Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[buctootim]

2 hours ago, benjii said:

Looking like Biden could flip Arizona but the overall result won't be known until all the counting is finished in a day or two in PA etc.

Think Biden will get Arizona, Nevada and squeeze Georgia which will get him 260. Cant see where the other 10 come from though - unless the postal votes in PA do fall his way massively   

[egg]

8 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Think Biden will get Arizona, Nevada and squeeze Georgia which will get him 260. Cant see where the other 10 come from though - unless the postal votes in PA do fall his way massively   

Yep, that's how I see it. He looks to be too far behind in PA so it's looking like a Trump victory. 

[buctootim]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

 

 

Edited 4 November, 2020 by buctootim
probs not actually

[saint1977]

38 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Think Biden will get Arizona, Nevada and squeeze Georgia which will get him 260. Cant see where the other 10 come from though - unless the postal votes in PA do fall his way massively   

Minnesota solid blue and worth 10? Picked up a surprise vote in Nebraska and everyone counts. 

[buctootim]

2 minutes ago, saint1977 said:

Minnesota solid blue and worth 10? Picked up a surprise vote in Nebraska and everyone counts. 

Yep I'm counting Minnesota as Biden already. The states which realistically are in play are Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia plus one vote each from Maine and Nebraska. 

[skintsaint]

Trump: 'We're going to the Supreme Court'

Don't care who wins but will be good watching the fall out of all of this.

[LGTL]

Trump trying to change a voting system that's been in play since the 1800's. He's clearly done better then the polls predicted (not surprising) but he wouldn't be crying about counting postal ballots if he didn't think they'd make a difference. 

[aintforever]

Trump wants to stop counting votes and let the courts decide.

[norwaysaint]

Even if Biden scrapes a win, he's almost certainly failed to take control of the Senate, so he'd only be a weak leader with the equivalent of no majority.

[SKD]

14 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Trump wants to stop counting votes and let the courts decide.

Not quite true. He wants the courts to prevent votes received after the polling stations closed to not be counted. 

votes that are received as late as Friday can still be counted, how is that a fair system? 
 

regardless, the courts won’t rule in his favour, so it’s a pointless debate, lump on Biden whilst trump is favourite, it’s only going 1 way now and trump knows it. 
 

Things are going to get really messy. I wouldn’t be surprised antifa will get the civil war they’ve been craving.  
 

 

[aintforever]

1 minute ago, SKD said:

 

votes that are received as late as Friday can still be counted, how is that a fair system? 
 

Isn't that the rules, if they are postmarked on election day they are counted?

[LVSaint]

Pennsylvania looks too far gone, I think. Since Georgia is now in play, this and Wisconsin can win it for Biden, without needing Michigan (for example, although there are several variables). Millions of Democrat votes are out there....easily enough for a comfortable win IMO. Whether they get counted, remains to be seen. It's fucking pathetic.

[LGTL]

9 minutes ago, SKD said:

 

votes that are received as late as Friday can still be counted, how is that a fair system?

 

 

Because that’s what some individual states allow and has been that way for nearly 200 years. Trump can’t just change the rules when it suits him. 
 

Anyway, these are all votes that have already been cast, it’s not like the polls are still open. 

Edited 4 November, 2020 by LGTL

[norwaysaint]

They're only talking about counting all of the postal votes sent in on time, so that just seems proper and democratic. It's not as if they are counting votes cast after stations closed. Trump's complaining, but that's just a continuation of his efforts to inhibit a section of the voting public that is largely democrat. Of course votes cast in time should be counted, no matter how slow the post is. I'd imagine most places will have declared before Friday anyway, as the amounts of remaining votes will probably be insignificant by then.

 

[hypochondriac]

Regardless of the final result, Democrats need to finally look at themselves and what they are doing as a party. They had the opportunity after 2016 and if anything they got worse. Let's hope they actually do a bit of soul searching rather than calling everyone racist and sexist. 

[Millbrook Saint]

There are whole swathes of Americans unhappy with their lot, feeling neglected by their own government, rightly or wrongly.

Trump has tapped in to this which is where his core votes comes from, the Democrats, instead of addressing the issue have just gone with playing the man, their biggest selling point, as far as I can see is 'vote for us, we aint Trump'. 

They had 4 years to look at why people voted for Trump and try and address it, but all they could come up with is 'vote us or you're racist'

You then have halfwit celebrities, the twitter and facebook woke brigade bullying anyone who dares say they support Trump or anything he says, brandishing them racists and trying to close them down, even going as far as ruining their careers.  You get idiot pundits such as that CNN bloke condemning people for voting for Trump.  All this in a free and democratic country.... apparently.

Why would anyone put their head above the parapet and admit to being a Trump supporter, but when you're in the privacy of that booth, that's when their voice is heard.

The sooner the Democrats try and address the issues the Trump supporters feel they have instead of ignoring them, the sooner they might get voted in with a majority.

The way the democrats, twitter, facebook and the celebrities over there act, I kind of think they deserve having Trump for another 4 years.

[tajjuk]

17 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

There are whole swathes of Americans unhappy with their lot, feeling neglected by their own government, rightly or wrongly.

Yes there are but these people are clearly idiots if they have voted for him again. I get it in 2016, but he has literally done the opposite of what he said and has done nothing to help these people, hes given tax benefits to the rich, hes literally played with their lives by mishandling Covid, instead of clearing the 'swamp' as he put it, he has filled his cabinet with people that are the epitome of the establishment and who are basically like him, rich people who are in positions of power because they are rich not because they are good at the jobs. 

That section of voters he has failed horribly and he knows it because he didn't even campaign on any of that stuff again, his whole campaign has been based around stupid conspiracy theories and blaming other people for problems he has created. 

If those people cannot see that now then they are dumb and are correctly labelled as such. 

Also a good proportion of those people are racists, lets not kid ourselves here. 

Consistently right wing governments get Turkeys to vote for christmas through lying, vote suppression, race baiting, fear mongering, victim baiting, blaming everything else under the sun but them and the idiot turkeys swallow it hook line and sinker. And what does it get them? Nothing, they literally vote against making their lives better. 

So anyone voting for Trump should feel ashamed, I have seen plenty of people who voted for him in 2016 who were ashamed and were visibly upset that their vote had put him into power and that is had directed harmed people because of the race baiting, the division, the covid mismanagement, the lying etc. I saw one woman who literally broke down into tears because she felt so guilty she had unleashed that moron onto the country. 

Yes the stupid Democrats should actually offer change instead of a diet establishment republican that will change nothing, had they actually no repeatedly cheated Bernie out of the nomination I seriously doubt Trump would ever have been President and he certainly wouldn't be winning now. 

However that doesn't excuse the mass stupidity that is voting for Trump right now, they have had 4 years of him, if you are not some inred racist redneck or very wealthy white person, then those people have very few legitimate arguments as to why anyone should vote for him.  

[whelk]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Regardless of the final result, Democrats need to finally look at themselves and what they are doing as a party. They had the opportunity after 2016 and if anything they got worse. Let's hope they actually do a bit of soul searching rather than calling everyone racist and sexist. 

They had an interview with a Cuban American who said he voted Trump because he was worried about Biden’s communist views. 
So much misinformation and policies don’t seem to count.

Baffling how even one person votes for this cunt. But hey the cult of personality and Americans who are generally thick seem to love him.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, whelk said:

They had an interview with a Cuban American who said he voted Trump because he was worried about Biden’s communist views. 
So much misinformation and policies don’t seem to count.

Baffling how even one person votes for this cunt. But hey the cult of personality and Americans who are generally thick seem to love him.

The Democrats haven't helped themselves by cosyibg up to the berbie sanders supporters and crazy people like AOC and Ilhan Omar. Just like Corbyn you need to have mass appeal rather than just speak to the fringe. Democrats should have won this election handily and the fact they haven't is an indictment on their party. It's not baffling why people have voted for him at all. 

[buctootim]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Regardless of the final result, Democrats need to finally look at themselves and what they are doing as a party. They had the opportunity after 2016 and if anything they got worse. Let's hope they actually do a bit of soul searching rather than calling everyone racist and sexist. 

Thats even more true of the Republicans. The Democrats simply chose somebody who was always not quite up to Presidential material and is now past it - thats something they can easily change. The Republicans have allowed Trumpism to take over their party and head off down a demographic dead end - on race but also appealing to older people without college degrees just as the country is becoming younger on average and better educated.

A great interview with a former Republican senator last night describing how most of Republican Congress hate him and see him taking the party down a road to nowhere but Trump cronies now hold the party levers of power and most senators are so self serving they simply want to keep their heads down and hold onto their seats. .

 

    

Edited 4 November, 2020 by buctootim

[buctootim]

4 minutes ago, whelk said:

They had an interview with a Cuban American who said he voted Trump because he was worried about Biden’s communist views. 
So much misinformation and policies don’t seem to count.

Baffling how even one person votes for this cunt. But hey the cult of personality and Americans who are generally thick seem to love him.

Yep there was a lot of analysis last night saying how the Mexican latina vote in the SW states is overwhelmingly Democrat but the Florida latinas are made up of formerly wealthy refugees from failed socialist and communist regimes like Venezuala and Cuba and that Trump painting Biden as a Marxist bizarrely hit home with them.     

[Millbrook Saint]

1 hour ago, tajjuk said:

Yes there are but these people are clearly idiots if they have voted for him again. I get it in 2016, but he has literally done the opposite of what he said and has done nothing to help these people, hes given tax benefits to the rich, hes literally played with their lives by mishandling Covid, instead of clearing the 'swamp' as he put it, he has filled his cabinet with people that are the epitome of the establishment and who are basically like him, rich people who are in positions of power because they are rich not because they are good at the jobs. 

That section of voters he has failed horribly and he knows it because he didn't even campaign on any of that stuff again, his whole campaign has been based around stupid conspiracy theories and blaming other people for problems he has created. 

If those people cannot see that now then they are dumb and are correctly labelled as such. 

Also a good proportion of those people are racists, lets not kid ourselves here. 

Consistently right wing governments get Turkeys to vote for christmas through lying, vote suppression, race baiting, fear mongering, victim baiting, blaming everything else under the sun but them and the idiot turkeys swallow it hook line and sinker. And what does it get them? Nothing, they literally vote against making their lives better. 

So anyone voting for Trump should feel ashamed, I have seen plenty of people who voted for him in 2016 who were ashamed and were visibly upset that their vote had put him into power and that is had directed harmed people because of the race baiting, the division, the covid mismanagement, the lying etc. I saw one woman who literally broke down into tears because she felt so guilty she had unleashed that moron onto the country. 

Yes the stupid Democrats should actually offer change instead of a diet establishment republican that will change nothing, had they actually no repeatedly cheated Bernie out of the nomination I seriously doubt Trump would ever have been President and he certainly wouldn't be winning now. 

However that doesn't excuse the mass stupidity that is voting for Trump right now, they have had 4 years of him, if you are not some inred racist redneck or very wealthy white person, then those people have very few legitimate arguments as to why anyone should vote for him.  

I'm not really sure what to say about that, this attitude is exactly what I'm talking about, it's irrelevant what you, or I think of the bloke, it's what the people who vote for him think about him, accusing them all of being dumb, racist and how they should feel ashamed isn't going to suddenly make them go, oh wait you're right, how stupid of me I'll vote for Biden right now.  What it will do is give them a quiet determination, they'll keep their heads down, not say anything about who they support, then they'll get in the voting booth and put their x under Trump's name.

So it's just right wing governments who lie and cheat is it, think you'll find there are plenty of people who lie, race bait on both side of the fence.

Surely the best way to win these people over is to say, 'you know what, I can see how previous democrats have let you down, I understand how you feel left behind, lost your jobs, vote for us and we'll do the following to try and right the wrongs you feel' but no what they say is 'you're an ignorant, dumb racist, unless you vote for us.

[aintforever]

It is mind-boggling how in a country of that size, the best they can come up with as an opposition is some 77 year old corpse who keeps forgetting stuff. I hope he sneaks it but the country shouldn't be in this position. Completely bonkers.

Edited 4 November, 2020 by aintforever

[whelk]

23 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The Democrats haven't helped themselves by cosyibg up to the berbie sanders supporters and crazy people like AOC and Ilhan Omar. Just like Corbyn you need to have mass appeal rather than just speak to the fringe. Democrats should have won this election handily and the fact they haven't is an indictment on their party. It's not baffling why people have voted for him at all. 

Baffling if you care for character and integrity. He is obnoxious phoney but probably taps into your fears nicely

[badgerx16]

Perhaps some swing voters went with Trump because they feel that Biden won't last a full term, and they look at Kamala Harris as Veep and think 'No thanks".

[Millbrook Saint]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Perhaps some swing voters went with Trump because they feel that Biden won't last a full term, and they look at Kamala Harris as Veep and think 'No thanks".

I'd put money on Biden not lasting a full term, his head seems to have already gone, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks the Democrats plan was always to get Kamala Harris as president through the backdoor 

[Weston Super Saint]

26 minutes ago, whelk said:

Baffling if you care for character and integrity. He is obnoxious phoney but probably taps into your fears nicely

Lol.  If you care for character and integrity, politics isn't for you.

[Tamesaint]

Biden now 1/4 with the bookies.

[Bearsy]

I blame Pacman tbh. He used to have a show called newsnight where he would bully on politicians and everyone thought he was cool. All the other journalists was v.jealous so they tried to be like Pacman too, and it made all politics into one giant game of “Gotcha!”. Wind forward few years and even that bird who sits next to Piers Morgan seems to suddenly think she is Queen’s Grand Inquisitor. It made all the politicians v.scared to say anything Interest so they all started saying Nothing At All.

And then, amid a grey sea of nothingness, Trump pops up and starts Speaking His Mind. Of course, his mind is sewer of filth and depravity, but people decided they preferred being Outraged than Pandered and so they Voted On Him. Twice.

[tajjuk]

19 minutes ago, Millbrook Saint said:

I'm not really sure what to say about that, this attitude is exactly what I'm talking about, it's irrelevant what you, or I think of the bloke, it's what the people who vote for him think about him, accusing them all of being dumb, racist and how they should feel ashamed isn't going to suddenly make them go, oh wait you're right, how stupid of me I'll vote for Biden right now.  What it will do is give them a quiet determination, they'll keep their heads down, not say anything about who they support, then they'll get in the voting booth and put their x under Trump's name.

So it's just right wing governments who lie and cheat is it, think you'll find there are plenty of people who lie, race bait on both side of the fence.

Surely the best way to win these people over is to say, 'you know what, I can see how previous democrats have let you down, I understand how you feel left behind, lost your jobs, vote for us and we'll do the following to try and right the wrongs you feel' but no what they say is 'you're an ignorant, dumb racist, unless you vote for us.

No its not.

How can you not understand that if these people clearly cannot see over 4 years of him as President, that Donald Trump has done NOTHING of what he said he would do for them. All the things that they are supposedly 'disillusioned' with the Washington establishment, Trump has done them all, his presidency is the most typical republican presidency you can get, all his policies are squarely establishment republican policies that do nothing for the average American. Even the economy that he harps on being so good, is not really good, employment was fake even before covid people working temp jobs, multiple jobs just to make ends meet. 

His tax plan saves money for the rich over 10 years, all the benefits over 10 years go to the top 1% and middle class families are worse off.

He said he'd stop the jobs moving back he hasn't.

He said he'd do his useless wall, he hasn't, barely any of it is built, the US taxpayer paid for it not Mexico and its useless and a giant waste of money.

He said he'd clean the swamp of wall street types, his government literally has ex employees of Goldman Sachs. The head of the EPA is a fossil fuels CEO, he put someone in charge of public schools that has never been to a public school in her life and has no educational experience at all. 

He said he'd replace Obama care with something better, but he hasn't and now he is putting it through the Supreme Court to try to remove protections for pre-existing conditions so if he gets his way millions of Americans with stuff like diabetes or heart problems or complications from covid will be without healthcare. 

So even if you ignore the race baiting, the constant whinging about anything and everything, the complete mismanagement of covid, the praising of white supremacists, the impeachment and all the other retarded things he has done. If you ignore all that and purely look at what he has done for the average person as president and that section of the vote you said were feeling neglected by their government, HE HAS DONE NOTHING AND ACTUALLY MADE LIFE WORSE FOR THEM.

So yes if those people after 4 years of evidence that he is a complete fraud and lied to them, and they got none of the change they were seeking they STILL vote for him again, then yes they are clearly very dumb and ignorant, and whatever the democrats do you cannot reach people like that.

Trump won the vote in Florida with a boost in Latinos who thought they were voting against 'socialism', just highlighting my point exactly, not only is socialism not the giant bogey man they think it is and it would actually help make their lives better, but also Joe Biden is the least socialist democrat you could ever get.

I saw another woman interviewed who said she was worried that if Biden won they would get universal healthcare and that was socialism, so she said she would move to Cost Rica, which has universal healthcare. 

Also I did not say ALL these people were racists. 

I said very clearly a big proportion of his base, those MAGA nuts are clearly racist.  Those people don't win him elections, but very clearly they are there and he plays up to them.

 

And yes right wing goverments do that more than left wing, that is just a simple fact. You want to look how many times Trump and the Republicans have lied over the past 4 years? 

 

In 2016 I understand if people voted for an outsider, not a bland, typical establishment candidate in Hillary, wanting change, I got that, and I understand that. 

 

But in 2020, if those same people vote for Trump for the same reasons, after completely failing them at every level, then those people are just stupid and there is no reaching them. 

[Tamesaint]

The American electoral college system was designed centuries ago to satisfy the demands of the individual states who were suspicious of the powers of a federal government. It is even more outdated than our system and it definitely favours the Republicans.

The Democrats have won the popular vote in 6 out of the last 7 American elections. When counting is over this time Biden is likely to have more than 4% of the popular vote than Trump yet the electoral college vote will be close.

Throw  voter supression into the mix (eg one drop off box for pre election votes in the predominantly Democratic city of Houston - population over 4.1million) and the Democrats have some pretty substantial headwinds to contend with.

 

[tajjuk]

https://imgur.com/ORaj1xe

^ Not sure how you can ever reach people like that, when their views are so fundamentally ignorant. 

Edited 4 November, 2020 by tajjuk

[Weston Super Saint]

17 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

No its not.

So, your argument would appear to be that everyone who doesn't share your view is a thick cunt.

That's the way to build a tolerant, respectful society for sure.

[tajjuk]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

So, your argument would appear to be that everyone who doesn't share your view is a thick cunt.

That's the way to build a tolerant, respectful society for sure.

My argument is very simple, if people cannot fundamentally understand things like 'socialism' is not 'communism' and that universal health care is not actually bad, and that they want to leave the country because of 'socialism' to move to a country that has universal health care, and that they cannot see that Donald Trump lied to them and did none of the things they voted for, then yes they are a thick cunt.

Because its an objective fact. 

Also ironic statement of the year right there, right winger in the US being a very tolerant and inclusive group of people, oh wait no. 

[Weston Super Saint]

34 minutes ago, tajjuk said:

My argument is very simple, if people cannot fundamentally understand things like 'socialism' is not 'communism' and that universal health care is not actually bad, and that they want to leave the country because of 'socialism' to move to a country that has universal health care, and that they cannot see that Donald Trump lied to them and did none of the things they voted for, then yes they are a thick cunt.

Because its an objective fact. 

Also ironic statement of the year right there, right winger in the US being a very tolerant and inclusive group of people, oh wait no. 

I hope you live in America, because you seem to be very, very angry about American politics - more angry than anyone who doesn't live in that country reasonably should be!

[LGTL]

Biden now 1/6...

[buctootim]

Kanye West got 3,000 votes in Indiana, 7,000 in Minnesota. People are more reasoned than they're given credit for

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, whelk said:

Baffling if you care for character and integrity. He is obnoxious phoney but probably taps into your fears nicely

I think there is more to it than that. He obviously speaks to a certain section of American society who feel forgotten, ignored or dismissed by others. It's much too simplistic to chalk all his support up to fear. 

[Lighthouse]

3 hours ago, aintforever said:

It is mind-boggling how in a country of that size, the best they can come up with as an opposition is some 77 year old corpse who keeps forgetting stuff. I hope he sneaks it but the country shouldn't be in this position. Completely bonkers.

I’ve never understood it either. Literally all they needed was any straight, white, God-fearing male, aged 40-60. How and why they’ve managed to choose a guy who makes Trump look young and dynamic I’ll never understand.

[Verbal]

2 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

So, your argument would appear to be that everyone who doesn't share your view is a thick cunt.

That's the way to build a tolerant, respectful society for sure.

No, he's saying that it's absurd to characterise Biden's platform as 'socialist' or 'communist'.  This isn't a difference of views but a difference of facts.  Unless, that is, you can tell us which of Biden's proposals is 'socialist' or 'communist'.  

[Weston Super Saint]

25 minutes ago, Verbal said:

No, he's saying that it's absurd to characterise Biden's platform as 'socialist' or 'communist'.  This isn't a difference of views but a difference of facts.  Unless, that is, you can tell us which of Biden's proposals is 'socialist' or 'communist'.  

Sadly not, I really don't follow American proposals that closely as they don't affect me in the slightest.

However, I'm able to understand that rhetoric is used on both sides to divide and conquer.  We even have that here with those to the left claiming that anyone who voted for Boris was a right wing racist.  I'm sure it's very similar in the US.

[buctootim]

It basically comes down to whether you are the sort of person who fact checks what you're told  - or you simply believe stuff because you want it to be true and you like the person who is telling it to you. 

Edited 4 November, 2020 by buctootim

[SKD]

9 hours ago, aintforever said:

Isn't that the rules, if they are postmarked on election day they are counted?

 

9 hours ago, LGTL said:

Because that’s what some individual states allow and has been that way for nearly 200 years. Trump can’t just change the rules when it suits him. 
 

Anyway, these are all votes that have already been cast, it’s not like the polls are still open. 

I get that and that’s why I said the courts won’t rule in his favour. However, just because it’s the rules, doesn’t make it fair, in my opinion. 
 

Allowing votes that have been received after the polls are closed and people know what is required to swing a result is a dangerous game and open to corruption. 
 

it’s not hard to ensure that all votes are received before the Election Day (it’s not as if it was a snap election) and counted at the same time. 

Edited 4 November, 2020 by SKD

[buctootim]

10 minutes ago, SKD said:

 

I get that and that’s why I said the courts won’t rule in his favour. However, just because it’s the rules, doesn’t make it fair, in my opinion. 
 

Allowing votes that have been received after the polls are closed and people know what is required to swing a result is a dangerous game and open to corruption. 
 

it’s not hard to ensure that all votes are received before the Election Day (it’s not as if it was a snap election) and counted at the same time. 

Every state has its own system and rules. Makes it very confusing, but also easier to convince people something untoward is going on.  

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, SKD said:

 

It’s not hard to ensure that all votes are received before the Election Day (it’s not as if it was a snap election) and counted at the same time. 

It became harder when Trump appointed a new head PostMaster, a major party donor to the Republicans with zero experience in the service. along with funding cuts and man-hour reductions.

Edited 4 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

7 minutes ago, buctootim said:

Every state has its own system and rules.

Which is why the overall system is sometimes difficult to fathom; it isn't 1 election, it's 50 separate ones.

Edited 4 November, 2020 by badgerx16

[The Cat]

On 28/10/2020 at 20:22, The Cat said:

Biden will win but not by enough that Trump won't stop moaning about electoral fraud. He'll then barricade himself in the oval office and refuse to leave the White House, living on nothing but lucky charms and full fat coke while tweeting "MAGA MAGA MAGA" over and over for months. 

All that time and money wasted on polls when it looks like they could have just asked me.

[buctootim]

14 minutes ago, The Cat said:

All that time and money wasted on polls when it looks like they could have just asked me.

How's this for a theory - lifted from the comments section of the Express:  "Joe Biden wins, Trump to make a deal with Pence, He is going to step down as President and let Pence be President until inauguration of Biden, and in return Pence as President will Pardon Trump and his family of their wrongdoings during his Presidency"

[whelk]

5 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Lol.  If you care for character and integrity, politics isn't for you.

One wants all votes counted, one wants them counted in states he’s behind but to cease in those that he is ahead. Who is the bigger cunt?

[whelk]

9 minutes ago, buctootim said:

How's this for a theory - lifted from the comments section of the Express:  "Joe Biden wins, Trump to make a deal with Pence, He is going to step down as President and let Pence be President until inauguration of Biden, and in return Pence as President will Pardon Trump and his family of their wrongdoings during his Presidency"

You shock me Tim ferreting around the Express comments section