Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[View From The Top]

What's the betting the NY AG unsealing and indictment against Trump next week as soon as he's ex-president Trump?

[Sheaf Saint]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-republicans-idUSKBN29H2RM

GOP house leadership apparently won't whip their members to vote against impeachment proceedings.

Is this the most principled stand they are capable of?

[View From The Top]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/trump-rioters-planned-online

[whelk]

Decent ITV doc at the moment with footage of it all. Some fcked up people in a fcked up country. 

[Tamesaint]

On 11/06/2018 at 14:03, Guided Missile said:

All the politicians, millionaire liberal "luvvies", middle class European sheep and most of the rest, were wrong about Trump. I liked him when I first read "Art of the Deal" back in 1987. Anyone that rubs politicians up the wrong way and is well on the way to achieving world peace, fair treatment for American workers and jobs for minorities is OK by me.

It just shows what a successful businessman can do, compared to a career politician.

I look forward to the Nobel Prize presentation...

Doesn't the first post on this thread look a bit pathetic these days. 

[moonraker]

3 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Doesn't the first post on this thread look a bit pathetic these days. 

Possibly the worst analysis in the lounge ever.  Don’t expect a retraction anytime soon.

[whelk]

4 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Doesn't the first post on this thread look a bit pathetic these days. 

It was pathetic at the time but expected from such a materialistic moron. Type of morally vacant twat that is impressed with Trump cos like does deals and that. Bet he is jealous of the vulgar gold decor too.

[View From The Top]

7 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Doesn't the first post on this thread look a bit pathetic these days. 

The narcistic nonce is usually wrong.

[badgerx16]

"Following the events that unfolded after the presidential elections, it is meaningless to refer to America as the example of democracy," said Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of the lower house of the Russian Parliament and a supporter of President Vladimir Putin.

[Sheaf Saint]

Some representatives have reported that a number of GOP reps were refusing to wear a mask while locked in the chamber, and were surprisingly calm. Was their being unmasked a deliberate way for the attackers to identify them and leave them unharmed perhaps? Ordinarily I would dismiss this kind of thinking as too far-fetched, but given some of what has been coming out in the last few days, I really wouldn't say it's outside the realms of possibility. The implications of that are truly horrific.

[Baird of the land]

Hope the story that ivanka trump banned the secret service agents protecting them from using any of their multiple bathrooms is true.

 

[saint1977]

On 09/01/2021 at 17:29, Lord Duckhunter said:

Don’t be so ridiculous. A coup-sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government. Are you seriously trying to claim they were trying to seize power? Stop exaggerating, I’ve seen worse in Maidstone on a Sat night.  

There’s clearly some very bad people in Maidstone on a Friday night - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55626148

[Sheaf Saint]

[saint1977]

39 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Nice pic. Knife edge as to whether Senate will impeach. Would suit the moderate Republicans to ban Trump for 2024 and sever him from the party. However, might be better for the Democrats if he is in the background as they will hold onto both Houses for longer. Not good for Biden’s first 100 days though.

[whelk]

Hearing some of the police accounts is very disturbing and the violence seems to have been underplayed. Wonder how these brave patriots are courageously facing up to some jail time.

I give that bearded camp Auschwitz cunt 5 minutes with the brothers 

[buctootim]

10 hours ago, saint1977 said:

Would suit the moderate Republicans to ban Trump for 2024 and sever him from the party. However, might be better for the Democrats if he is in the background as they will hold onto both Houses for longer. 

The Republicans problem is that demographics have moved against them. Getting most of the white middle and upper class used to be enough to get elected, but its not anymore. They also need the working class nationalists Trump has brought in. The problem for moderate Republicans is how to ditch Trump, change policies but still keep the Capitol headbangers onboard  

Edited 15 January, 2021 by buctootim

[suewhistle]

12 minutes ago, whelk said:

I give that bearded camp Auschwitz cunt 5 minutes with the brothers 

I've heard that the Village People shaman is insisting on organic food in prison.. But given the research that has come out into the differences as to how they police left wing and right wing demonstrations there perhaps he'll get it..

 

Has the OP been on recently? More like Fire-and-forget or Unguided Missile it seems to me.

 

[badgerx16]

The similarities with Maidstone keep getting uncovered;

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/14/politics/police-officers-capitol-riot-hodges-fanone/index.html

 

Then, Fanone, who had just been Tasered several times in the back of the neck, heard something chilling that made him go into survival mode.

"Some guys started getting a hold of my gun and they were screaming out, 'Kill him with his own gun,'"

[Weston Super Saint]

40 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The similarities with Maidstone keep getting uncovered;

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/14/politics/police-officers-capitol-riot-hodges-fanone/index.html

 

Then, Fanone, who had just been Tasered several times in the back of the neck, heard something chilling that made him go into survival mode.

"Some guys started getting a hold of my gun and they were screaming out, 'Kill him with his own gun,'"

Later on in the article it says...

A group within the rioters circled Fanone and protected him until help arrived, saving his life.

It also says he's a 40 year old narcotics detective that has been in the police for 20 years. When he heard what was going on he grabbed his uniform that he had never worn and put it on! As if by magic it fitted him! At least there must be one American cop that doesn't eat lots of Donuts - either that or he was a fat fucker 20 years ago

 

[Tamesaint]

56 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

I've heard that the Village People shaman is insisting on organic food in prison.. But given the research that has come out into the differences as to how they police left wing and right wing demonstrations there perhaps he'll get it..

 

Has the OP been on recently? More like Fire-and-forget or Unguided Missile it seems to me.

 

The OP would claim that he has most people who have posted on this subject on "ignore". The precious petal gets upset if he has to read the opinions of people who don't agree with his madness. He probably believes that we agree with him that Trump was only to blame for "some " of the violence and that the biggest outrage was the death of the woman who had been at the head of the mob tying to lynch Pelosi and Pence.

Edited 15 January, 2021 by Tamesaint

[badgerx16]

I read a Trump apologist has claimed  that the crowd he addressed couldn't have been involved in the invasion of the Capitol as there wasn't enough time for them to have walked from the site of his rant across to the Capitol. It is a few yards over a mile to be walked, and there were 50 minutes between Trump leaving his podium and the first Police barrier being crossed.

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Later on in the article it says...

A group within the rioters circled Fanone and protected him until help arrived, saving his life.

 

So they weren't all bent on murder. It doesn't disguise that somebody tasered him, and somebody tried to get his gun.

[View From The Top]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-capitol-arrests/u-s-says-capitol-rioters-meant-to-capture-and-assassinate-officials-filing-idUSKBN29K0K7?il=0

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

The OP would claim that he has most people who have posted on this subject on "ignore". The precious petal gets upset if he has to read the opinions of people who don't agree with his madness. He probably believes that we agree with him that Trump was only to blame for "some " of the violence and that the biggest outrage was the death of the woman who had been at the head of the mob tying to lynch Pelosi and Pence.

Don’t forget to also put “violence” in inverted comma as per LD implying it didn’t really happen. 

Edited 15 January, 2021 by whelk

[Millbrook Saint]

This is all the fault of the so called liberal left and luvvies, they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016.  Instead there has been a continuous pile on to any of his supporters/voters trying to shame them for their vote.  Continuous abuse of the president by these same people, probably more than any other president in history.

They should have accepted the vote, voiced their disapproval once, then let him get on with what he was voted in for, he could then have been judged 4 years later by his successes and failures.  It's the job of the opposition to expose him for his policies.

But no, they couldn't keep their big gobs shut, taking every opportunity to abuse his support base, throwing more and more fuel on the fire, giving Trump the ammo he needs to rile up certain elements of his support.  Now you have a whole support base who feel aggrieved, rightly or wrongly is irrelevant, this is how they've been made to feel by the left for supporting Trump, it's a complete mess and won't be solved by impeaching him.

[Picard]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

I read a Trump apologist has claimed  that the crowd he addressed couldn't have been involved in the invasion of the Capitol as there wasn't enough time for them to have walked from the site of his rant across to the Capitol. It is a few yards over a mile to be walked, and there were 50 minutes between Trump leaving his podium and the first Police barrier being crossed.

I think you will find this is not correct. Wiki has first breach at 12.53 and  Trump finished at 1.10

[aintforever]

34 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

This is all the fault of the so called liberal left and luvvies, they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016. 

[CB Fry]

27 minutes ago, Picard said:

I think you will find this is not correct. Wiki has first breach at 12.53 and  Trump finished at 1.10

Even if that is on some technicality true (some isolated nutcase) it is not an accurate indicator of what happened.

The counting/certification of the votes session started in the Senate at one o clock and went on for a while before it all kicked off, they'd got into the debate on the objection to the Arizona results etc etc.

The trouble started later in the afternoon, long after Trump’s speech had finished. I don't need Wikipedia to tell me anything, I had the TV on while it unfolded.

Edited 15 January, 2021 by CB Fry

[CB Fry]

and Wikipedia says 2 o'clock anyway.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol

Just after 2:00 p.m., windows were broken through, and the mob breached the building and entered the National Statuary Hall.^{[4][64][160][161]} As rioters began to storm the Capitol and other nearby buildings, some buildings in the complex were evacuated.^[63

 

[Lighthouse]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

I read a Trump apologist has claimed  that the crowd he addressed couldn't have been involved in the invasion of the Capitol as there wasn't enough time for them to have walked from the site of his rant across to the Capitol. It is a few yards over a mile to be walked, and there were 50 minutes between Trump leaving his podium and the first Police barrier being crossed.

A mile in 50 minutes is a pretty tough challenge for most Americans.

[buctootim]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

The similarities with Maidstone keep getting uncovered;

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/14/politics/police-officers-capitol-riot-hodges-fanone/index.html

 

Then, Fanone, who had just been Tasered several times in the back of the neck, heard something chilling that made him go into survival mode.

"Some guys started getting a hold of my gun and they were screaming out, 'Kill him with his own gun,'"

A Telegraph journo interviewed one of the attackers shortly afterwards (she didnt know at the time  what he had done) 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/14/trump-supporter-beat-police-officer-us-flag-charged-telegraph/

[Millbrook Saint]

51 minutes ago, aintforever said:

well done you, if you don't think rubbishing people, looking down on them, abusing them, cancelling them, just for who they support in an election isn't storing up trouble for later, then crack on.  If these people hadn't have felt aggrieved in the first place, then Trump would never have been able to use the narrative that everyone is against him and his supporters.

Me personally, I'd rather have engaged with them, find out why they voted Trump, then do something to make my party attractive to them for the next vote.  Taking that ridiculous narrative away from Trump, but each to their own I guess.

[whelk]

1 hour ago, Millbrook Saint said:

This is all the fault of the so called liberal left and luvvies, they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016.  Instead there has been a continuous pile on to any of his supporters/voters trying to shame them for their vote.  Continuous abuse of the president by these same people, probably more than any other president in history.

They should have accepted the vote, voiced their disapproval once, then let him get on with what he was voted in for, he could then have been judged 4 years later by his successes and failures.  It's the job of the opposition to expose him for his policies.

But no, they couldn't keep their big gobs shut, taking every opportunity to abuse his support base, throwing more and more fuel on the fire, giving Trump the ammo he needs to rile up certain elements of his support.  Now you have a whole support base who feel aggrieved, rightly or wrongly is irrelevant, this is how they've been made to feel by the left for supporting Trump, it's a complete mess and won't be solved by impeaching him.

Lol - they made us do it. Zero insight but clear where your sympathies lie. 
 

[whelk]

21 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

well done you, if you don't think rubbishing people, looking down on them, abusing them, cancelling them, just for who they support in an election isn't storing up trouble for later, then crack on.  If these people hadn't have felt aggrieved in the first place, then Trump would never have been able to use the narrative that everyone is against him and his supporters.

Me personally, I'd rather have engaged with them, find out why they voted Trump, then do something to make my party attractive to them for the next vote.  Taking that ridiculous narrative away from Trump, but each to their own I guess.

You know they hated Clinton and Obama too before your champ was around.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Millbrook Saint said:

This is all the fault of the so called liberal left and luvvies, they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016. 

Yes, I remember vividly when thousands of Hilary supporters stormed the Capitol and tried to prevent the certification of the election because they didn't accept the result.

[View From The Top]

2 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

This is all the fault of the so called liberal left and luvvies, they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016.  Instead there has been a continuous pile on to any of his supporters/voters trying to shame them for their vote.  Continuous abuse of the president by these same people, probably more than any other president in history.

They should have accepted the vote, voiced their disapproval once, then let him get on with what he was voted in for, he could then have been judged 4 years later by his successes and failures.  It's the job of the opposition to expose him for his policies.

But no, they couldn't keep their big gobs shut, taking every opportunity to abuse his support base, throwing more and more fuel on the fire, giving Trump the ammo he needs to rile up certain elements of his support.  Now you have a whole support base who feel aggrieved, rightly or wrongly is irrelevant, this is how they've been made to feel by the left for supporting Trump, it's a complete mess and won't be solved by impeaching him.

If you try to reach any further you're going to topple over.

[suewhistle]

Go on then Millbrook: "they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016" - so who got the most votes then?

 

[Millbrook Saint]

Just so you all know I've never been a Trump supporter, not that I really feel the need to justify myself, I liked some of the stuff he did, a lot was nonsense and some of it absolute garbage, he should definitely disappear from twitter, I do however support his democratic right to lead his country when voted in.

I can't be arsed to sift through the nonsense most of you have replied with and answer, so lets just say you're all correct and abusing, ridiculing his voter base and anyone on the right is absolutely fine and won't cause any division or resentment whatsoever.

16 minutes ago, suewhistle said:

Go on then Millbrook: "they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016" - so who got the most votes then?

 

I will answer this though, the number of votes was irrelevant, they all knew how it worked over there before they started, whether it should work that way or not is another discussion completely and I do sympathise with having more votes and still not getting in, but those were the rules.  So yes, he was democratically elected and yes most on the left couldn't bring themselves to accept it.  

[CB Fry]

12 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I can't be arsed to sift through the nonsense most of you have replied with and answer, so lets just say you're all correct and abusing, ridiculing his voter base and anyone on the right is absolutely fine and won't cause any division or resentment whatsoeve

That's funny because I was under the impression that the Liberal lefties etc were the snowflakes who can't deal with free speech and other people's opinions?

Suddenly its the Trump supporter based that need to be molly coddled because someone nasty might hurt their precious feelings.

Absolutely fucking laughable.

Have a listen to Steve Bannon and Co and Fox News and everyone else on that side of the argument in the eight years before your hero rocked up.

I'm not entirely sure they remained silent following the presidential elections of 2008 and 2012.

[ecuk268]

16 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

Just so you all know I've never been a Trump supporter, not that I really feel the need to justify myself, I liked some of the stuff he did, a lot was nonsense and some of it absolute garbage, he should definitely disappear from twitter, I do however support his democratic right to lead his country when voted in.

I can't be arsed to sift through the nonsense most of you have replied with and answer, so lets just say you're all correct and abusing, ridiculing his voter base and anyone on the right is absolutely fine and won't cause any division or resentment whatsoever.

I will answer this though, the number of votes was irrelevant, they all knew how it worked over there before they started, whether it should work that way or not is another discussion completely and I do sympathise with having more votes and still not getting in, but those were the rules.  So yes, he was democratically elected and yes most on the left couldn't bring themselves to accept it.  

Yes he was democratically elected and now he's been democratically un-elected. 

As for the criticism he's had, the job of an opposition party is to oppose (the clue's in the name). If he'd accepted the result gracefully he could have possibly run in 2024 but all this voter fraud nonsense has made him a complete laughing stock and I can't see the Republicans going anywhere near him in the future. 

[CB Fry]

Just now, ecuk268 said:

Yes he was democratically elected and now he's been democratically un-elected. 

As for the criticism he's had, the job of an opposition party is to oppose (the clue's in the name). If he'd accepted the result gracefully he could have possibly run in 2024 but all this voter fraud nonsense has made him a complete laughing stock and I can't see the Republicans going anywhere near him in the future. 

The risk is the Republican Party/Movement will end up in a similar bind to the Labour Party here.

Factional split between those supporting the totemic "messiah" figure that a sizeable branch cannot let go of, versus moderates/conventional politicians trying to move on. Could destroy them for a generation. 

At least their totemic messiah figure did actually win. The "glorious victory" for Labour's messiah figure was, er, a resounding election defeat in 2017.

USA Politics will continue to be interesting.

[aintforever]

2 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

well done you, if you don't think rubbishing people, looking down on them, abusing them, cancelling them, just for who they support in an election isn't storing up trouble for later, then crack on.  If these people hadn't have felt aggrieved in the first place, then Trump would never have been able to use the narrative that everyone is against him and his supporters.

Me personally, I'd rather have engaged with them, find out why they voted Trump, then do something to make my party attractive to them for the next vote.  Taking that ridiculous narrative away from Trump, but each to their own I guess.

Both sides ridicule, abuse and look down on each other - that's politics in 2021, I'm not sure how that excuses making up stories about election fraud or storming the Capitol.

[Jimmy_D]

4 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

This is all the fault of the so called liberal left and luvvies, they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016.  Instead there has been a continuous pile on to any of his supporters/voters trying to shame them for their vote.  Continuous abuse of the president by these same people, probably more than any other president in history.

They should have accepted the vote, voiced their disapproval once, then let him get on with what he was voted in for, he could then have been judged 4 years later by his successes and failures.  It's the job of the opposition to expose him for his policies.

But no, they couldn't keep their big gobs shut, taking every opportunity to abuse his support base, throwing more and more fuel on the fire, giving Trump the ammo he needs to rile up certain elements of his support.  Now you have a whole support base who feel aggrieved, rightly or wrongly is irrelevant, this is how they've been made to feel by the left for supporting Trump, it's a complete mess and won't be solved by impeaching him.

If that's the line you're drawing for encouraging violence like that, and the resulting violence being in any way justified, all I'll say is that it's a good job that Obama had a hell of a lot thicker skin than Trump. Trump hasn't faced anywhere near the same amount of lies about him that Obama did.

You're trying to defend the indefensible there.

[Weston Super Saint]

5 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

So they weren't all bent on murder. It doesn't disguise that somebody tasered him, and somebody tried to get his gun.

Undoubtedly.  I was merely trying to bring a little balance from the same article

Odd though that they only 'tasered' him.  Soggy claims they were all 'armed to the teeth'.  You'd have thought they could have shot him with their own weapons...

[Mystic Force]

Left protest a few years ago with the occupy wall street movement and this summer's occupation in Seattle does give some cover for the Trump nutters, at the time I thought them stupid because the occupation of the territory ends up becoming more important than any message or policy that was originally being sort. Trump had managed to turn every leftist complaint into a Trumpist cause, repurposing the fake news from Russian troll farms and click bait story mills for advertising revenue to being leveled at the mainstream press, and the pushing of Russian election propaganda converted to made up Democratic election fraud. I am very much a centrist, and the Republicans have moved far of to the right at this point and I am not sure they will be back for a while.

[benjii]

6 hours ago, Millbrook Saint said:

This is all the fault of the so called liberal left and luvvies, they never accepted the democratic vote of 2016.  Instead there has been a continuous pile on to any of his supporters/voters trying to shame them for their vote.  Continuous abuse of the president by these same people, probably more than any other president in history.

They should have accepted the vote, voiced their disapproval once, then let him get on with what he was voted in for, he could then have been judged 4 years later by his successes and failures.  It's the job of the opposition to expose him for his policies.

But no, they couldn't keep their big gobs shut, taking every opportunity to abuse his support base, throwing more and more fuel on the fire, giving Trump the ammo he needs to rile up certain elements of his support.  Now you have a whole support base who feel aggrieved, rightly or wrongly is irrelevant, this is how they've been made to feel by the left for supporting Trump, it's a complete mess and won't be solved by impeaching him.

[farawaysaint]

To play devil’s advocate, I am very much for impeachment but some of the republican congressmen’s arguments in the hearing made a lot of sense.

Specifically the two I thought were quite strong were that a snap impeachment without witnesses set a bad precedent and that given the level of planning Trump’s speech couldn’t have directly invited the revolt.

He deserves to be impeached for pressuring elected officials to overturn the vote and his inflammatory rhetoric but I think the dems got the article and timing potentially wrong. Already was very little chance of it passing a senate supermajority vote but having heard the arguments against I think the chances are practically nil.

[Matthew Le God]

2021 is competing with 2020 for crazy news!

A pillow company owner has met with Trump and wants him to...

'Trigger emergency powers'

'Blame Iran/China'

Enact 'Martial law'

 

Edited 15 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

'Trigger emergency powers'

'Blame China/Iran'

'Martial law'

 

Why was a second-rate pillow salesman going into a top level meeting with Trump and his cronies ?

[Matthew Le God]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Why was a second-rate pillow salesman going into a top level meeting with Trump and his cronies ?

Because Trump is crazy