Donald Trump Appreciation Thread

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Colinjb said:

This is what happens when a man of honour tries to deal with entitled toddlers.

It would appear the 'Art of the Deal' isn't so easy to dictate when it's not currency, but a matter of life and death.

Agreed Trump is doing his best but seems like they won’t compromise on a few things 

[The Kraken]

Quite depressing viewing all round that. Nothing to feel enthusiastic about from either side. Trump and Vance looked like absolute weaklings. Zelensky, he’s been through a lot of shit but you don’t go into the Oval Office and try to talk over your biggest financial backers like that, despite the obvious and deliberate provocation in front of a worldwide media.

Genuinely sad to watch that.

[Farmer Saint]

21 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

Quite depressing viewing all round that. Nothing to feel enthusiastic about from either side. Trump and Vance looked like absolute weaklings. Zelensky, he’s been through a lot of shit but you don’t go into the Oval Office and try to talk over your biggest financial backers like that, despite the obvious and deliberate provocation in front of a worldwide media.

Genuinely sad to watch that.

It was as if they wanted it to happen...

[Colinjb]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It was as if they wanted it to happen...

I fear this may be giving Trump too much credit. But I did wonder.

[The Kraken]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It was as if they wanted it to happen...

 

Just now, Colinjb said:

I fear this may be giving Trump too much credit. But I did wonder.

I definitely think the US got exactly what they wanted from it.

[aintforever]

Zelensky Didn’t handle it well but it looked like a planned ambush to me. So sad watching such a strong statesman to get yelled at by a demented fascist toddler.

And the guy is at war, trying to save his country’s existence and some yank cunt asks him why he’s not wearing a suit. It’s hard to believe what you are watching.

Edited Friday at 21:51 by aintforever

[The Kraken]

I maybe wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the end for Zelensky. He’s hinted at it before, he would step down in the better interest.

A new Ukrainian leader to usher in a peace deal, it allows Trump to look like he negotiated a win and it lets Putin look like he’s not lost face.  It’s not going to end how Ukraine wants it to, but it might end.

[Colinjb]

7 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

I maybe wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the end for Zelensky. He’s hinted at it before, he would step down in the better interest.

A new Ukrainian leader to usher in a peace deal, it allows Trump to look like he negotiated a win and it lets Putin look like he’s not lost face.  It’s not going to end how Ukraine wants it to, but it might end.

But would Zelensky do this, knowing it probably just kicks the can down the road? Russia want Ukraine... Putin wants Ukraine. This would be Neville Chamberlain repeated.

[Lighthouse]

What an utterly depressing time for freedom and democracy this is. If you told me five years ago that not only would Russia invade Europe but that the US president would effectively be on Putin’s side and throw the victims under the bus, I’d never have believed you. How Americans can vote that pathetic man-baby into the White House I can’t fathom.

[The Kraken]

2 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

But would Zelensky do this, knowing it probably just kicks the can down the road? Russia want Ukraine... Putin wants Ukraine. This would be Neville Chamberlain repeated.

Maybe it doesn’t kick the can down the road. Maybe it arrives at a passable solution. No idea. But I think one thing is certain, the status quo has been demolished this week and change will happen, one way or the other.  Ukraine are guaranteed US funding until later this year by an order signed into effect under Biden. Beyond that, and without US backing, it’s an entirely different story. I may be well off beam, but it seems a potential course of action.

Ukraine getting their demands seems the less likely of all outcomes right now.  The Trump / Putin alliance will have a significant say, no matter how much we dislike it.

[sadoldgit]

30 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Zelensky Didn’t handle it well but it looked like a planned ambush to me. So sad watching such a strong statesman to get yelled at by a demented fascist toddler.

And the guy is at war, trying to save his country’s existence and some yank cunt asks him why he’s not wearing a suit. It’s hard to believe what you are watching.

I have just seen the bit where he was asked about not wearing a suit. What planet are these people on. He had made it clear for years that he will wear a suit when the war is over.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

I have just seen the bit where he was asked about not wearing a suit. What planet are these people on. He had made it clear for years that he will wear a suit when the war is over.

It was a deliberate plan to undermine him live on TV. Everybody knows his position on what he wears, and he wore exactly the same style of clothing on his previous visits to the US, whether to address the UN or to meet Biden, Harris, and Trump. Musk is now wading in over this issue. What a lot of utterly contemptible shits they have running the US.

Edited Friday at 22:26 by badgerx16

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

It was a deliberate plan to undermine him live on TV.

Having seen it again, yes. I think we are seeing the break up of NATO. Trump is more interested in doing deals with Putin than working with the UK and the EU. Putin will be loving this and as you say, it was probably orchestrated to suck up to him. Not looking good.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Zelensky Didn’t handle it well but it looked like a planned ambush to me. So sad watching such a strong statesman to get yelled at by a demented fascist toddler.

And the guy is at war, trying to save his country’s existence and some yank cunt asks him why he’s not wearing a suit. It’s hard to believe what you are watching.

Planted by Vance which gave him the chance to follow on with his attack. Vance is a such a weak little maggot. He’s ridden on Trump’s coattails, having previously called him America’s Hitler, no chance he would ever be elected for the main role. Hides behind Trump and Project 2025, but thinks he is the architect. Bannon might have something to say about that and it’s why it’s far from automatic that he gets nominated in 2028.

Edited Friday at 23:21 by Gloucester Saint

[revolution saint]

Cunt

[sadoldgit]

It has been intimated that Trump will not comply with the US commitments to supply Ukraine with what has already been agreed to help them continue to fight over the next few months. If that is the case I hope that Europe tells Trump to GFH.

[egg]

10 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It has been intimated that Trump will not comply with the US commitments to supply Ukraine with what has already been agreed to help them continue to fight over the next few months. If that is the case I hope that Europe tells Trump to GFH.

I think there's a real risk of that. Starkink support is also vital, ditto US intelligence. The US have really done a number on Ukraine. Feck knows where we go from here, but credit to Zelensky for not signing a shit deal which gave no guarantee of peace or support. 

[Patrick Bateman]

1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

What an utterly depressing time for freedom and democracy this is. If you told me five years ago that not only would Russia invade Europe but that the US president would effectively be on Putin’s side and throw the victims under the bus, I’d never have believed you. How Americans can vote that pathetic man-baby into the White House I can’t fathom.

Spot on.

Trump and Vance are bullies, sat there like a pair of weedy bullies picking on one guy. They've lost most of the world's support over this, fk them. 

[woksaintly]

Power dressing. Valenski looked like a nerd . He needs to understand that you need look the part  even if it is not your normal dress code. Notwithstanding that Trump deliberately humiliated him which demonstrated how much a  bully he is. His goal is sod Europe get Putin on my side to fight China ECONOMICALLY. Unfortunately for Trump this will all backfire as people who care have other aspirations beside the dollar and Europe will unite behind Ukraine and may even ally with China if Trump impose  restrictive tariffs

[Whitey Grandad]

3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Spot on.

Trump and Vance are bullies, sat there like a pair of weedy bullies picking on one guy. They've lost most of the world's support over this, fk them. 

It’s the first I’ve really seen of Vance.

What an enormous tit.

[sadoldgit]

It’s in incredible. Trump has only been back in power for a few weeks but already he has been more of a useless asshole  than he was in his first term.

What is freaky is that while we are waiting for the final series of The Handmaid’s Tale, it is beginning to look like the start of the story is about to begin.

Edited Friday at 23:48 by sadoldgit

[egg]

5 minutes ago, woksaintly said:

Power dressing. Valenski looked like a nerd . He needs to understand that you need look the part  even if it is not your normal dress code. Notwithstanding that Trump deliberately humiliated him which demonstrated how much a  bully he is. His goal is sod Europe get Putin on my side to fight China ECONOMICALLY. Unfortunately for Trump this will all backfire as people who care have other aspirations beside the dollar and Europe will unite behind Ukraine and may even ally with China if Trump impose  restrictive tariffs

Agreed. It seems pretty clear that Trump wants to divide the BRICS nations and leave China against the rest. The US public will never support any US/Russia double act though, and as you say, we may well see China become more aligned with others.

I said way up there that we could see very interesting alignments. Interesting times. 

[sadoldgit]

19 minutes ago, woksaintly said:

Power dressing. Valenski looked like a nerd . He needs to understand that you need look the part  even if it is not your normal dress code. Notwithstanding that Trump deliberately humiliated him which demonstrated how much a  bully he is. His goal is sod Europe get Putin on my side to fight China ECONOMICALLY. Unfortunately for Trump this will all backfire as people who care have other aspirations beside the dollar and Europe will unite behind Ukraine and may even ally with China if Trump impose  restrictive tariffs

Musk looks more like a nerd than Zelensky but Trump seems to find that look ok. Forget the dress code, Zelensky has more integrity in his little finger nail than Trump, Vance and Musk have put together.

Edited Friday at 23:52 by sadoldgit

[Gloucester Saint]

19 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

It’s the first I’ve really seen of Vance.

What an enormous tit.

Adam Boulton calls it right

 

[The Kraken]

I don’t care what anyone says, I think Donald Trump is a perfectly sane man.
 

 

[benjii]

Imagine turning up in the Oval Office and not wearing a suit! What a cunt!

 

 

[Farmer Saint]

With what he's done in his first 6 weeks in office, and with a growing list of MAGA supporting commentators starting to turn, we could be trending towards a civil war of sorts within the US.

There has also been numerous Democrat commentators speculating that Trump and Musk's erratic behaviour is to push towards the justification of enacting martial law...

[Whitey Grandad]

7 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Adam Boulton calls it right

 

Vance played the whole thing for the benefit of his American audience. He talked about diplomacy yet he is nothing like an international diplomat.

WTF was he doing in that meeting anyway? It’s a meeting between international heads of state to present an agreement and Trump brings along his little pet pug to yap and snarl throughout the whole thing.

[Saint Billy]

Typical of America voting this idiot back in. Trump is a loose canon and totally unstable and yet he is now in a position where he is central to world peace or not.

Putin must be laughing his head off seeing this idiot playing into his hands and allowing him unopposed to invade anywhere and do anything.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

With what he's done in his first 6 weeks in office, and with a growing list of MAGA supporting commentators starting to turn, we could be trending towards a civil war of sorts within the US.

There has also been numerous Democrat commentators speculating that Trump and Musk's erratic behaviour is to push towards the justification of enacting martial law...

Their Ukraine behaviour makes the international headlines but it’s DOGE that it is doing the domestic damage https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-concerns-doge-meeting-white-house-rcna193914

Congressman Thomas Massie has some backbone and can see it is not going to be beneficial, but more of the GOP jellyfish need to turn at the Seante level, Congress was too weak https://www.yahoo.com/news/nkys-thomas-massie-stands-alone-165513220.html

Especially as their national deficit will sharply increase https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/doge/doge-trumps-agenda-calls-adding-trillions-dollars-us-debt-rcna191665

Edited Saturday at 08:27 by Gloucester Saint

[LVSaint]

I'm glad Zelenskyy kept his appointment with Fox News. A surprisingly fair interview for largely an audience who are in short supply of common sense and the bigger picture.
 

 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, LVSaint said:

I'm glad Zelenskyy kept his appointment with Fox News. A surprisingly fair interview for largely an audience who are in short supply of common sense and the bigger picture.
 

 

I thought he came accross much better there to be fair. Maybe it is the case that with English being a second language it's difficult to articulate his meaning as well as he would like. 

[egg]

53 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

Vance played the whole thing for the benefit of his American audience. He talked about diplomacy yet he is nothing like an international diplomat.

WTF was he doing in that meeting anyway? It’s a meeting between international heads of state to present an agreement and Trump brings along his little pet pug to yap and snarl throughout the whole thing.

Absolutely. If it was ever intended to be a respectful two day dialogue it would have been Trump and Zelensky, or those two plus their respective chiefs of staff or similar to give balance in the room. Not the shouty puppet. There was also no need for that huge entourage, including that idiot who pretty much got told his suit was shit which was Zelensky dealing with a heckler well imo. 

It should also not be lost that the Russians had the courtesy of a meeting behind closed doors. Absolutely disgraceful that Zelensky got this staged theatre/kangaroo court instead. 

Tim Marshall in the Times News video above called this right yesterday. He's brilliant on geopolitics and I'll be keeping an eye on what he's got to say in the coming days. Currently his view is as per mine - feck knows where we go from here.

For me, Trump has shown himself to be as Machiavellian as any leader of a civilised country as I can remember, and I'm not sure we've seen anything yet.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, Saint Billy said:

Typical of America voting this idiot back in. Trump is a loose canon and totally unstable and yet he is now in a position where he is central to world peace or not.

Putin must be laughing his head off seeing this idiot playing into his hands and allowing him unopposed to invade anywhere and do anything.

And yet he will probably force a ceasefire/peace in Ukraine. As opposed to another 3 years of the meat grinder cracking on

[egg]

8 hours ago, The Kraken said:

I don’t care what anyone says, I think Donald Trump is a perfectly sane man.
 

 

I've watched that twice now and still have no idea what he was going on about. It was like a drunken rant from the local soak down the pub at the end of the night. Nuts. 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Absolutely. If it was ever intended to be a respectful two day dialogue it would have been Trump and Zelensky, or those two plus their respective chiefs of staff or similar to give balance in the room. Not the shouty puppet. There was also no need for that huge entourage, including that idiot who pretty much got told his suit was shit which was Zelensky dealing with a heckler well imo. 

It should also not be lost that the Russians had the courtesy of a meeting behind closed doors. Absolutely disgraceful that Zelensky got this staged theatre/kangaroo court instead. 

Tim Marshall in the Times News video above called this right yesterday. He's brilliant on geopolitics and I'll be keeping an eye on what he's got to say in the coming days. Currently his view is as per mine - feck knows where we go from here.

For me, Trump has shown himself to be as Machiavellian as any leader of a civilised country as I can remember, and I'm not sure we've seen anything yet.

Stamer was met with the same 'heckler' 

They did not have a slanging match though

[egg]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Stamer was met with the same 'heckler' 

They did not have a slanging match though

Got the link to where some idiot had an unnecessary pop at Starmer please? 

Thank you. 

[egg]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And yet he will probably force a ceasefire/peace in Ukraine. As opposed to another 3 years of the meat grinder cracking on

You seen to overlook that Zelensky wasn't offered a ceasefire yesterday. He had no proposal for sustained peace beyond that. He doesn't even know how Trump and Putin propose carving up Ukraine. 

It was a moronic proposal from a moron. Even the worst Mafia protection rackets promise and give protection. 

Any deal must be a package. It must include for fighting to stop and to stay stopped, an agreement over any border adjustments, and the US giving peace amd protection guarantees for any monies that they get over and what they've given and will give. 

This suggestion that Ukraine should sign whatever in the hope of sustained peace is nonsense. 

[AlexLaw76]

1 minute ago, egg said:

You seen to overlook that Zelensky wasn't offered a ceasefire yesterday. He had no proposal for sustained peace beyond that. He doesn't even know how Trump and Putin propose carving up Ukraine. 

It was a moronic proposal from a moron. Even the worst Mafia protection rackets promise and give protection. 

Any deal must be a package. It must include for fighting to stop and to stay stopped, an agreement over any border adjustments, and the US giving peace amd protection guarantees for any monies that they get over and what they've given and will give. 

This suggestion that Ukraine should sign whatever in the hope of sustained peace is nonsense. 

My view is that we are far nearer the end of fighting now, than at any time in the last 3 years - largely due to trump's right or wrongs (or complete removal from the norms).

Ukraine cannot (and could never) win, so an end soon is the only outcome.

[egg]

2 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

My view is that we are far nearer the end of fighting now, than at any time in the last 3 years - largely due to trump's right or wrongs (or complete removal from the norms).

Ukraine cannot (and could never) win, so an end soon is the only outcome.

I agree entirely on the last part. I've always said that the war will end by negotiation involving Ukraine ceding land, and that's still inevitable. What I never foresaw was the US seeing it's aid as an investment, then expecting a return on that, and then expecting Ukraine to agree to all of that before any deal on the land carve up, and before peace and a sustained ceasefire. 

On the first part, I'm not so sure. Russia will be empowered by this fiasco. 

[Whitey Grandad]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

My view is that we are far nearer the end of fighting now, than at any time in the last 3 years - largely due to trump's right or wrongs (or complete removal from the norms).

Ukraine cannot (and could never) win, so an end soon is the only outcome.

Ukraine wins if it continues to exist.

[Saint Billy]

19 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

And yet he will probably force a ceasefire/peace in Ukraine. As opposed to another 3 years of the meat grinder cracking on

Yes but at who's cost?, no doubt Ukraine at the same time as alienating Europe with Russia being given a free pass to do whatever it likes.

 

[CB Fry]

1 minute ago, Saint Billy said:

Yes but at who's cost?, no doubt Ukraine at the same time as alienating Europe with Russia being given a free pass to do whatever it likes.

 

Quite. And Trump doesn't give a fuck about any of that.

He cares about three things

1) Musk's has told him the value of the minerals so he wants to seize that, that will get him money

2) He wants Russia on side because that gets him money and a powerful "friend" to hang around

3) He wants to say "look at me I stopped the war like I said" which gets him glory 

How any of it is achieved is irrelevant and Ukraine especially is irrelevant. He doesn't give a flying fuck about American people let alone foreigners miles away.

[sadoldgit]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

My view is that we are far nearer the end of fighting now, than at any time in the last 3 years - largely due to trump's right or wrongs (or complete removal from the norms).

Ukraine cannot (and could never) win, so an end soon is the only outcome.

Yes, you said that before and it was just as unlikely then given it is Trump. War is not business, it is war. He wouldn’t know that because he bottled out of the Vietnam war.

As for foreign aid, if you bothered to listen, Russia and China constantly fill the vacuums that we leave and their economic influence spreads. You are probably ok with that. If the West provides support to war torn countries people are more likely to stay rather than make their way her in small boats. You won’t get that from listening to Farage so you probably haven’t given that any thought.

[Saint Billy]

On another note and disregard it if it's already been mentioned. So it's fine for Musk to wear Jeans and a baseball hat with his kid on his shoulders but not for Zelensky to wear his statement gear.

Trump has surrounded himself with people who are as crazy as he his and it smacks of a school bully and his ass licking henchmen.

[Turkish]

3 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yes, you said that before and it was just as unlikely then given it is Trump. War is not business, it is war. He wouldn’t know that because he bottled out of the Vietnam war.

As for foreign aid, if you bothered to listen, Russia and China constantly fill the vacuums that we leave and their economic influence spreads. You are probably ok with that. If the West provides support to war torn countries people are more likely to stay rather than make their way her in small boats. You won’t get that from listening to Farage so you probably haven’t given that any thought.

It isn’t compulsory to make personal digs, mention Farage or be a pious prick every single time you post you know 

Jamie makes a perfectly reasonable post yet rather than respond in keeping with that you litter your post with condescending comments like “if you’d bothered to listen” mentioned Farage  and general tone of a wanker, which we’ve all realised you are. 

 

 

[aintforever]

30 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

My view is that we are far nearer the end of fighting now, than at any time in the last 3 years - largely due to trump's right or wrongs (or complete removal from the norms).

Ukraine cannot (and could never) win, so an end soon is the only outcome.

Or Russia are emboldened by The US pulling support for Ukraine and see an opportunity to complete what they started.

Quick ceasefire, build up their forces again and complete phase two.

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yes, you said that before and it was just as unlikely then given it is Trump. War is not business, it is war. He wouldn’t know that because he bottled out of the Vietnam war.

As for foreign aid, if you bothered to listen, Russia and China constantly fill the vacuums that we leave and their economic influence spreads. You are probably ok with that. If the West provides support to war torn countries people are more likely to stay rather than make their way her in small boats. You won’t get that from listening to Farage so you probably haven’t given that any thought.

China won't be providing transgender clinics in Pakistan or modern art seminars in Afghanistan so I am sure they can do without that kind of support. 

[sadoldgit]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

China won't be providing transgender clinics in Pakistan or modern art seminars in Afghanistan so I am sure they can do without that kind of support. 

What about Ebola prevention in Africa? Perhaps you are ok with Musk stopping that too? You are another one who buys into Farage’s rhetoric but fails to look into the whole picture.

Talking of Farage, what does he do now? He has spent years excusing Trump’s behaviour. How is he going to pass this latest episode off? Just a bit of locker room banter? Don’t take what he says literally? What does he do? Stay loyal to Trump or stand by Ukraine?

[sadoldgit]

Read this and tell me you are ok with more children suffering. It’s ok if they aren’t our children, is that it?

https://www.context.news/socioeconomic-inclusion/britains-foreign-aid-where-does-the-money-go