Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, View From The Top said:

Some of the stuff coming out of the States now regarding the Oath Keepers and other and other militia groups and their role in Wednesday is astonishing.

It really was an operation planned with military precision covered by the patsy Trumpers.

All in HD too.

 

 

 

[Sheaf Saint]

I've just been reading about Officer Eugene Goodman. I already saw the video of him - a lone black USCP officer - being chased through corridors by an angry mob yelling racist abuse at him, and thought how terrifying it must have been.

Turns out he was deliberately luring them in the wrong direction, having identified that the doors to the senate floor were not secured. He even pushed one of them to sufficiently enrage him so that he and those behind him would follow him to a location where he knew there would be other officers waiting.

He put himself in harm's way to protect the senior legislators and almost certainly saved lives. He deserves the highest honour available. 

 

[Jimmy_D]

10 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I've just been reading about Officer Eugene Goodman. I already saw the video of him - a lone black USCP officer - being chased through corridors by an angry mob yelling racist abuse at him, and thought how terrifying it must have been.

Turns out he was deliberately luring them in the wrong direction, having identified that the doors to the senate floor were not secured. He even pushed one of them to sufficiently enrage him so that he and those behind him would follow him to a location where he knew there would be other officers waiting.

He put himself in harm's way to protect the senior legislators and almost certainly saved lives. He deserves the highest honour available. 

 

The more information that comes to light about what actually happened, the more you realise how different the outcome could have been.

[View From The Top]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy_D said:

The more information that comes to light about what actually happened, the more you realise how different the outcome could have been.

It was a very close run thing.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

 

Ask Ducky, he'll tell you that's a regular sight in Maidstone.

[Matthew Le God]

On 09/01/2021 at 17:29, Lord Duckhunter said:

I’ve seen worse in Maidstone on a Sat night.  

Really? 🙄

 

Edited 10 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[Sheaf Saint]

Also just reading about Congresswoman Lauren Boebert. Just wow.

She doesn't seem bright enough to have destroyed any evidence connecting her with the action. She hasn't even bothered to delete the tweet where she broadcast the location of Speaker Pelosi when the attack began.

Can't verify this of course, but am seeing reports on Twitter that loads of active police and armed forces personnel were among the rioters, and the guy who was photographed with the large number of zip-tie cuffs is a retired Lt. Colonel!

1900 Capitol police were told to stay home and only 400 were on duty. You can see them in the videos literally opening the barriers and ushering people in.

There was definitely an organised plot going on here.

Does treason carry the death penalty in the US? 

[badgerx16]

Lauren Boebert is the one demanding to be allowed to take her gun to work in Congress as she needs to be able to protect herself inside the Capitol.

Edited 10 January, 2021 by badgerx16

[Lighthouse]

Can’t be bothered trawling the thread so sorry if this has been posted already but this is exactly the kind of absurdity that pushes sane people towards the likes of Trump. 

[buctootim]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

this is exactly the kind of absurdity that pushes sane people towards the likes of Trump. 

Think you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. A Democrat Preacher made a (lame) joke by ending the prayer 'Awoman' and the right wing got upset. Poor little snowflakes...     

[Lighthouse]

11 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Think you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. A Democrat Preacher made a (lame) joke by ending the prayer 'Awoman' and the right wing got upset. Poor little snowflakes...     

I don’t subscribe to any kind of religion but even I know that sticking woke puns and casual blasphemy into prayers to congress isn’t going to do you any favours with the republican God Squad. You’re right, the snowflakes are getting upset, that’s exactly my point. Moderate conservatives will be upset by this kind of thing and it won’t be long before another Trump comes along with a bunch of easy answers and a shoulder to cry on.

[buctootim]

Just now, Lighthouse said:

I don’t subscribe to any kind of religion but even I know that sticking woke puns and casual blasphemy into prayers to congress isn’t going to do you any favours with the republican God Squad. You’re right, the snowflakes are getting upset, that’s exactly my point. Moderate conservatives will be upset by this kind of thing and it won’t be long before another Trump comes along with a bunch of easy answers and a shoulder to cry on.

Ha he's 76. I doubt it was woke, just a dad joke. 

[saint1977]

The Republicans need to have a top to bottom clear out now. 68% of their Congress reps voted to have Trump as a fascist dictator, tacitly supporting the appalling violence which made Millwall at Luton in 1985 look like a tea party. Lauren Boebert is one of the first to expel, leading the scum to Pelosi’s office. Every time she says something she makes Sarah Palin look and sound like Einstein. Cruz needs to go from the Senate as well, what a moron supporting the orange one after the appalling things Trump and his boneheads said about Cruz in 2015 and 2016. 

Well done on PGA America for taking the USA PGA away from Bedminster in 2022. Just a taste of the oblivion which awaits the GOP if they do turn towards Trump facism, it will be like Corbyn with Labour on steroids. The Democrats probably need a few years to sort things out nationally whilst the Republicans fight like ferrets in a sack. Colin Powell has apparently left the Republicans - one less senior figure with the brains and skills to sort them out.

[Shroppie]

This is very long and I'm not suggesting it's necessarily a definitive analysis, but there's plenty in it to give credence to the suggestion that this was a carefully planned operation intended to end with Congress stopped from carrying out the ratification. Particularly chilling was the suggestion that Trump wanted the military and National Guard to march with him (to protect from Antifa) rather than protect the Capitol.

[badgerx16]

3 hours ago, Shroppie said:

This is very long and I'm not suggesting it's necessarily a definitive analysis, but there's plenty in it to give credence to the suggestion that this was a carefully planned operation intended to end with Congress stopped from carrying out the ratification. Particularly chilling was the suggestion that Trump wanted the military and National Guard to march with him (to protect from Antifa) rather than protect the Capitol.

Goebbels would be proud of that speech.

[Sheaf Saint]

Apparently the acting defense secretary Chris Miller - the guy who Trump installed as his puppet in the DoD after losing the election - delayed authorising the National Guard to enter DC until about 5.45pm - nearly 3 hours after the insurrection began.

Add that to Giuliani's phone call to Tuberville, and Boebert's live tweeting of the speaker's whereabouts during the attack, and you start to see a very sinister picture developing.

But yeah, I'm sure it's just a normal Saturday night in Maidstone.

 

[Sheaf Saint]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/11/joe-biden-donald-trump-impeachment-capitol-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-coronavirus-covid-live-updates

Impeachment begins, on a charge of inciting an insurrection.

 

[Weston Super Saint]

5 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/11/joe-biden-donald-trump-impeachment-capitol-mike-pence-nancy-pelosi-coronavirus-covid-live-updates

Impeachment begins, on a charge of inciting an insurrection.

 

The second coup in a week  

[Sheaf Saint]

“Resolved, That Donald John Trump, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors,” the article says.

“President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of Government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coequal branch of Government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.

“Wherefore, Donald John Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. Donald John Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.”

[Baird of the land]

Honestly i don't see the point of impeachment proceedings. Seems grandstanding when it's not going to get Trump out of power before he leaves and its highly unlikely to get past the senate.

[moonraker]

4 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Honestly i don't see the point of impeachment proceedings. Seems grandstanding when it's not going to get Trump out of power before he leaves and its highly unlikely to get past the senate.

I believe the aim is to bar him from ever standing for public office again, makes sense to me.

 

[Baird of the land]

2 minutes ago, moonraker said:

I believe the aim is to bar him from ever standing for public office again, makes sense to me.

 

That would only happen if  they can get a 2/3 majority in the senate which is virtually impossible. They've only got two republican defectors on the issue.

Edited 11 January, 2021 by Baird of the land

[moonraker]

1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

That would only happen if  they can get a 2/3 majority in the senate which is virtually impossible. They've only got two republican defectors on the issue.

I did not say they would achieve it, you never know, rats and sinking ships, but I don't see a problem with trying.

[Baird of the land]

2 minutes ago, moonraker said:

I did not say they would achieve it, you never know, rats and sinking ships, but I don't see a problem with trying.

I disagree think its only worth doing it if they can achieve it, otherwise it's overreach that'll probably come back to bite them in the ass.

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, moonraker said:

I believe the aim is to bar him from ever standing for public office again, makes sense to me.

 

Impeachment won't do that. If the impeachment was successful then a separate vote would be required to bar him from standing for President again. Impeachment requires a 2/3rds majority, the second vote requires a simple majority of 1.

Edited 11 January, 2021 by badgerx16

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I disagree think its only worth doing it if they can achieve it, otherwise it's overreach that'll probably come back to bite them in the ass.

Failing will only fuel his supporters belief that he's right. Definitely only try if they have the support to get the job done. 

[Weston Super Saint]

15 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

I disagree think its only worth doing it if they can achieve it, otherwise it's overreach that'll probably come back to bite them in the ass.

Plus it's giving him more headlines.

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Plus it's giving him more headlines.

Agreed. Given the responses of Twitter and AWS which have reduced his level of publicity, perhaps for now there should simply be a mass ignoring of Donald Chump by the news media. Concentrate on the build up to Biden's inauguration, and pick up whatever stick they wish to wield to beat Trump afterwards.

[View From The Top]

Part on the process is to stick the sedition label to GOP members of congress.

[badgerx16]

2 stories from CNN;

"The FBI has received information indicating “armed protests” are being planned at all 50 state capitols and the US Capitol in Washington, DC, in the days leading up to President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20, according to an internal bulletin obtained by CNN."

"Armed protests are being planned at all 50 state capitols from 16 January through at least 20 January, and at the US Capitol from 17 January through 20 January,” it says.

The bulletin, which emerged after rioters stormed the US Capitol last week, also suggests there are threats of an “uprising” if President Trump is removed via the 25th Amendment before Inauguration Day.

Additionally, the FBI is tracking reports of “various threats to harm President-Elect Biden ahead of the presidential inauguration,” the bulletin states.

“Additional reports indicate threats against VP-Elect Harris and Speaker Pelosi,” it adds.

 

That's a bit bigger than a Saturday night in Maidstone !

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 "Steven Sund, the now former head of the US Capitol Police, said he asked for help on the day pro-Trump supporters stormed the Capitol, and was told that putting National Guard troops in front of the building in response to the mayhem was more about optics than it was about keeping the grounds safe."

They were worried about the image of fully equipped National Guardsmen standing in front of the Capitol to block a march by by Trump's fascists - didn't seem to matter for the BLM march.

Edited 11 January, 2021 by badgerx16

[Matthew Le God]

@Lord Duckhunter Similar to Maidstone?

 

Edited 11 January, 2021 by Matthew Le God

[badgerx16]

At least 10 Capitol Police officers are under investigation over their actions on Jan 6th, 2 have been suspended from duty.

[Tamesaint]

42 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

@Lord Duckhunter Similar to Maidstone?

 

Ducky is leading a similar protest in Maidstone. Guided Missile is leading the protest where he lives - La la land.

[Hamilton Saint]

5 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

Honestly i don't see the point of impeachment proceedings. Seems grandstanding when it's not going to get Trump out of power before he leaves and its highly unlikely to get past the senate.

Honestly, I don't see the point of prosecuting a murderer. Seems like a waste of time. It's not going to bring the dead person back, is it? It's such an effort and costs a lot of money.

[Hamilton Saint]

5 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

I disagree think its only worth doing it if they can achieve it, otherwise it's overreach that'll probably come back to bite them in the ass.

Impeachment is a certainty. They can then attempt to convict 100 days from now, after Biden has established himself and his administration. I'm sure by then a lot more incredible stuff will be revealed about Trump's unending campaign of crimes and misdemeanours. Perhaps it will sway enough Republican senators to change their minds (17 are required--with two already in the bag).

It's not 'overreach' to attempt to convict Trump for his criminal behaviour. It's necessary for Congress to hold the president accountable. If the Republicans are too corrupt and supine to do anything, then it is left to the Democrats to do what they can, whether it is achievable or not. To do nothing, surely, is inconceivable. [Oh, how different it is now, when compared with the Watergate era, when a group of Republican leaders from Congress paid a visit to Nixon in the White House and persusdaded him to resign.]

[farawaysaint]

I disagree that impeachment is pointless. There needs to be some form of consequence so no future elected official tries this.

They are limited in terms of mechanisms to formally rebuke the president, I know some have proposed censure but to be honest Trump being the only president in history to be impeached twice is fitting.

[Sheaf Saint]

8 minutes ago, farawaysaint said:

I disagree that impeachment is pointless. There needs to be some form of consequence so no future elected official tries this.

They are limited in terms of mechanisms to formally rebuke the president, I know some have proposed censure but to be honest Trump being the only president in history to be impeached twice is fitting.

I agree. They have to do it because it is the right thing to do. Any thoughts of political point-scoring should be secondary to that right now.

If someone commits a murder, you wouldn't choose not to prosecute them just because they were already in prison for something else. You do it because having the facts determined in a legal process and obtaining justice is the right course of action.

Trump may be leaving office in 8 days time, but he clearly cannot be trusted not to cause a lot more damage to the country in that time. If the GOP refuse to invoke the 25th amendment then impeachment is the only viable way to go.

[egg]

16 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

I agree. They have to do it because it is the right thing to do. Any thoughts of political point-scoring should be secondary to that right now.

If someone commits a murder, you wouldn't choose not to prosecute them just because they were already in prison for something else. You do it because having the facts determined in a legal process and obtaining justice is the right course of action.

Trump may be leaving office in 8 days time, but he clearly cannot be trusted not to cause a lot more damage to the country in that time. If the GOP refuse to invoke the 25th amendment then impeachment is the only viable way to go.

I disagree. Using your Murder analogy, you'd have to decide if charging would likely lead to a conviction and that it was in the interests of justice to do so. If the trial would likely lead to an acquittal, it wouldn't be sensible to have it. Indeed, having a trial just to make a point/do the right thing is akin to political point scoring which is not what should be happening.

The issue, for me, is the impact of the impeachment failing - the loon would feel empowered by it, as will his legions of loyal followers. Successful impeachment would be wonderful, unsuccessful would be damaging thus only do it if the points are in the bag.

[badgerx16]

Unfortunately the GOP hasn't the cohones to support impeachment.

[Sheaf Saint]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Unfortunately the GOP hasn't the cohones to support impeachment.

[whelk]

Anyone who doesn’t want impeachment has a very limited view of history

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, whelk said:

Anyone who doesn’t want impeachment has a very limited view of history

But the Republican politicians have a very strong view about their future electoral prospects.

[revolution saint]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Anyone who doesn’t want impeachment has a very limited view of history

Dunno about limited view of history but Ford pardoned Nixon which had the effect of avoiding impeachment proceedings (Nixon resigned and was never impeached).  Interestingly the US Supreme Court pronounced that a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt".

Anyway, whilst I'd love nothing more than to see Trump impeached I'm not sure it'll happen and even if it did it would make Trump a martyr in the eyes of his supporters.  Wouldn't be as satisfying but probably more sensible to have both houses give an official censure and let him drift off into the relative obscurity of fighting legal cases over his taxes.

[buctootim]

Part of the trouble is that Pelosi is a divisive figure too prone to party politicking and been around too long. The Democrats shouldnt have re-elected her a week or so ago and found someone younger fresher and with less baggage.  

Most of the senior figures in American politics are old. Steny Hoyer (House majority leader) is 82, Pelosi is 80, Biden is 78, Mitch McConnell is 78. Chuck Schumer seems like a baby at only 70.

If Biden really wants to re-unite America he could start with a Congress and Presidential administration more reflective of the population.   

[CB Fry]

It was my understanding that they'd already gone out of business several times, but still:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/12/deutsche-bank-reportedly-will-not-do-any-future-business-with-trump.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

[buctootim]

23 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

It was my understanding that they'd already gone out of business several times, but still:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/12/deutsche-bank-reportedly-will-not-do-any-future-business-with-trump.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar&__twitter_impression=true

Praps GM meant Trump was such a disastrous deadweight lunatic he would pull Deutsche down?   

[whelk]

38 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Part of the trouble is that Pelosi is a divisive figure too prone to party politicking and been around too long. The Democrats shouldnt have re-elected her a week or so ago and found someone younger fresher and with less baggage.  

Most of the senior figures in American politics are old. Steny Hoyer (House majority leader) is 82, Pelosi is 80, Biden is 78, Mitch McConnell is 78. Chuck Schumer seems like a baby at only 70.

If Biden really wants to re-unite America he could start with a Congress and Presidential administration more reflective of the population.   

Pelosi and Schumer have courage and principles. Fuck their age.

Too many appeasers talking about healing. You don’t cosy up to these cunts you hit them hard. 

[Baird of the land]

2 hours ago, revolution saint said:

Dunno about limited view of history but Ford pardoned Nixon which had the effect of avoiding impeachment proceedings (Nixon resigned and was never impeached).  Interestingly the US Supreme Court pronounced that a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt and that its acceptance carries a confession of guilt".

Anyway, whilst I'd love nothing more than to see Trump impeached I'm not sure it'll happen and even if it did it would make Trump a martyr in the eyes of his supporters.  Wouldn't be as satisfying but probably more sensible to have both houses give an official censure and let him drift off into the relative obscurity of fighting legal cases over his taxes.

Exactly you can see the instant the impeachment proceedings have begun Trump has crawled out of hiding, because he's got something to rail against which he couldn't do when it was just about the riot.

[aintforever]

The whole impeachment thing seems a bit pointless to me, he could go round raping and murdering and the Republicans won’t vote against him. I guess they have to do something out of principle though, he should be behind bars for what he has done since the election.

[Mystic Force]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

Pelosi and Schumer have courage and principles. Fuck their age.

Too many appeasers talking about healing. You don’t cosy up to these cunts you hit them hard. 

Despite agreeing mostly with the Democrats position I would not use the words courage or principles to describe either of them.  Pelosi should have been replaced after the 2010 mid term defeats and let someone else lead them. To keep the same people in charge for so long has made them look stale and bereft of talent and ideas. It is styming the next generation of leaders that they can run for the top job. When you look for who they might go to after Biden, there is no list of competing candidates waiting to give it a go. 

 

For all the craziness on the other side you can point to a list of potentials waiting to give it a go.