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11 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Yes. What has that got to do with an elected head of state doing exactly just what he wants to do now that he is in power? We have already seen what Trump thinks of democracy when he was beaten by Biden previously.

I've highlighted a word that might help you out.

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8 minutes ago, aintforever said:

How is Rachel Levine not qualified to be Assistant Secretary for Health?

From Wiki: Levine is a professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine, and previously served as the Pennsylvania physician general from 2015 to 2017 and as secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Health from 2017 to 2021.

Seems quite appropriate to me.

Maybe a follow up question would be - how has Rachel Levine managed to father two children?

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32 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

But does Trump?

He seems to share the same view about “democracy” as Putin does. And yes, Russia is a “democracy” too.

Any “woke” Generals won’t be in post for long.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/trump-pick-us-defence-secretary-pete-hegseth-war-woke-3378077

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1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Yes. What has that got to do with an elected head of state doing exactly just what he wants to do now that he is in power? We have already seen what Trump thinks of democracy when he was beaten by Biden previously.

He can do exactly what he wants, within the constraints of the Constitution and the Supreme Court, which despite it's conservative political leaning will not permit him to exceed the powers of the Presidency, and I suspect that even a pro-Trump Congress would baulk at ripping out parts of the Constitution. Trump was elected with a manifesto, and it obviously appealed to enough of the electorate to put him in the White House. If he goes "too far" the States will challenge him in the Courts, or even bring in local legislation to overrule Federal statute.

I read something yesterday that said he might even struggle to get his trade tariffd through the Senate, even with the GOP controlling it.

EDIT: it's not as if Biden hasn't bypassed Congress and brought in Presidential decrees when he felt it necessary.

 

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3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

He can do exactly what he wants, within the constraints of the Constitution and the Supreme Court, which despite it's conservative political leaning will not permit him to exceed the powers of the Presidency, and I suspect that even a pro-Trump Congress would baulk at ripping out parts of the Constitution. Trump was elected with a manifesto, and it obviously appealed to enough of the electorate to put him in the White House. If he goes "too far" the States will challenge him in the Courts, or even bring in local legislation to overrule Federal statute.

I read something yesterday that said he might even struggle to get his trade tariffd through the Senate, even with the GOP controlling it.

Yeah, the fracking dictator

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1 hour ago, aintforever said:

How is Rachel Levine not qualified to be Assistant Secretary for Health?

From Wiki: Levine is a professor of pediatrics and psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine, and previously served as the Pennsylvania physician general from 2015 to 2017 and as secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of Health from 2017 to 2021.

Seems quite appropriate to me.

Guess you missed the "or people with a history of political activism" bit.

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1 hour ago, whelk said:

Do you think Gaetz is a good selection?

Not sure I've offered any opinion on Trump's picks but as you've asked no I think it's a purely political pick and I am not sure he will be able to get it through at any rate. Plenty of Biden picks I thought were similarly political picks and there wasn't anything like the hysteria from some. 

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35 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Which checks and balances are being withdrawn as Trump replaces Biden? 

He previously put his own people into senior positions in the judiciary and now he is looking to replace senior ranks in the military with his own people. The Republicans have control of everything. He is already ensuring that he will be above the law.

This is the definition of a dictatorship. It is an autocratic form of government which is characterised by a leader or group of leaders who hold governmental powers with few or no limitations.

I know that you have a thing about dictatorial leaders, hence your love in with Thatcher. Your concrete support for Farage, the UK Trump brown noser in chief is also a give away. 

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2 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

 

This is the definition of a dictatorship. It is an autocratic form of government which is characterised by a leader or group of leaders who hold governmental powers with few or no limitations.

You're going to shit your pants when you realise that definition can also apply to the current Labour Govt as well as the previous Tory one.

The rest of us have managed to figure out what a stonking majority means.

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10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Guess you missed the "or people with a history of political activism" bit.

And I think you have also missed the point. When I first mentioned Hesgeth's history of political activism, I wasn't suggesting that alone should preclude him from becoming SecDef. I was merely pointing out that that appears to be the only reason he was chosen for the role, because his CV doesn't exactly shout "top government post" material.

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59 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

He previously put his own people into senior positions in the judiciary and now he is looking to replace senior ranks in the military with his own people. The Republicans have control of everything. He is already ensuring that he will be above the law.

 

There are many thousands of politically appointed positions in the Federal beaurocracy, Joe Biden filled these with 'his own prople' following his 2021 inauguration. Previous Democrat Presidents appointed Supreme Court Justices in their turn, it may be unfortunate, from a particular perspective, that Ruth Bader-Ginsberg died during Trump's first Presidency, but there was no conspiracy around her replacement, other than that was some commentary that it should have been delayed until after the pending Presidential election.

It has been asserted several times in recent Court cases that some actions taken as part of the duties of President of the United States are, indeed, above more commonly interpreted Law. If Trump goes too far the SC will rule against him.

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39 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

You're going to shit your pants when you realise that definition can also apply to the current Labour Govt as well as the previous Tory one.

The rest of us have managed to figure out what a stonking majority means.

I ran to the window, worrying about the sky falling down, before realising I'd just read one of SOG's posts quoted.

From the article linked,

"Early indications are that Donald Trump has increased his vote among working class men, Latino voters and even women."

Oh no! Demographics that the Democrats were in no way trying to convince so they could have a comprehensive win.

"It was not an electoral college landslide of the order of Barack Obama’s in 2008 or Bill Clinton’s in 1996. But it was sufficiently decisive as to command a serious reckoning, and it may well represent a realignment of US politics."

Conservative country elects a party across the board, giving them the mandate to implement changes more easily shocker. I'd expect a realignment too, just as we're doing that here, the other way. The mewling because it's someone disagreed with never seems to apply the other way.

Democrats= Dancing in the streets
Republicans= Existential threat

Hopefully not another 4 years of Democrat supporters failing to understand that demonising, rather than understanding, is going to lead them to the same place in the future.

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53 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

And I think you have also missed the point. When I first mentioned Hesgeth's history of political activism, I wasn't suggesting that alone should preclude him from becoming SecDef. I was merely pointing out that that appears to be the only reason he was chosen for the role, because his CV doesn't exactly shout "top government post" material.

not sure how I've missed the point as I wasn't disputing that, merely pointing out that both sides have indulged in that practice so it's not exactly something new or unique to Trump. In many ways, the fact he's outside of the establishment is probably the biggest reason he has been appointed- and arguably that's the exact mandate Trump has been given. 

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12 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I ran to the window, worrying about the sky falling down, before realising I'd just read one of SOG's posts quoted.

From the article linked,

"Early indications are that Donald Trump has increased his vote among working class men, Latino voters and even women."

Oh no! Demographics that the Democrats were in no way trying to convince so they could have a comprehensive win.

"It was not an electoral college landslide of the order of Barack Obama’s in 2008 or Bill Clinton’s in 1996. But it was sufficiently decisive as to command a serious reckoning, and it may well represent a realignment of US politics."

Conservative country elects a party across the board, giving them the mandate to implement changes more easily shocker. I'd expect a realignment too, just as we're doing that here, the other way. The mewling because it's someone disagreed with never seems to apply the other way.

Democrats= Dancing in the streets
Republicans= Existential threat

Hopefully not another 4 years of Democrat supporters failing to understand that demonising, rather than understanding, is going to lead them to the same place in the future.

Interesting video from a lifelong Democrat and a trans woman. Soggy would do well to watch it and listen. He won't though obviously. 

 

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14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

not sure how I've missed the point as I wasn't disputing that, merely pointing out that both sides have indulged in that practice so it's not exactly something new or unique to Trump. In many ways, the fact he's outside of the establishment is probably the biggest reason he has been appointed- and arguably that's the exact mandate Trump has been given. 

So why did you choose someone who actually does appear (as aintforever has shown) to be very well qualified for the post she was appointed to as an example?

Actually, don't answer that. Given your transparent dislike of trans people, it's pretty obvious really.

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6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So why did you choose someone who actually does appear (as aintforever has shown) to be very well qualified for the post she was appointed to as an example?

Actually, don't answer that. Given your transparent dislike of trans people, it's pretty obvious really.

How disappointing that you'd arrogantly suggest that I have a dislike of all trans people. Extra funny because the post above yours contains a video with a Democrat voting trans woman who I found to be very interesting with perfectly reasonable views. There's no dislike there whatsoever. 

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1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

How disappointing that you'd arrogantly suggest that I have a dislike of all trans people. Extra funny because the post above yours contains a video with a Democrat voting trans woman who I found to be very interesting with perfectly reasonable views. There's no dislike there whatsoever. 

So it's just a coincidence that the two people you used as examples are trans, is it?

What is it about Rachel Levine that you believe makes her unqualified for her role then?

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9 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

So it's just a coincidence that the two people you used as examples are trans, is it?

What is it about Rachel Levine that you believe makes her unqualified for her role then?

That's where you're wrong. Sam Briton is in fact non binary. Not very inclusive of you to assume someone is trans based on how they look. 

I used Rachel levine as an example of someone being appointed for political reasons as I already pointed out. I don't know how true this is but supposedly Pete buttigieg was appointed secretary of transportation because he liked trains. So that would be another example if true. 

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4 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

He previously put his own people into senior positions in the judiciary and now he is looking to replace senior ranks in the military with his own people. The Republicans have control of everything. He is already ensuring that he will be above the law.

This is the definition of a dictatorship. It is an autocratic form of government which is characterised by a leader or group of leaders who hold governmental powers with few or no limitations.

I know that you have a thing about dictatorial leaders, hence your love in with Thatcher. Your concrete support for Farage, the UK Trump brown noser in chief is also a give away. 

You really are clueless……

 

It beggars belief someone is this dopey.  

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10 minutes ago, benjii said:

Matt Gaetz now! 

🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

This is going to be hilarious or terrifying.

 

He is actually a bigger cunt than Trump. Since when did sex trafficking exclude anyone from being fit to govern

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44 minutes ago, whelk said:

Don’t care but I know you are desperate to defend these vile bastards.

Just looking for a bit of balance really. I wouldn't expect Democrat picks to be castigated for something they haven't been found guilty of. I don't think he's a good choice and happy to have my mind changed should some more evidence come to light but as it stands, I wouldn't exclude him based on something that is not yet proven. Normally you're the first to call something a non story and say that no one cares. 

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1 hour ago, aintforever said:

What is her history that makes her so unsuitable then?

"The highest ranking transgender official in U.S. history will give a speech in Texas Saturday, urging physicians-in-training to fight political attacks against young trans people and their families." 

 

"In Levine's new role, LGBTQ youths have been at the forefront of her mind, she said, as dozens of bills targeting transgender youths have been introduced in statehouses across the country — a reality that she said was "unfortunate and disturbing."

"After all, Levine’s central claim – that ‘gender-affirming care… is not in scientific or medical dispute’ – is fundamentally false. ‘Gender-affirming care’, in which clinicians are expected to simply ‘affirm’ a child’s chosen gender identity, has indeed been the norm in recent years across the West. But there is growing criticism of this drastic approach."

"Levine declined to comment on the West tweet, but she calls the recent flurry of anti-transgender rhetoric and legislation “disturbing,” including the North Carolina law. “It just fuels my desire to do my job and to advocate,” she said." 

Plenty of other examples. Like I said, it doesn't necessarily make them unsuitable but it's clear that the political activism was a big reason why they were given the role. 

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18 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

it's clear that the political activism was a big reason why they were given the role. 

Is it? She seems qualified enough to me.

Admiral Rachel L. Levine serves as the 17th Assistant Secretary for Health for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), after being nominated by President Joe Biden and confirmed by the U.S. Senate in 2021. As Assistant Secretary for Health, ADM Rachel Levine fights every day to improve the health and well-being of all Americans. She's working to help our nation overcome the COVID-19 pandemic and build a stronger foundation for a healthier future - one in which every American can attain their full health potential. ADM Levine also is the head of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, one of the eight uniformed services.

After graduating from Harvard College and Tulane University School of Medicine, ADM Levine completed her training in Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine at the Mt. Sinai Medical Center in New York City. As a physician, she focused on the intersection between mental and physical health, treating children, adolescents, and young adults. ADM Levine was a Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine. Her previous posts included: Vice-Chair for Clinical Affairs for the Department of Pediatrics, and Chief of the Division of Adolescent Medicine and Eating Disorders at the Penn State Hershey Medical Center.

In 2015, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf nominated ADM Levine to be Pennsylvania's Physician General and she was subsequently unanimously confirmed by Pennsylvania's state Senate. In March of 2018, ADM Levine was named Pennsylvania's Secretary of Health. During her time in state government, ADM Levine worked to address Pennsylvania's opioid crisis, focus attention on maternal health and improve immunization rates among children. Her decision to issue a standing order for the anti-overdose drug, Naloxone, saved thousands of lives by allowing law enforcement to carry the drug and Pennsylvanians to purchase it without a prescription from their doctor.

ADM Levine is a member of the National Academy of Medicine and a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine, and the Academy for Eating Disorders. She was also the President of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials. In addition to her recent posts in medicine and government, ADM Levine is an accomplished speaker and author of numerous publications on the opioid crisis, adolescent medicine, eating disorders, and LGBT medicine.

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1 minute ago, aintforever said:

Is it? She seems qualified enough to me.

Admiral Rachel L. Levine serves as the 17th Assistant Secretary for Health for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), after being nominated by President Joe Biden and confirmed by the U.S. Senate in 2021. As Assistant Secretary for Health, ADM Rachel Levine fights every day to improve the health and well-being of all Americans. She's working to help our nation overcome the COVID-19 pandemic and build a stronger foundation for a healthier future - one in which every American can attain their full health potential. ADM Levine also is the head of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, one of the eight uniformed services.

After graduating from Harvard College and Tulane University School of Medicine, ADM Levine completed her training in Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine at the Mt. Sinai Medical Center in New York City. As a physician, she focused on the intersection between mental and physical health, treating children, adolescents, and young adults. ADM Levine was a Professor of Pediatrics and Psychiatry at the Penn State College of Medicine. Her previous posts included: Vice-Chair for Clinical Affairs for the Department of Pediatrics, and Chief of the Division of Adolescent Medicine and Eating Disorders at the Penn State Hershey Medical Center.

In 2015, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf nominated ADM Levine to be Pennsylvania's Physician General and she was subsequently unanimously confirmed by Pennsylvania's state Senate. In March of 2018, ADM Levine was named Pennsylvania's Secretary of Health. During her time in state government, ADM Levine worked to address Pennsylvania's opioid crisis, focus attention on maternal health and improve immunization rates among children. Her decision to issue a standing order for the anti-overdose drug, Naloxone, saved thousands of lives by allowing law enforcement to carry the drug and Pennsylvanians to purchase it without a prescription from their doctor.

ADM Levine is a member of the National Academy of Medicine and a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine, and the Academy for Eating Disorders. She was also the President of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials. In addition to her recent posts in medicine and government, ADM Levine is an accomplished speaker and author of numerous publications on the opioid crisis, adolescent medicine, eating disorders, and LGBT medicine.

I didn't mention anything about qualifications. Clearly both Democrat and Republican make a number of appointments at least in part for ideological reasons. It's not even a criticism it's just a fact of government. 

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4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I didn't mention anything about qualifications. Clearly both Democrat and Republican make a number of appointments at least in part for ideological reasons. It's not even a criticism it's just a fact of government. 

Maybe, but that doesn’t mean that’s why Levine was given the job.

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14 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

He's said some very ridiculous things and some very sensible things. There's no doubt that some of the shit they put in American foods are contributing to their poor health and life expectancy. Hopefully he leaves vaccines to the states or to personal choice and just goes after the big pharmaceutical companies which is what he says he is going to do.

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15 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

He's said some very ridiculous things and some very sensible things. There's no doubt that some of the shit they put in American foods are contributing to their poor health and life expectancy. Hopefully he leaves vaccines to the states or to personal choice and just goes after the big pharmaceutical companies which is what he says he is going to do.

When you say goes after big pharmaceutical companies, what is he proposing?

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15 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

When you say goes after big pharmaceutical companies, what is he proposing?

I'm not an expert but I believe he was criticising the high prices that America had to pay for some medications and he was proposing a cap on what can be charged. He's also criticised the fact that certain food additives are banned in most countries but not in America where some of those responsible for banning them have had conflicting industries with some of the big food companies.

I believe he claimed not to be anti vaccine but instead claimed there weren't enough trials to check if they are safe or not (can't say I know enough about that myself but I'm not sure I'd agree with that stance.) 

That all seems reasonable to me but like I said he's also said some mad things about fluoride in the water, MMR vaccine conspiracies and raw milk. 

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32 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not an expert but I believe he was criticising the high prices that America had to pay for some medications and he was proposing a cap on what can be charged. He's also criticised the fact that certain food additives are banned in most countries but not in America where some of those responsible for banning them have had conflicting industries with some of the big food companies.

I believe he claimed not to be anti vaccine but instead claimed there weren't enough trials to check if they are safe or not (can't say I know enough about that myself but I'm not sure I'd agree with that stance.) 

That all seems reasonable to me but like I said he's also said some mad things about fluoride in the water, MMR vaccine conspiracies and raw milk. 

Thanks, hadn’t heard about the high prices, that seems more like a democrats policy. 

He’s inline with the theory of vaccines  causing autism, which has been debunked. As you say US vaccination is driven by state policy not federal although it hasn’t stop share price on pharma companies that produce vaccines reacting to the news of his potential appointment. 

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18 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

Thanks, hadn’t heard about the high prices, that seems more like a democrats policy. 

He’s inline with the theory of vaccines  causing autism, which has been debunked. As you say US vaccination is driven by state policy not federal although it hasn’t stop share price on pharma companies that produce vaccines reacting to the news of his potential appointment. 

Yeah I think those views aren't right. His stuff in nutrition though is great and I fully support all of that. 

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On 14/11/2024 at 05:04, badgerx16 said:

He can do exactly what he wants, within the constraints of the Constitution and the Supreme Court, which despite it's conservative political leaning will not permit him to exceed the powers of the Presidency, and I suspect that even a pro-Trump Congress would baulk at ripping out parts of the Constitution. Trump was elected with a manifesto, and it obviously appealed to enough of the electorate to put him in the White House. If he goes "too far" the States will challenge him in the Courts, or even bring in local legislation to overrule Federal statute.

I read something yesterday that said he might even struggle to get his trade tariffd through the Senate, even with the GOP controlling it.

EDIT: it's not as if Biden hasn't bypassed Congress and brought in Presidential decrees when he felt it necessary.

 

The six fascists on the Court have already ripped that up, by granting him immunity from any prosecution of crimes he commits as President as long as they are "official acts".

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44 minutes ago, Dark Munster said:

The six fascists on the Court have already ripped that up, by granting him immunity from any prosecution of crimes he commits as President as long as they are "official acts".

If they are ruled 'official acts' then they don't exceed the powers of his position.

As for the Constitution, any change requires a two thirds majority in both Houses, and three quarters of all State legislatures to agree.

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