Baird of the land Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 9 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Trump reckons he can stop the wars in Ukraine and the Middle East "in one day'. The last time he negotiated a peace treaty was with the Taliban in Afghanistan. He's fantasist that's for sure. That said I do think there's a load of war hawks petrified that he'd throw a bucket of water over the Russia conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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moonraker Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 2 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Wow just wow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Listening to another vox pop on the radio and what struck me is that the republican supporters talk in such existential terms, that if Trump doesn't get in America is over, democracy is dead and that life as they know it ends. Trump really is their saviour, it's such a crazy way of thinking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 25 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Listening to another vox pop on the radio and what struck me is that the republican supporters talk in such existential terms, that if Trump doesn't get in America is over, democracy is dead and that life as they know it ends. Trump really is their saviour, it's such a crazy way of thinking. Whilst that is true, you can hardly say the other side aren't guilty of the same thing. You've even had people on here suggesting that Trump is going to end democracy and become a dictator if he gets back in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Whilst that is true, you can hardly say the other side aren't guilty of the same thing. You've even had people on here suggesting that Trump is going to end democracy and become a dictator if he gets back in. Trump has actually used the words ‘be a dictator’ and he tried to overturn the democratic election last time round, so I can sort of understand the domestic fears of the other side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Baird of the land said: Trump has actually used the words ‘be a dictator’ and he tried to overturn the democratic election last time round, so I can sort of understand the domestic fears of the other side. See what I mean you've even got someone here thinking it's going to happen. You had commentators last time he got in saying similar things and saying it was going to be Armageddon. Guess what, he said a load of stupid stuff and nothing of consequence happened. If trump gets in this time he won't even be allowed on the ballot in four years. Edited January 24 by hypochondriac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 48 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: See what I mean you've even got someone here thinking it's going to happen. You had commentators last time he got in saying similar things and saying it was going to be Armageddon. Guess what, he said a load of stupid stuff and nothing of consequence happened. If trump gets in this time he won't even be allowed on the ballot in four years. I think assuming trump is going to follow established norms is risky. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if trump tried to find a way to remove the term limit that was only added to constitution in 50’s if he took into his head that he wanted another go at being elected.(he probably wouldn’t succeed) Yes a lot of what he says is stupid bluster. His attempts to overturn the previous result weren’t just bluster though, hence why I said I understand people’s fears. Edited January 25 by Baird of the land 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, hypochondriac said: See what I mean you've even got someone here thinking it's going to happen. You had commentators last time he got in saying similar things and saying it was going to be Armageddon. Guess what, he said a load of stupid stuff and nothing of consequence happened. If trump gets in this time he won't even be allowed on the ballot in four years. The events of 6 January 2021 disprove your assertion that "nothing of consequence happened". 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Tamesaint said: The events of 6 January 2021 disprove your assertion that "nothing of consequence happened". Biden became the next president. If trump gets in then after four years there will be another president. Everyone wetting their pants about him being Hitler are ridiculous. He isn't going to end presidential elections no matter how evil the caricature on some people's heads is. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 hours ago, Fan The Flames said: Listening to another vox pop on the radio and what struck me is that the republican supporters talk in such existential terms, that if Trump doesn't get in America is over, democracy is dead and that life as they know it ends. Trump really is their saviour, it's such a crazy way of thinking. As a reporter said the other day, the Trump movement is now a cult, a very large one that. The man himself has proved beyond any reasonable doubt that his cultish followers will blindly follow him no matter the lies, the felonies, the racism, the misogyny. We have seen it so many times before in America, but never in this scale. But the real danger isn’t the man himself, it is those who enable him either by direct support or by playing down his threat levels. Who in their right mind would like a Charles Manson figure (feel free to add any cult leader of your choice here) leading the most powerful nation on the planet? Sadly many do. I listened to a young black American guy the other day explain why he and his friends are actively supporting Trump. It was so depressing. He taps into the worst of people’s fears and exploits them for his own personal gain. What is frightening as that he couldn’t care less about these people so long as he gets their vote, but they still hang on his every word. We have seen it time and time again through history and we have yet another cult leader seeking power again with the same sheep prepared to give it to him.People who play the threat this man poses need to have their heads examined. Sociopaths show you exactly who and what they are. Trump has been doing it for years and getting away with it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) More than 100 of Trumps former staffers - people he picked and worked for him have come out and said he isn't fit for office. Only three people who worked for him are still supporting. If that fact doesn't tell you what you need to know, nothing will Edited January 26 by buctootim 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 hours ago, Baird of the land said: I think assuming trump is going to follow established norms is risky. I wouldn’t be at all shocked if trump tried to find a way to remove the term limit that was only added to constitution in 50’s if he took into his head that he wanted another go at being elected.(he probably wouldn’t succeed) Yes a lot of what he says is stupid bluster. His attempts to overturn the previous result weren’t just bluster though, hence why I said I understand people’s fears. I see extending the term limit as totally reasonable. I always thought the two term limit as a bit excessive/odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 13 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Whilst that is true, you can hardly say the other side aren't guilty of the same thing. You've even had people on here suggesting that Trump is going to end democracy and become a dictator if he gets back in. The dictator for a day thing was just trolling. What do you think Biden's administration has done to make so many MAGA so scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: I see extending the term limit as totally reasonable. I always thought the two term limit as a bit excessive/odd. I think, however, that we can all be grateful that the proposal from Alexander Hamilton and James Maddison, that Presidents be elected for life, was not adopted by the Founding Fathers of the Republic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 8 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: What do you think Biden's administration has done to make so many MAGA so scared. According to a number of YouTube interviews he has crashed the economy, ( not true), unemployment is at a record high, ( not true. ), and the price of gasoline is at an astronomical $5 per gallon, ( it is actually a bit over $3 per gallon in most states ). Above all else - hE sToLe ThE eLeCtIoN. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: According to a number of YouTube interviews he has crashed the economy, ( not true), unemployment is at a record high, ( not true. ), and the price of gasoline is at an astronomical $5 per gallon, ( it is actually a bit over $3 per gallon in most states ). Above all else - hE sToLe ThE eLeCtIoN. We are living in a post fact world. It's worrying that you can't convince these people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Just now, Fan The Flames said: We are living in a post fact world. It's worrying that you can't convince these people. You would think that as they pay their $3.15 for a gallon of petrol that something would register in their perception to recognise they hadn't actually paid $5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 The fact is we have huge polarisation in America between people on the right and left to a much greater degree than you get in this country. Hence you get some mad statements from both extremes about how it's the end of America if either group gets in over the other. Social media is the most likely cause for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: The fact is we have huge polarisation in America between people on the right and left to a much greater degree than you get in this country. Hence you get some mad statements from both extremes about how it's the end of America if either group gets in over the other. Social media is the most likely cause for me. It amuses me how the American left get portrayed as "communists'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said: It amuses me how the American left get portrayed as "communists'. Some of the more extreme factions espouse certain policies that would align with some tenets of socialism but I agree though that making broad brush statements are mad. You do get some on the left calling everyone to the right of them nazis which is equally ridiculous. Something like this today from someone on the right is both funny and sad, mostly because I doubt he really believes this. Social media really is a cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: . You do get some on the left calling everyone to the right of them nazis which is equally ridiculous. To be fair, that isn't isolated to just 'Merica!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: To be fair, that isn't isolated to just 'Merica!! No it isn't but as I said, the polarisation between left and right is much greater there than anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 20 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: No it isn't but as I said, the polarisation between left and right is much greater there than anywhere else. and you are a trump supporting fan boy who worships Tommy Robinson and Katy Hopkins, it's well documented on here, so well documented i still cant find any posts on it 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 33 minutes ago, hypochondriac said: Some of the more extreme factions espouse certain policies that would align with some tenets of socialism but I agree though that making broad brush statements are mad. You do get some on the left calling everyone to the right of them nazis which is equally ridiculous. Something like this today from someone on the right is both funny and sad, mostly because I doubt he really believes this. Social media really is a cancer. I thought Rwanda was a safe country. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Increasing numbers of Hispanic migrants are flying to Canada and entering the US from there. How long before there are calls for another wall ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Has anyone watched the latest Fargo season? Roy Tillman is alive and kicking, kills for God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 3 hours ago, badgerx16 said: I thought Rwanda was a safe country. According to the Home Office it is Probably safer than Dubai at the moment.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 6 hours ago, badgerx16 said: Increasing numbers of Hispanic migrants are flying to Canada and entering the US from there. How long before there are calls for another wall ? Trump won his first election on promising to build a wall, he didn't. He stands a good chance of winning again for promising to build a wall. Not a bad racket. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 4 minutes ago, Fan The Flames said: Trump won his first election on promising to build a wall, he didn't. He stands a good chance of winning again for promising to build a wall. Not a bad racket. Weird isn't it. Almost like he says loads and loads of shit that never actually happens. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guided Missile Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 Trump knows shit and German Politicians are Clever: NATO Meeting - 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 4 hours ago, Guided Missile said: Trump knows shit and German Politicians are Clever: NATO Meeting - 2018 No shit sherlock. That was Germanys policy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 23 hours ago, hypochondriac said: The fact is we have huge polarisation in America between people on the right and left to a much greater degree than you get in this country. Hence you get some mad statements from both extremes about how it's the end of America if either group gets in over the other. Social media is the most likely cause for me. And Fox News/Newsmax plus Truth Social 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 3 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: And Fox News/Newsmax plus Truth Social Extremes on both sides contribute to it. Some of the opinion offered as fact is laughable if it wasn't so serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 (edited) 58 minutes ago, spyinthesky said: And Fox News/Newsmax plus Truth Social Interestingly Fox News seem to be soft pedalling on Trump this time around. Tucker Carlson going was part of that realignment. Im pretty sure they'd prefer almost any Republican apart from him to win, but they are also limited by the fact their viewers are pretty much the same demographic as Trump's supporters. Edited January 26 by buctootim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Don’t know whether to be encouraged or not by these odds that there is some hope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 18 minutes ago, whelk said: Don’t know whether to be encouraged or not by these odds that there is some hope? Trumps support is very gradually ebbing away. Can't help thinking that somehow come the election the P{resident isnt going to be either Biden or Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 Another witch-hunt ruling I see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 15 hours ago, buctootim said: Trumps support is very gradually ebbing away. Can't help thinking that somehow come the election the P{resident isnt going to be either Biden or Trump. Well he's almost certain to be the nominee. If you want the democratic pick to be an alternative then everyone will be hoping for Biden to step down. Would be nice if the leader of the free world wasn't a lunatic or senile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 3 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Well he's almost certain to be the nominee. If you want the democratic pick to be an alternative then everyone will be hoping for Biden to step down. Would be nice if the leader of the free world wasn't a lunatic or senile. Doesn't Trump qualify as both a luunatic and senile? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 12 minutes ago, Tamesaint said: Doesn't Trump qualify as both a luunatic and senile? If you like. Biden is an appaling choice as president regardless of trump. Both parties should be looking to bring someone in significantly younger with intelligence and a vision for the country that isn't hugely extreme from opposite ends of the spectrum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Having said that, Europeans better be hoping that Trump gets in if they want to keep their energy prices to a reasonable level given that the green lobby is trying to ban exports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 5 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Well he's almost certain to be the nominee. If you want the democratic pick to be an alternative then everyone will be hoping for Biden to step down. Would be nice if the leader of the free world wasn't a lunatic or senile. A lot could happen. Trump could easily get disbarred from standing by the courts, go bankrupt, say / do something especially dumb that torpedoes himself, drop dead / become disabled or simply read the runes and withdraw gracefully. I reckon if Trump was out of the running Biden would be more likely to step down too, and anyhow he is just as likely to keel over. I reckon its only something like 50:50 of it being Biden v Trump. Ive got £50 on Haley at 50/1. Gavin Newson would be a really good pick for the Democrats. Edited January 27 by buctootim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, buctootim said: A lot could happen. Trump could easily get disbarred from standing by the courts, go bankrupt, say / do something especially dumb that torpedoes himself, drop dead / become disabled or simply read the runes and withdraw gracefully. I reckon if Trump was out of the running Biden would be more likely to step down too, and anyhow he is just as likely to keel over. I reckon its only something like 50:50 of it being Biden v Trump. Ive got £50 on Haley at 50/1. Gavin Newson would be a really good pick for the Democrats. That one is not possible to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Just now, Weston Super Saint said: That one is not possible to happen. Yep thats my long shot option, just behind starting a nuclear holocaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 30 minutes ago, buctootim said: A lot could happen. Trump could easily get disbarred from standing by the courts, go bankrupt, say / do something especially dumb that torpedoes himself, drop dead / become disabled or simply read the runes and withdraw gracefully. I reckon if Trump was out of the running Biden would be more likely to step down too, and anyhow he is just as likely to keel over. I reckon its only something like 50:50 of it being Biden v Trump. Ive got £50 on Haley at 50/1. Gavin Newson would be a really good pick for the Democrats. If it's nikki haley it's going to piss off a lot of republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Imo Michelle Obama wins by a landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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east-stand-nic Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 15 hours ago, hypochondriac said: Imo Michelle Obama wins by a landslide. It's Michael. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said: It's Michael. Nice of @sadoldgit to laugh at this piece of disgusting transphobia. Once again the mask slips. Edited January 28 by hypochondriac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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