Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[east-stand-nic]

12 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Sorry Gloucester but I can’t let this pass. The Mail is an odious far right propaganda sheet. The Guardian and Observer might be centre/left leaning, but let’s not pretend that they are a centre/left version of the Mail.

The Mail has now become to the Middle Classes what The Sun used to be to the Working Classes - a purveyor of red meat to feed their prejudices.

Is that a fact or merely your opinion?

Is that a fact or merely your opinion?

 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Is that a fact or merely your opinion?

Is that a fact or merely your opinion?

 

If you got out more you would probably realise that a great many people share that opinion. It is certainly a “fact” that the Daily Mail currently exists to fuel right wing agendas and throw water on anything vaguely liberal. The front pages are testiment to that every single day. If you can’t see that then you are probably one of the people that they are aiming at.

You would be hard pressed to find many media commentators who would compare the editorial stance of the Mail to either The Guardian or The Observer.

The Guardian and Observer, on the other hand, are liberal mouth pieces but they don’t have the same attack dog mentality displayed at the Mail. They both have been critical of Starmer’s policies since he came into power, not something you would see from the Mail during the last 14 years of Tory rule.

Anyway, you talk about fact and opinion but you are quite happy to spout your conspiracy theories as “fact”.

It is telling that you and the other laughing boy emoji fetishist seem to find the same things amusing. Birds of a feather…

Are you ever actually going to express an opinion about what Trump and his sidekicks Vance and Musk are up to on this thread or are you just using it to troll?

Edited March 18 by sadoldgit

[Weston Super Saint]

59 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If you got out more you would probably realise that a great many people share that opinion. It is certainly a “fact” that the Daily Mail currently exists to fuel right wing agendas and throw water on anything vaguely liberal. The front pages are testiment to that every single day. If you can’t see that then you are probably one of the people that they are aiming at.

You would be hard pressed to find many media commentators who would compare the editorial stance of the Mail to either The Guardian or The Observer.

The Guardian and Observer, on the other hand, are liberal mouth pieces but they don’t have the same attack dog mentality displayed at the Mail. They both have been critical of Starmer’s policies since he came into power, not something you would see from the Mail during the last 14 years of Tory rule.

Anyway, you talk about fact and opinion but you are quite happy to spout your conspiracy theories as “fact”.

It is telling that you and the other laughing boy emoji fetishist seem to find the same things amusing. Birds of a feather…

Are you ever actually going to express an opinion about what Trump and his sidekicks Vance and Musk are up to on this thread or are you just using it to troll?

To paraphrase Soggy's black and white world.

Daily Mail = racist scum (because Soggy doesn't agree with anything they write)

Guardian = paragon of virtue.

Edited March 18 by Weston Super Saint
Autocorrect posted doggy

[Whitey Grandad]

2 hours ago, east-stand-nic said:

Is that a fact or merely your opinion?

Is that a fact or merely your opinion?

 

Both can be true simultaneously.

[east-stand-nic]

42 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

If you got out more you would probably realise that a great many people share that opinion. It is certainly a “fact” that the Daily Mail currently exists to fuel right wing agendas and throw water on anything vaguely liberal. The front pages are testiment to that every single day. If you can’t see that then you are probably one of the people that they are aiming at.

You would be hard pressed to find many media commentators who would compare the editorial stance of the Mail to either The Guardian or The Observer.

The Guardian and Observer, on the other hand, are liberal mouth pieces but they don’t have the same attack dog mentality displayed at the Mail. They both have been critical of Starmer’s policies since he came into power, not something you would see from the Mail during the last 14 years of Tory rule.

Anyway, you talk about fact and opinion but you are quite happy to spout your conspiracy theories as “fact”.

It is telling that you and the other laughing boy emoji fetishist seem to find the same things amusing. Birds of a feather…

Are you ever actually going to express an opinion about what Trump and his sidekicks Vance and Musk are up to on this thread or are you just using it to troll?

You see, as Turkish said a few days ago, this is the issue MANY have with you. So are those MANY are correct as the MANY who agree with your view about the daily mail? Think on it. It is NOT a fact, it is an opinion.

Now then, please show me where I have said my opinions on stuff are FACTUALLY correct and true? You really just cannot see it can you.

An opinion or Trump and Vance? Is it worth me telling you, because you will only twist it to save face and embarrassment on what you have dribbled on about for months and months about me. 

Edited March 18 by east-stand-nic
forgot to reply to another point

[east-stand-nic]

25 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Both can be true simultaneously.

Rachel Riley or Jameela Jamil.....your choice would be a fact or opinion? People reading information will assess it in their own way and make their own decision on the information. To say someone who read this paper or that paper is WRONG is madness. 

I am currently in a seated position. That is an example of a real FACT.

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

You see, as Turkish said a few days ago, this is the issue MANY have with you. So are those MANY are correct as the MANY who agree with your view about the daily mail? Think on it. It is NOT a fact, it is an opinion.

Now then, please show me where I have said my opinions on stuff are FACTUALLY correct and true? You really just cannot see it can you.

So tell me nutty nic, just how many people have to have an opinion before it becomes accepted as a fact?

As for your “opinions”, didn’t you once tell us that they carried more weight because you had travelled so much?

And as for quoting Turkish, if you believe that gives you any more credibility you are even more nuttier than I thought.

[badgerx16]

9 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

 

I am currently in a seated position. That is an example of a real FACT.

Without photographic substantiation how do we know this is true ?

Edited March 18 by badgerx16

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

....how many people have to have an opinion before it becomes accepted as a fact?

 

That depends on the social media algorithms.

[whelk]

4 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Without photographic substantiation how do we know this is true ?

And obviously depends when you read the post. 
 

[whelk]

[Whitey Grandad]

55 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Rachel Riley or Jameela Jamil.....your choice would be a fact or opinion? People reading information will assess it in their own way and make their own decision on the information. To say someone who read this paper or that paper is WRONG is madness. 

I am currently in a seated position. That is an example of a real FACT.

Only if you say so 😉

[Whitey Grandad]

57 minutes ago, east-stand-nic said:

Rachel Riley or Jameela Jamil.....your choice would be a fact or opinion? People reading information will assess it in their own way and make their own decision on the information. To say someone who read this paper or that paper is WRONG is madness. 

I am currently in a seated position. That is an example of a real FACT.

No contest. Rachel Riley every time.

[sadoldgit]

One man’s fact is another’s opinion. Unless you are Donald Trump of course, in which case he has “alternative facts” to contend with.

Where have I ever said that a person is “wrong” for reading a certain newspaper? You accuse me of twisting facts yet you do it constantly.

I see you have bottled out of giving an opinion on the current government of the US. No surprise there. You constantly say that you don’t support Trump and what he is up to but never venture an opinion when pressed. If you agree or disagree with what is going on, how an earth can I twist your response?

Come on, let’s see if we can tease it out of you and get you to post something relevant to the thread instead of your usual WUMmery.

1. Do you think that the recent tariff increases on imports will help or hinder the US economy and is this a masterstroke by Trump or a cock up of Liz Trussian proportions?

2. Do you think that it is hypocritical of Vance to accuse the UK and EU of allegedly shutting down free speech when the Trump administration is currently doing so in the US?

3. Do you think it was wise of Trump to let an unelected, drug addicted person with apparent mental health issues loose on government departments?

You can do this nic, I have faith in you.

Oh, one more for luck.

4. Is the world flat or round and is your answer a fact or an opinion?

Edited March 18 by sadoldgit

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

If you got out more you would probably realise that a great many people share that opinion. It is certainly a “fact” that the Daily Mail currently exists to fuel right wing agendas and throw water on anything vaguely liberal. The front pages are testiment to that every single day. If you can’t see that then you are probably one of the people that they are aiming at.

You would be hard pressed to find many media commentators who would compare the editorial stance of the Mail to either The Guardian or The Observer.

The Guardian and Observer, on the other hand, are liberal mouth pieces but they don’t have the same attack dog mentality displayed at the Mail. They both have been critical of Starmer’s policies since he came into power, not something you would see from the Mail during the last 14 years of Tory rule.

Anyway, you talk about fact and opinion but you are quite happy to spout your conspiracy theories as “fact”.

It is telling that you and the other laughing boy emoji fetishist seem to find the same things amusing. Birds of a feather…

Are you ever actually going to express an opinion about what Trump and his sidekicks Vance and Musk are up to on this thread or are you just using it to troll?

You share opinion pieces as fact, they even have frigging Opinion Piece written in the title, so you are in no position to criticise anyone

BTW 12 laughing emojis on the refunds thread, must be like a dagger in your heart.

[Turkish]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

So tell me nutty nic, just how many people have to have an opinion before it becomes accepted as a fact?

As for your “opinions”, didn’t you once tell us that they carried more weight because you had travelled so much?

And as for quoting Turkish, if you believe that gives you any more credibility you are even more nuttier than I thought.

12 laughing emojis today.

Over 30 many times in the past.

Started many threads that have lasted for years with hundreds of replies and thousands of views

Head of CoT - a fact based thread

Show us your credibility. 

[Tamesaint]

3 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

To paraphrase Soggy's black and white world.

Daily Mail = racist scum (because Soggy doesn't agree with anything they write)

Guardian = paragon of virtue.

Do you think we could ask for a yawning emoji to respond appropriately to yet another needless post in the gruesome threesome's anti Soggy vendetta? 

[Turkish]

30 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Do you think we could ask for a yawning emoji to respond appropriately to yet another needless post in the gruesome threesome's anti Soggy vendetta? 

Look who started it, yet again. 
 

Nick asked a reasonable question and SOG once again made it personal with a load of digs. Usual tactic attacks people then plays the victim. He’s done it for years finally most people have worked out his attention seeking, narcissistic behaviour. Funny how no one else gets the same treatment. I wonder why. If you’re gonna play with the bulls don’t cry when you feel it’s horns 

Edited March 18 by Turkish

[Weston Super Saint]

38 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Do you think we could ask for a yawning emoji to respond appropriately to yet another needless post in the gruesome threesome's anti Soggy vendetta? 

That would be perfect.  We could just click on that for each of his posts rather than bother to write anything.

Start a petition.

[egg]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

12 laughing emojis today.

Over 30 many times in the past.

Started many threads that have lasted for years with hundreds of replies and thousands of views

Head of CoT - a fact based thread

Show us your credibility. 

To be fair, SoG is guaranteed a laughing emoji on every post from Nic, and also from Hypo if it relates to innocent dead Palestinians. None of us can boast that kind of a loyal fanclub. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

55 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Do you think we could ask for a yawning emoji to respond appropriately to yet another needless post in the gruesome threesome's anti Soggy vendetta? 

Leave SOG's Vienetta alone!

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

12 laughing emojis today.

Over 30 many times in the past.

Started many threads that have lasted for years with hundreds of replies and thousands of views

Head of CoT - a fact based thread

Show us your credibility. 

Any grown man who bases his credibility on the number of laughing emojis he gets and boasts about being “head” of a puerile, childish thread really doesn’t have any at all. In fact you  have just hoisted yourself by your own petard.

[whelk]

Can any fucking thread stay on topic?

[Turkish]

9 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Any grown man who bases his credibility on the number of laughing emojis he gets and boasts about being “head” of a puerile, childish thread really doesn’t have any at all. In fact you  have just hoisted yourself by your own petard.

Jealousy is a cruel mistress SOG. What’s your credibility then? Come on what makes you the voice of the forum?

Edited March 18 by Turkish
It’s 15 laughs now 😎

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, whelk said:

Can any fucking thread stay on topic?

[Turkish]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

To be fair, SoG is guaranteed a laughing emoji on every post from Nic, and also from Hypo if it relates to innocent dead Palestinians. None of us can boast that kind of a loyal fanclub. 

He does have a fan base I’ll give you that. I guess he’s what you’d call a cult poster, a small but loyal following whereas I have a large fan base, even people who don’t like me can’t deny my qualities and like to engage once in a while. if I was a band I’d be that band everyone would want to see once just to say they’d seen them, sort of a U2 or Rolling Stones. 

[egg]

Just now, Turkish said:

He does have a fan base I’ll give you that. I guess he’s what you’d call a cult poster, a small but loyal following whereas I have a large fan base, even people who don’t like me can’t deny my qualities and like to engage once in a while. if I was a band I’d be that band everyone would want to see once just to say they’d seen them, sort of a U2 or Rolling Stones. 

An "if I was a band or singer" thread is a good shout. I'd have to think about that one. 

[Turkish]

Just now, egg said:

An "if I was a band or singer" thread is a good shout. I'd have to think about that one. 

You are James Blunt, nailed on 😜

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Turkish said:

He does have a fan base I’ll give you that. I guess he’s what you’d call a cult poster, a small but loyal following whereas I have a large fan base, even people who don’t like me can’t deny my qualities and like to engage once in a while. if I was a band I’d be that band everyone would want to see once just to say they’d seen them, sort of a U2 or Rolling Stones. 

Not sure on your spelling there, chief 👍

[Gloucester Saint]

19 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Sorry Gloucester but I can’t let this pass. The Mail is an odious far right propaganda sheet. The Guardian and Observer might be centre/left leaning, but let’s not pretend that they are a centre/left version of the Mail.

The Mail has now become to the Middle Classes what The Sun used to be to the Working Classes - a purveyor of red meat to feed their prejudices.

They are slightly better in the sense that they can occasionally criticise Labour but a lot of the articles are a bit too rhetorical for me and try too hard. The Mail has become notably worse since Ted Verity took over as editor from Geordie Grieg. I wouldn’t say it’s far right, it’s just very political all of the time and very mono. Positioned on the right wing of the Conservative Party and some of the Brexit headlines ‘enemies of the people’ was really scummy, but some of my family are Telegraph readers and that’s to the right of the Mail these days. Both papers promoted Truss big time in 2022, the Mail destroyed Mourdant really unpleasantly, and bagged Sunak. It all ended in massive humiliation for them and they won’t recover from it.

Telegraph - if it doesn’t go pop because their debts and losses are terrifying - has taken the Mail’s middle class readers, as its own One Nation demographic has migrated to The Times and some to the Indy. Some of my family read the Mail, and aren’t Tory or Reform voters. I would never buy it, but they like the sport and the TV weekend guide. To be frank, you probably find better and more accurate stories in the Star, and certainly the front pages give me a good laugh. 

Newspapers are increasingly irrelevant anyway. Which is a good thing in some ways as it disempowers one set of billionaire non-doms but people take their news instead from other billionaire shady non-doms online instead eg Facebook, which is less regulated.

We are fucked if the OFCOM rules are ever allowed to genuinely slide on the quality of TV news. I don’t care about GBeebies. If Paul Marshall wants to spunk his hedge fund fortune away with 9 people watching that crap, good. 

Edited March 18 by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

1 minute ago, Turkish said:

You are James Blunt, nailed on 😜

Cheeky prick!! 

[Gloucester Saint]

18 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Not bad, but I still dream of Double Deckers. Fucking lactose intolerance!

[egg]

1 minute ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not bad, but I still dream of Double Deckers. Fucking lactose intolerance!

Not ideal! Presumably decent dark chocolate is okay though? 

[The Kraken]

7 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Some of my family read the Mail, and aren’t Tory or Reform voters. I would never buy it, but they like the sport and the TV weekend guide.

Same, my parents both read the Mail and the Telegraph, tbf they’ve voted Tory in the past but typically go Lib Dem. If I’m over there at the weekend I’ll sometimes have a read of the sport in the Mail on Sunday but tbh it’s gotten much more bland than I remember it being. Telegraph sport section I find alright. The front pages of both are to be avoided though, so over the top political partisanship.

i genuinely can’t remember the last time I bought a newspaper for myself. Probably would’ve been about 15 years ago when on holiday, pre smart phone era and trying to catch up on summer football transfers while sat on the beach.

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, egg said:

Not ideal! Presumably decent dark chocolate is okay though? 

Yeah, mostly. The darker stuff tends to be safer and your taste buds adapt. The plant-based ranges are getting better but the attempts at ‘milk chocolate’ are often rank.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

31 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Not bad, but I still dream of Double Deckers. Fucking lactose intolerance!

The way this page is going, someone will post a Guardian link. There, you will learn to accept the reasons for intolerance towards lactose, understand the history of lactose and the prejudice it has faced, and demand you overcompensate by having loads of it in your diet. 🙂

[Lighthouse]

The great man has managed to negotiate Putin into promising he’ll only bomb schools and hospitals for the next month. What a shrewd dealer he really is.

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Jealousy is a cruel mistress SOG. What’s your credibility then? Come on what makes you the voice of the forum?

Nothing makes me the voice of the forum and I don’t pretend to be. There is a sad desperation in your need to feel special isn’t there Turkish?

[sadoldgit]

28 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

The great man has managed to negotiate Putin into promising he’ll only bomb schools and hospitals for the next month. What a shrewd dealer he really is.

For someone who said he would end the war with a click of his fingers he really isn’t doing too well.

Edited March 18 by sadoldgit
Typo

[Baird of the land]

Trump is prone to hyperbolic statements but he is certainly making progress towards ending the war. We’ll have to see where it all ends up.

it’s funnier hearing macron try and say he’s been promoting peace from day 1.

[Lighthouse]

3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Trump is prone to hyperbolic statements but he is certainly making progress towards ending the war. We’ll have to see where it all ends up.

it’s funnier hearing macron try and say he’s been promoting peace from day 1.

He’s achieved absolutely nothing other than undermining Ukraine’s defence of their own existence by throwing his toys out the pram and withdrawing military support

[badgerx16]

15 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Trump is prone to hyperbolic statements but he is certainly making progress towards ending the war. We’ll have to see where it all ends up.

it’s funnier hearing macron try and say he’s been promoting peace from day 1.

By probably forcing Ukraine into conceding everything Putin desires of them. There is not one thing Trump has done that has hurt Putin or Russia in the slightest, or indeed been directed at them, in fact he has bent over backwards to accommodate Putin and deliver on his wish list.

Edited March 18 by badgerx16

[rallyboy]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Yeah, mostly. The darker stuff tends to be safer and your taste buds adapt. 

Mmmmmm, 70%...

That's the stuff. 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

They are slightly better in the sense that they can occasionally criticise Labour but a lot of the articles are a bit too rhetorical for me and try too hard. The Mail has become notably worse since Ted Verity took over as editor from Geordie Grieg. I wouldn’t say it’s far right, it’s just very political all of the time and very mono. Positioned on the right wing of the Conservative Party and some of the Brexit headlines ‘enemies of the people’ was really scummy, but some of my family are Telegraph readers and that’s to the right of the Mail these days. Both papers promoted Truss big time in 2022, the Mail destroyed Mourdant really unpleasantly, and bagged Sunak. It all ended in massive humiliation for them and they won’t recover from it.

Telegraph - if it doesn’t go pop because their debts and losses are terrifying - has taken the Mail’s middle class readers, as its own One Nation demographic has migrated to The Times and some to the Indy. Some of my family read the Mail, and aren’t Tory or Reform voters. I would never buy it, but they like the sport and the TV weekend guide. To be frank, you probably find better and more accurate stories in the Star, and certainly the front pages give me a good laugh. 

Newspapers are increasingly irrelevant anyway. Which is a good thing in some ways as it disempowers one set of billionaire non-doms but people take their news instead from other billionaire shady non-doms online instead eg Facebook, which is less regulated.

We are fucked if the OFCOM rules are ever allowed to genuinely slide on the quality of TV news. I don’t care about GBeebies. If Paul Marshall wants to spunk his hedge fund fortune away with 9 people watching that crap, good. 

I agree that newspapers don’t have the power they once had, but they can still effect public opinion and as you say, they can still destroy someone’s career if they put their mind(s) to it. I can’t remember the last time I bought a newspaper and circulations have certainly dwindled, but there is still a lot of online stuff from “Fleet Street” out there on a daily basis. Newspaper ownership still gets you noticed in the corridors of power. Billionaires wouldn’t waste their money if they didn’t think ownership in the print media didn’t open doors. Some newspapers still believe in investigative journalism and holding those in power to account - their stories come out both in print and online nowadays.

Horses for courses naturally and people will gravitate towards those who reflect their ideals. My problem with the print media and the media in general though is that it is weighted towards those with the money to make their influence felt. These people tend not to care about us ordinary people, only what serves their own purposes.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Mmmmmm, 70%...

That's the stuff. 

The moment the SaintsWeb splintered* into the Dark(Chocolate)SaintsWeb with it's Buy&Sell forum for High Cocoa produce. 🙂

 

*(some say it separated in the crumbliest, flakiest way)

[sadoldgit]

10 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

By probably forcing Ukraine into conceding everything Putin desires of them. There is not one thing Trump has done that has hurt Putin or Russia in the slightest, or indeed been directed at them, in fact he has bent over backwards to accommodate Putin and deliver on his wish list.

Putin owns Trump and Trump has Zelensky by the balls. Watch Ukraine get sold down the river while Putin and Trump divi up the spoils.

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Nothing makes me the voice of the forum and I don’t pretend to be. There is a sad desperation in your need to feel special isn’t there Turkish?

don’t need to be desperate 15 laughs today show I am. Remind me how many you’ve got? I reckon I’m pound for pound the GOAT of football forums 
 

For someone that claimed only last week that you don’t pay attention to my posts you’re doing a very bad job of it. Or was it yet another lie Pinocchio? 

Edited March 18 by Turkish

[The Kraken]

Log on.  Read thread.  “You've chosen to ignore content by <person on ignore>”. Click to read content anyway. Take person previously on, to off ignore. Respond by badly written text to said person. Smile to self.  Put person back on ignore. Repeat many times, daily.

Apparently.

[Saint in Paradise]

More ammunition to the claim that Trump is Putin's lap dog as Putin made Trump wait an hour before

deeming to give Trump his instructions.

[Saint in Paradise]

8 hours ago, Turkish said:

He does have a fan base I’ll give you that. I guess he’s what you’d call a cult poster, a small but loyal following whereas I have a large fan base, even people who don’t like me can’t deny my qualities and like to engage once in a while. if I was a band I’d be that band everyone would want to see once just to say they’d seen them, sort of a U2 or Rolling Stones. 

The Stones YES but U2? Hell no