2. Federal Judges: He appointed over 200 federal judges, significantly influencing the federal judiciary.

Immigration Policies

1. Border Security: Trump prioritized building a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, with portions of the wall completed during his tenure.
2. Travel Ban: The administration implemented a travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries, which was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2018.
3. Changes to Asylum and Refugee Policies: Various policies aimed at reducing the number of asylum seekers and refugees entering the U.S.

Health and Science

1. COVID-19 Response: Operation Warp Speed facilitated the rapid development, production, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.
2. Right to Try Act: This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments not yet approved by the FDA.

Criminal Justice Reform

1. First Step Act: A bipartisan criminal justice reform bill that aimed to reduce recidivism and improve prison conditions, including the early release of some non-violent offenders.

Military and Veterans

1. Military Funding: Increased defense budget and investment in the U.S. military.
2. Veterans Affairs Reforms: Measures to improve the Veterans Health Administration, including the VA MISSION Act which expanded healthcare access for veterans.

Environmental and Energy Policies

1. Paris Climate Agreement Withdrawal: Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement, citing economic concerns.
2. Energy Independence: The administration promoted fossil fuel development, including oil, natural gas, and coal, and reduced restrictions on energy production.

Education

1. School Choice and Vouchers: The administration advocated for school choice, promoting charter schools and voucher programs.

Can't be arsed to address them all, but explain how the judicial appointments, especially in the Supreme Court, are a good thing. 

[Guided Missile]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Can't be arsed to address them all, but explain how the judicial appointments, especially in the Supreme Court, are a good thing. 

1. Judicial Philosophy

Trump's appointees are often described as originalists or textualists, meaning they interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning or the exact wording of the text. This approach is valued by those who believe in a limited role for the judiciary and a strict adherence to the framers' intentions.

2. Balance of Power

By appointing conservative judges, Trump helped shift the ideological balance of the federal courts, including the Supreme Court. Supporters argue that this helps counteract what they see as judicial activism, where judges make rulings based on personal or political considerations rather than the law.

3. Longevity

Federal judges, including Supreme Court justices, serve lifetime appointments. This means Trump's appointees will influence American law and policy for decades, ensuring a lasting legacy of conservative jurisprudence.

4. Rule of Law

Proponents argue that Trump's judges uphold the rule of law by making decisions based on legal principles rather than policy preferences. They believe this creates a more predictable and stable legal environment.

5. Religious and Second Amendment Rights

Many of Trump's judicial appointees have strong records on protecting religious freedoms and Second Amendment rights, which are key issues for many conservative and libertarian voters.

6. Economic Regulation

Conservative judges often favour less government intervention in the economy. Supporters believe Trump's appointees will be more likely to strike down regulations they see as overreaching, thus promoting economic growth and individual enterprise.

7. Diversity of Thought

While often critiqued for a lack of demographic diversity, Trump’s judicial appointments brought a diversity of thought and philosophy to the bench, which some argue is equally important in a balanced judiciary.

8. Accountability and Transparency

Trump's judges are seen as more likely to support measures that increase government accountability and transparency, potentially leading to a more honest and efficient government.

[Fan The Flames]

1 hour ago, Guided Missile said:

This "right wing extremist" (actually small c conservative) is happy to oblige the red book clutching Marxist:

Economic and Domestic Policies

1. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (2017): This legislation reduced the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% and included various individual tax cuts.
2. Deregulation: The Trump administration focused on rolling back regulations, particularly in environmental and financial sectors, claiming to boost business growth.
3. Unemployment Rates: Prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, the U.S. experienced low unemployment rates, with historic lows for African American and Hispanic populations.
4. Stock Market Growth: The stock market saw significant gains, reaching record highs during his presidency, especially before the COVID-19 pandemic.

Trade and Foreign Policy

1. USMCA (United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement): Replacing NAFTA, this trade deal aimed to better protect American workers and industries.
2. China Trade Deal: The Phase One trade deal with China was signed in January 2020, addressing some trade imbalances and intellectual property issues.
3. Middle East Peace Deals: The Abraham Accords led to the normalization of relations between Israel and several Arab nations, including the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan, and Morocco.
4. NATO Spending: Trump pushed NATO allies to increase their defense spending, arguing that the U.S. was shouldering too much of the financial burden.

Judicial Appointments

1. Supreme Court Justices: Trump appointed three Supreme Court Justices—Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett—shaping the judicial landscape for decades.
2. Federal Judges: He appointed over 200 federal judges, significantly influencing the federal judiciary.

Immigration Policies

1. Border Security: Trump prioritized building a border wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, with portions of the wall completed during his tenure.
2. Travel Ban: The administration implemented a travel ban on several predominantly Muslim countries, which was upheld by the Supreme Court in 2018.
3. Changes to Asylum and Refugee Policies: Various policies aimed at reducing the number of asylum seekers and refugees entering the U.S.

Health and Science

1. COVID-19 Response: Operation Warp Speed facilitated the rapid development, production, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines.
2. Right to Try Act: This law allows terminally ill patients to try experimental treatments not yet approved by the FDA.

Criminal Justice Reform

1. First Step Act: A bipartisan criminal justice reform bill that aimed to reduce recidivism and improve prison conditions, including the early release of some non-violent offenders.

Military and Veterans

1. Military Funding: Increased defense budget and investment in the U.S. military.
2. Veterans Affairs Reforms: Measures to improve the Veterans Health Administration, including the VA MISSION Act which expanded healthcare access for veterans.

Environmental and Energy Policies

1. Paris Climate Agreement Withdrawal: Trump withdrew the U.S. from the Paris Climate Agreement, citing economic concerns.
2. Energy Independence: The administration promoted fossil fuel development, including oil, natural gas, and coal, and reduced restrictions on energy production.

Education

1. School Choice and Vouchers: The administration advocated for school choice, promoting charter schools and voucher programs.

So where's your list of good things?

[Guided Missile]

11 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said:

So where's your list of good things?

#TDS