Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[badgerx16]

43 minutes ago, egg said:

Does the constitution allow for that? If so, anything is possible over there. 

  Technically the Electors can vote for anybody, regardless of their specific State's popular vote totals. These are called 'faithless electors', and some states have made it a criminal offence. In the last election, Hillary Clinton lost 5 such electors, ( 1 voted for Bernie Sanders, 3 for Colin Powell, and 1 for Faith Spotted Eagle ), Trump lost 2, ( 1 to John Kasich, 1 to Ron Paul ). These switches were not enough to alter the actual result. ( Of 3 other Clinton electors who attempted to be 'faithless', 1 eventually relented, and the other 2 were replaced by electors who cast their vote for HC ).

 There is a theory that the legal challenges are actually a delaying tactic to ensure that states are unable to certify their results by the 'Safe Harbor' deadline of Dec 8th, 6 days before the EC votes are cast. It is possible that in such instances the respective State Governments will instruct the electors, ( Michigan and Pennsylvania are controlled by the Republicans ). If enough mischief is caused the election might even be defaulted to the 2 Houses to elect the President.

Edited 12 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[egg]

20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

  Technically the Electors can vote for anybody, regardless of their specific State's popular vote totals. These are called 'faithless electors', and some states have made it a criminal offence. In the last election, Hillary Clinton lost 5 such electors, ( 1 voted for Bernie Sanders, 3 for Colin Powell, and 1 for Faith Spotted Eagle ), Trump lost 2, ( 1 to John Kasich, 1 to Ron Paul ). These switches were not enough to alter the actual result. ( Of 3 other Clinton electors who attempted to be 'faithless', 1 eventually relented, and the other 2 were replaced by electors who cast their vote for HC ).

 There is a theory that the legal challenges are actually a delaying tactic to ensure that states are unable to certify their results by the 'Safe Harbor' deadline of Dec 8th, 6 days before the EC votes are cast. It is possible that in such instances the respective State Governments will instruct the electors, ( Michigan and Pennsylvania are controlled by the Republicans ). If enough mischief is caused the election might even be defaulted to the 2 Houses to elect the President.

Jeez, that system is more of a nonsense than I appreciated. Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated. 

I hope that you and the clan get well soon. 

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Jeez, that system is more of a nonsense than I appreciated. Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated. 

I hope that you and the clan get well soon. 

It does seem to be very convoluted process. What would happen within Pennsylvania, for instance, if the State Government ended up instructing their 20 Electors to vote for Trump, because a popular vote win for Biden had not been signed off ?

Thanks for the good wishes.

 

[Tamesaint]

46 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

It does seem to be very convoluted process. What would happen within Pennsylvania, for instance, if the State Government ended up instructing their 20 Electors to vote for Trump, because a popular vote win for Biden had not been signed off ?

Thanks for the good wishes.

 

I think (but I may be wrong) the Democratic governor of Philadelphia would be able to prevent this from happening.

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Tamesaint said:

I think (but I may be wrong) the Democratic governor of Philadelphia would be able to prevent this from happening.

From what I have read it is the State Legislature that decides.

eg

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/11/the-completely-insane-electoral-college-strategy-436156

EDIT:

In theory there could be 2 certified submissions to Washington, 1 from the State Legislature, another from the Governor, giving different EC votes. In this case, it is thought that the Federal process has to accept the certificate signed off by the Governor.

 

You would think there would be an easier way of making a binary decision.

Edited 12 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[Weston Super Saint]

Playing a blinder?

[Tamesaint]

19 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

From what I have read it is the State Legislature that decides.

eg

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/11/the-completely-insane-electoral-college-strategy-436156

EDIT:

In theory there could be 2 certified submissions to Washington, 1 from the State Legislature, another from the Governor, giving different EC votes. In this case, it is thought that the Federal process has to accept the certificate signed off by the Governor.

Yes I think you are correct. In Pennsylvania therefore the Democrat governor 's wishes would prevail. I am not so sure about other states where Trump  is litigating.

 

 

[Raging Bull]

Here’s to all that think trump won’t rightfully get in again 

 

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Yes I think you are correct. In Pennsylvania therefore the Democrat governor 's wishes would prevail.

( Reading further )

Even then, this only applies if both Houses of Congress, deciding separately, cannot agree on which voting certificate to accept. Currently, with the Democrats running the lower house and the Republicans the upper, this is unlikely to happen, should we get that far.

 

( Try to pick the bones out of this...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15 )

[badgerx16]

20 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Playing a blinder?

I think there may be quite a few constitutional lawyers looking to pad out their bank balances in the next couple of weeks.

[Pickles]

16 hours ago, skintsaint said:

Why would that be?

I just don't think Biden is going to make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things.Yes I know a lot of people might be in the thinking anyone is better than Trump but we shall see I guess.

 

Just pitiful how many politicians there are in this country and these are the best two we came up with.

Edited 13 November, 2020 by Bob Belcher

[skintsaint]

19 minutes ago, Bob Belcher said:

I just don't think Biden is going to make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things

He has the easiest term coming up, if things aren't improving just blame the mess of the previous guy and people will lap it up 😄

[The Cat]

Homeland Security say there's no evidence of voter fraud.

 

 

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, The Cat said:

Homeland Security say there's no evidence of voter fraud.

 

 

The Deputy Director of CISA was fired yesterday, the Director expects to go this weekend.

[Lord Duckhunter]

12 hours ago, Bob Belcher said:

Just pitiful how many politicians there are in this country and these are the best two we came up with.

True. 
 

The only candidate that Trump could beat was Hillary Clinton & the only candidate Biden could beat was Trump. Beside these clowns even Jimmy Carter & Ford seem like Titans. 

[whelk]

16 hours ago, Bob Belcher said:

I just don't think Biden is going to make a huge difference in the grand scheme of things.Yes I know a lot of people might be in the thinking anyone is better than Trump but we shall see I guess.

 

Just pitiful how many politicians there are in this country and these are the best two we came up with.

I expect most people who support Biden aren’t doing it for his policie more that he is decent, normal and respectful unlike the previous clown.

Even the behaviour since just shows how low this fat cunt will go

[badgerx16]

There's only been 1 fraud in this election, and he's the incumbent.

Edited 13 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[Jeremy]

4 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

True. 
 

The only candidate that Trump could beat was Hillary Clinton & the only candidate Biden could beat was Trump. Beside these clowns even Jimmy Carter & Ford seem like Titans. 

Haven't trawled through this massive thread so this has probably already been said. I think the biggest problem with US federal politics is that it's only 2 parties. They need more.

[badgerx16]

6 minutes ago, Jeremy said:

Haven't trawled through this massive thread so this has probably already been said. I think the biggest problem with US federal politics is that it's only 2 parties. They need more.

[ecuk268]

Watched his speech about Covid-19.

He's gone grey overnight.

[The Cat]

1 hour ago, ecuk268 said:

Watched his speech about Covid-19.

He's gone grey overnight.

It's just like Leyland Palmer in Twin Peaks. Trump is equally as mad. 

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, ecuk268 said:

Watched his speech about Covid-19.

He's gone grey overnight.

He actually looks less batshit crazy like that. Could have won him Georgia... 

[Lighthouse]

If you wash a toupee over 60 degrees the colour tends to wash out.

[Pickles]

[mickn]

10 hours ago, Lighthouse said:

If you wash a toupee over 60 degrees the colour tends to wash out.

Personal experience?

[Sheaf Saint]

 

[badgerx16]

6 hours ago, Sheaf Saint said:

 

Make America Grate Again.

[saint1977]

Having been confirmed as defeated comfortably in Georgia - by his own party’s vote managers - now the desperate tactic of trying to persuade states to elect different members and ignore tens of millions of votes. What Swinney proposed in GE 2019 was bad enough with ignoring Brexit but this is a whole another level. Pure Mussolini, Putin or Hitler. I don’t think those states will acquiesce either but Trump is one of the most dangerous leaders in the history of democracy for wanting to destroy it. Best he concedes before the military eject him.

[Mystic Force]

The next would be authoritarian is taking note and getting ready. We have seen how easy it would be. All they need is some competence and patience and the system can clearly be broken. The much vaunted checks and balances would not take much to breach, if you can move the right people into the gatekeeper positions, and with the way the system works here that is possible, all sorts of stuff could happen. This is definitely the D-list of operatives running this thing, I worry about what an effective group of people could achieve.

The latest nonsense coming out is an influence peddling plot by Venezuela, Iran and China, I thought at the time Republicans had a self interest in securing the country from foreign election interference, because one day it might be turned against them, but they choose short termism instead. Until they need an argument.

The other conspiracy theory doing the rounds is the voting machines. Back in the 2000s when electronic voting machines were being introduced with federal money after the debacle in Florida in 2000, there were arguments over whether they should have paper back ups or not for auditing purposes. At that time Republicans opposed that idea which Democrats were pushing for (and with Republicans in power at the different levels of government at that time, they held sway). Now after the election they lost some of them are crying foul. Seems ironic if you remember the history of how this went down.

[Sheaf Saint]

Oh this is too delicious. Trump shares an article in which his own sister appears to offer her full support for his current situation. But, as it turns out, it is based entirely on tweets from a parody account. 

And he was too dumb to notice! 😂 

 

[Lighthouse]

Looks like the tiniest flicker of a thought that he might not have won may have entered his head.

[View From The Top]

If I understand this right a presidential pardon is only for federal crimes and not state crimes?

If this is the case then the orange fuckwit is still in deep shit as the charges likely to come in NYC are state and not federal. 

 

[badgerx16]

54 minutes ago, View From The Top said:

If I understand this right a presidential pardon is only for federal crimes and not state crimes?

If this is the case then the orange fuckwit is still in deep shit as the charges likely to come in NYC are state and not federal. 

 

Correct.

[LVSaint]

3 hours ago, View From The Top said:

If I understand this right a presidential pardon is only for federal crimes and not state crimes?

If this is the case then the orange fuckwit is still in deep shit as the charges likely to come in NYC are state and not federal. 

 

[tajjuk]

It's genuinely scary that millions upon millions of Americans are basically part of a fanatical cult that won't accept reality.  They are even turning on Fox news now for basically telling them the truth. 

[scally]

Nothing to see here  move on

 

[Lighthouse]

19 minutes ago, scally said:

Nothing to see here  move on

 

Yep, we’re trying to.

[scally]

1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

It's genuinely scary that millions upon millions of Americans are basically part of a fanatical cult that won't accept reality.  They are even turning on Fox news now for basically telling them the truth. 

Maybe they've realised if you watch the msm all you'll get is fake news

[buctootim]

Just now, scally said:

Maybe they've realised if you watch the msm all you'll get is fake news

So instead you believe one random who watched a Trump speech and regurgitates it? 

If you dont believe the msm maybe following the results of all the court cases might help?  

[LGTL]

On 28/10/2020 at 19:57, scally said:

Sleepy Joe hasn't got a hope in hell of winning

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsfaos7Z1GY

Oh. 

[badgerx16]

40 minutes ago, buctootim said:

 

If you dont believe the msm maybe following the results of all the court cases might help?  

Trump has won 1 and lost 38 so far, and a requested ( demanded ? ) recount in one Wisconsin district increased Biden's vote.

[whelk]

Funny the claims they make about fraud but when judges ask them they row back as know there are consequences to bullshitting a judge.

[scally]

1 hour ago, buctootim said:

So instead you believe one random who watched a Trump speech and regurgitates it? 

If you dont believe the msm maybe following the results of all the court cases might help?  

One video, get a grip of yourself

[aintforever]

4 hours ago, scally said:

Nothing to see here  move on

 

I can’t believe I wasted 10 minutes of my life watching that, zero evidence of fraud yet again.

It was an extraordinary election but it was always going to be with a complete fruitcake in office and taking place during a pandemic. 

 

Edited 28 November, 2020 by aintforever

[scally]

4 hours ago, LGTL said:

Oh. 

Is he president yet then?

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, scally said:

Is he president yet then?

Do you think there's 1 chance in a million that he won't be ? Short of him dying before Inauguration Day he''l be in the Oval Office on Jan 21st. ( And hopefully, Trump will be having to avoid New York state ).

[scally]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Do you think there's 1 chance in a million that he won't be ? Short of him dying before Inauguration Day he''l be in the Oval Office on Jan 21st. ( And hopefully, Trump will be having to avoid New York state ).

If that's the odds you're giving I'll have a tenner with you he won't

[badgerx16]

11 minutes ago, scally said:

If that's the odds you're giving I'll have a tenner with you he won't

Based on what ? The Supreme Court ? The EC won't go with any other result than endorsing the state certifications, which will go exactly as the news media have called the results.

The reason Trump is losing in the Courts is because his 'World Class Legal Team' have presented zero evidence of fraud or conspiracy in front of a judge, because there isn't any, and even if they manage to take an appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, they can't start trying to introduce 'evidence' there that hasn't already been aired in a lower arena.

I suppose assaination is a remote possibility, but then we'd almost certainly end up with President Kamala Harris.

Edited 28 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[scally]

37 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Based on what ? The Supreme Court ? The EC won't go with any other result than endorsing the state certifications, which will go exactly as the news media have called the results.

The reason Trump is losing in the Courts is because his 'World Class Legal Team' have presented zero evidence of fraud or conspiracy in front of a judge, because there isn't any, and even if they manage to take an appeal all the way to the Supreme Court, they can't start trying to introduce 'evidence' there that hasn't already been aired in a lower arena.

I suppose assaination is a remote possibility, but then we'd almost certainly end up with President Kamala Harris.

No evidence but a lot of dodgy shit went on

 

 

[badgerx16]

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-wisconsin-more-votes-regist/fact-checkwisconsin-did-not-have-more-votes-than-people-registered-idUSKBN27K2WU

"

Many examples making this claim feature a screenshot of a now-deleted tweet from a user named Mike Coudrey that reads “BREAKING: Wisconsin has more votes than people who are registered to vote. Total number of registered voters: 3,129,000. Total number of votes cast: 3,239,920. This is direct evidence of fraud.” ( here, archived here archive.is/us8Os ) 

 

The Wisconsin Elections Commission has voter registration statistics available on its website  elections.wi.gov/node/7220  (archived here  archive.vn/PXAD8  ). The total number of registered voters in the state on Nov. 1, 2020 at 7 a.m. was 3,684,726. 

Reid Magney, Public Information Officer for the Wisconsin Elections Commission, told Reuters by phone that the claim is “pure disinformation” and confirmed the number of registered voters as 3,684,726."

..............................................

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-wisconsin-vote-vs-voters-afs:Content:9672223878

 

CLAIM: Wisconsin has “3,129,000 registered voters,” but counted 3,239,920 votes.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. According to the Wisconsin Elections Commission, the state had 3,684,726 active registered voters as of Nov. 1. As of Wednesday afternoon, there had been nearly 3.3 million ballots counted in the presidential race, according to The Associated Press.

 

Come back home from Fantasy Island and accept reality, the only 'Dodgy Shit' is what Rudy Guiliani uses to dye his hair.

Edited 28 November, 2020 by badgerx16