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hypochondriac

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I've seen quite a few Democrat politicians calling for radical cuts in government spending and removing waste from a few years ago. I don't necessarily agree with DOGE but just interesting to note some of the loudest critics have video evidence of these people calling for that exact thing in the past. It's one reason to really dislike politics. 

badgerx16

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  On 22/03/2025 at 11:11, sadoldgit said:

There is a longer list of revoked security clearances though.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/21/politics/security-clearances-trump-harris-clinton

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Anything you can do I can do better.

There is much about Trump's second term that might be interpreted as indicating a megalomaniacal slide towards dictatorship, this isn't part of that. This is just a big man baby throwing a sulk.

badgerx16

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  On 22/03/2025 at 11:42, hypochondriac said:

I've seen quite a few Democrat politicians calling for radical cuts in government spending and removing waste from a few years ago. I don't necessarily agree with DOGE but just interesting to note some of the loudest critics have video evidence of these people calling for that exact thing in the past. It's one reason to really dislike politics. 

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If DOGE actually had a plan, other than slash and burn, published what it intended to do and how it was going to be done, and tried to use established processes, there wouldn't be so much push back. It is the seemingly random, bull in a china shop approach, and the high-profile "OOPS" moments that have lost public support for what in principle is the Republicans enacting their "Small Government" ideal

Those Republican "Town Halls" are so reminiscent of the "This is not the Brexit I voted for" buyer's remorse - I fully support what Trump is doing provided it doesn't impact me personally.

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 22/03/2025 at 12:18, badgerx16 said:

If DOGE actually had a plan, other than slash and burn, published what it intended to do and how it was going to be done, and tried to use established processes, there wouldn't be so much push back. It is the seemingly random, bull in a china shop approach, and the high-profile "OOPS" moments that have lost public support for what in principle is the Republicans enacting their "Small Government" ideal

Those Republican "Town Halls" are so reminiscent of the "This is not the Brexit I voted for" buyer's remorse - I fully support what Trump is doing provided it doesn't impact me personally.

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Exactly this. The likes of Sanders have been calling for less Pentagon expenditure for years and less influence for the military-industrial complex. The most harmful cuts will be at the EPA and National Parks - look at the tens of billions spent under Carter and Reagan onwards to clean up where industry had crapped all over the natural environment for decades unfettered, killing tens of thousands with PCB, asbestos and other toxic waste and leaving the Great Lakes dead.☠️ 

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badgerx16

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  On 23/03/2025 at 06:44, egg said:

The Steve Witkoff interview yesterday is a real eye opener. Too many highlights to summarise here, but fair to say that the Putin/Trump double act seems to be a real thing. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

 

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Europe better watch out if the US foreign policy is being determined on the basis on what language people speak.

Belgium and Switzerland are totally fucked; Belgium's 3 official languages are Dutch, French, and German, so there won't be much left after the borders are redrawn. Much of Switzerland would have to be ceded to Germany, as would parts of northern Italy, and Austria would disappear in a second Anschluss.

Then again, would we want the English speaking US back ? Apart, that is, from the Spanish majority districts that would become part of Mexico.

Is this World view a result of the US education system ?

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 23/03/2025 at 06:44, egg said:

The Steve Witkoff interview yesterday is a real eye opener. Too many highlights to summarise here, but fair to say that the Putin/Trump double act seems to be a real thing. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

 

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The lack of education there is staggering. Where does Trump find these people? What an absolute moron. Putin must be laughing at how easy it is to play Trump and the white hooded idiots around him. 

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badgerx16

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  On 23/03/2025 at 09:50, Gloucester Saint said:

The lack of education there is staggering. Where does Trump find these people? What an absolute moron. Putin must be laughing at how easy it is to play Trump and the white hooded idiots around him. 

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He needs to ensure he stays "the smartest guy in the room",  which probably explains who he picks.

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badgerx16

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Keir Starmer, in an interview with trhe New York Times, has said that he was put under pressure to be publicly critical of President Zelensky in the immediate aftermath of the Trump / Vance pile-on in the Oval Office.

badgerx16

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From the BBC reporting on the SIGNAL leak, this, I think, may end up being the most damaging part of the discussions;

""Whether it's now or several weeks from now, it will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes," the account associated with Waltz wrote on 14 March.

The message continued, saying that at Trump's request, his team was working with the defence department and state department "to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans".

At one point in the thread the Vance account griped that the strikes would benefit the Europeans, because of their reliance on those shipping lanes, adding: "I just hate bailing Europe out again."

The user identified as Hegseth responded three minutes later: "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC.""

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egg

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  On 25/03/2025 at 08:01, badgerx16 said:

From the BBC reporting on the SIGNAL leak, this, I think, may end up being the most damaging part of the discussions;

""Whether it's now or several weeks from now, it will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes," the account associated with Waltz wrote on 14 March.

The message continued, saying that at Trump's request, his team was working with the defence department and state department "to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans".

At one point in the thread the Vance account griped that the strikes would benefit the Europeans, because of their reliance on those shipping lanes, adding: "I just hate bailing Europe out again."

The user identified as Hegseth responded three minutes later: "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC.""

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Those were the parts which struck me too. They must think that it helps us more than it helps Apple and Tesla to have their products arrive here a bit quicker, and at a lesser cost, or they're so stupid they don't see it. 

'All Model 3s for Europe are currently made in the Shanghai Gigafactory and are shipped to Zeebrugge in Belgium, Koper in Slovenia or Barcelona in Spain through the Suez Canal in a journey taking about 30 days At the time of writing the Suez Canal is being avoided by most carriers and are routing via the Cape of Good Hope adding about 10 days to the voyage from Shanghai. It also adds about $200-250 to the shipping cost of each vehicle. All Model 3s and Y's for the UK are currently shipped from Shanghai direct to Southampton'. 

 

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 25/03/2025 at 08:13, egg said:

Those were the parts which struck me too. They must think that it helps us more than it helps Apple and Tesla to have their products arrive here a bit quicker, and at a lesser cost, or they're so stupid they don't see it. 

'All Model 3s for Europe are currently made in the Shanghai Gigafactory and are shipped to Zeebrugge in Belgium, Koper in Slovenia or Barcelona in Spain through the Suez Canal in a journey taking about 30 days At the time of writing the Suez Canal is being avoided by most carriers and are routing via the Cape of Good Hope adding about 10 days to the voyage from Shanghai. It also adds about $200-250 to the shipping cost of each vehicle. All Model 3s and Y's for the UK are currently shipped from Shanghai direct to Southampton'. 

 

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Barely an IQ in double digits on that thread. If Trump wanted to be the smartest person in the room, then he certainly selected his country’s thickest politicians to ensure it. Vance and Hegseth are thickest of the lot. And yes, they probably don’t see it. Anyone who buys a new Tesla after Musk’s behaviour is a wanker anyway.

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egg

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  On 25/03/2025 at 08:20, Gloucester Saint said:

Barely an IQ in double digits on that thread. If Trump wanted to be the smartest person in the room, then he certainly selected his country’s thickest politicians to ensure it. Vance and Hegseth are thickest of the lot. And yes, they probably don’t see it. Anyone who buys a new Tesla after Musk’s behaviour is a wanker anyway.

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Sales are down 49% on this time last year which is nice. 

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Turkish

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  On 25/03/2025 at 08:53, egg said:

Sales are down 49% on this time last year which is nice. 

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prices are crashing too apparently, my mate is buying one as he's been looking at the for a while but now good value 😂

whelk

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  On 25/03/2025 at 09:19, Turkish said:

prices are crashing too apparently, my mate is buying one as he's been looking at the for a while but now good value 😂

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I have heard they are shit and wouldn’t go near one even if Musk behaved like mother Teresa.

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whelk

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  On 25/03/2025 at 08:53, egg said:

Sales are down 49% on this time last year which is nice. 

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I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

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whelk

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  On 25/03/2025 at 08:20, Gloucester Saint said:

Barely an IQ in double digits on that thread. If Trump wanted to be the smartest person in the room, then he certainly selected his country’s thickest politicians to ensure it. Vance and Hegseth are thickest of the lot. And yes, they probably don’t see it. Anyone who buys a new Tesla after Musk’s behaviour is a wanker anyway.

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Vance isn’t thick just a cunt

Turkish

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  On 25/03/2025 at 11:08, whelk said:

I have heard they are shit and wouldn’t go near one even if Musk behaved like mother Teresa.

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no idea, not my thing at all. Taxi drivers seem to love them mind

Gloucester Saint

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  On 25/03/2025 at 09:19, Turkish said:

prices are crashing too apparently, my mate is buying one as he's been looking at the for a while but now good value 😂

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If Musk gets thrown off by the Tesla board, it could be good business as the brand detoxifies, although the lack of focus on the firm over the last few months would make me worried about quality. 

If Musk stays, the depreciation could be quite sharp but he wants to own it for several years and needs it for work, that’s less of an issue. Longer-term if they go kaput or get rescued, I do wonder if it might be a Saab situation - interesting and were once very good cars but can you get spare parts easily and without a second mortgage?

Gamble, but could pay off.

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hypochondriac

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  On 25/03/2025 at 12:29, Gloucester Saint said:

If Musk gets thrown off by the Tesla board, it could be good business as the brand detoxifies, although the lack of focus on the firm over the last few months would make me worried about quality. 

If Musk stays, the depreciation could be quite sharp but he wants to own it for several years and needs it for work, that’s less of an issue. Longer-term if they go kaput or get rescued, I do wonder if it might be a Saab situation - interesting and were once very good cars but can you get spare parts easily and without a second mortgage?

Gamble, but could pay off.

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Isn't one of the advantages of an electric car the fact that there are much less moving parts and thus need for spares? 

sadoldgit

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  On 24/03/2025 at 18:27, benjii said:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/03/trump-administration-accidentally-texted-me-its-war-plans/682151/

 

 

 

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When questioned about this Trump denied any knowledge and trashed The Atlantic is time honoured fashion when cornered. He is either lying (no change there then) or his administration is so poor that they didn’t brief him on this major breach in security.

How on earth do we trust these people enough to share future intelligence with them?

This from last year.

https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/feds-investigating-government-data-breach-impacting-the-five-eyes-intelligence-alliance/

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Gloucester Saint

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  On 25/03/2025 at 12:47, hypochondriac said:

Isn't one of the advantages of an electric car the fact that there are much less moving parts and thus need for spares? 

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They don’t go wrong as often but when they do, it’s a lot more eye watering https://warrantysolutionsgroup.co.uk/electric-vehicles-what-used-car-dealers-need-to-know-about-repair-costs/#:~:text=As electric vehicles (EVs) gain,combustion engine (ICE) counterparts and 

https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/automotive-news/evs-50-expensive-repair-ice-03-10-2024
 

These would be your friend if you had a crunch https://www.evparts.co.uk https://www.evbreakers.com

Servicing is a bit cheaper on the positive side. I’ll ask my brothers in law who are in the trade what they think.

It’s probably like an automatic, look after it on the button as it gets older and it should do at least as good a mileage. But having that bit of luck as well with the battery.

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whelk

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  On 25/03/2025 at 11:09, whelk said:

I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

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Forecasts aren’t good. They can get more insular and continue to believe in American exceptionalism

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/economic-crisis-in-the-making-damning-report-says-u-s-tourism-faces-64-billion-blow-as-trump-administrations-trade-wars-drive-away-foreign-visitors-and-cut-spending/amp_articleshow/119433196.cms

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badgerx16

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  On 25/03/2025 at 13:14, sadoldgit said:

 

How on earth do we trust these people enough to share future intelligence with them?

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Been going on since WW2. In the early 1940s the UK sent a lot of plans and working for advanced aerodynamics and jet engines to the US so that further testing could be carried out without the direct threat of enemy action or espionage. The US was to send back the test results and further design proposals - nothing came back.

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whelk

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  On 25/03/2025 at 13:19, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s not like you Whelk, you normally love a good thick cunt.

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He comes under category of obnoxious colossal cunt. A relatively rare category only used for GM, Musk and Vance. 

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badgerx16

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  On 25/03/2025 at 11:09, whelk said:

I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

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Our SiL used to live and work in San Francisco, and has been invited on a group visit to Las Vegas. He says he will not spend a single penny on travelling to the States whilst Trump is President.

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sadoldgit

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  On 22/03/2025 at 12:11, badgerx16 said:

Anything you can do I can do better.

There is much about Trump's second term that might be interpreted as indicating a megalomaniacal slide towards dictatorship, this isn't part of that. This is just a big man baby throwing a sulk.

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Can’t it be both? He could be having a sulk whilst also hamstringing some of his adversaries at the same time? 

Turkish

Turkish

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  On 25/03/2025 at 11:50, rallyboy said:

Yeah, but they probably love Trump, Vance and Musk too.

 

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Taxi drivers? bit a sweeping generalisation and odd comment. Still no surprise you know who liked it😂

badgerx16

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  On 25/03/2025 at 17:16, sadoldgit said:

Can’t it be both? He could be having a sulk whilst also hamstringing some of his adversaries at the same time? 

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Look at it from the other perspective, should people who are not in Government be given access to secret information ? I personally think certain individuals should, such as the leaders of the opposition parties in the HoC, but Trump has a far more simplistic, peurile and spiteful personality.

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badgerx16

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Tulsi Gabbard in front of the Congressional Committee investigating the SIGNAL group chat was asked to confirm that she was TG in the thread. "I don't want to get into specifics" was her reply, and when pressed on the question repeated this response. Other senior officers who were also involved were asked if they had participated in other SIGNAL chats potentially involving classified information, to a man they all replied "Not that I can recall". Surely they would know if they had used an unsanctioned, insecure device.

The use of SIGNAL in these cases is a breach of the Espionage Act, and against Congressional rules that all communications must be retained. The use of SIGNAL in violation of these rules is to ensure that nothing is retained that might later be subjected to Freedom of Information requests.

 

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benjii

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  On 25/03/2025 at 11:09, whelk said:

I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

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Just go to Mexico/Canada :)

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sadoldgit

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  On 25/03/2025 at 17:26, badgerx16 said:

Look at it from the other perspective, should people who are not in Government be given access to secret information ? I personally think certain individuals should, such as the leaders of the opposition parties in the HoC, but Trump has a far more simplistic, peurile and spiteful personality.

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My point is that we are watching the deconstruction of democracy, piece by piece, in real time, in the USA. The Trump administration want the power that Putin has in Russia which is why they are distancing themselves from the liberal democracies of Europe and moving closer and closer to the autocratic Putin. Even if Trump doesn’t manage to shoehorn himself into a third term his acolytes are working on a Trump Maga clone to take his place. 

I was laughed at when I posted about the rise of the anti democratic far right yet we are seeing it not only in the US, but in Turkey at the moment and these parties are becoming more popular here, in France, Germany and they are already in power in Italy.

The world order is changing and we are watching the it happen daily.

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badgerx16

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The National Security Advisor, Director of National Intelligence, Head of the CIA, Head of the FBI, Vice President, Secretary of Defense, Middle East Special Advisor, and others, have all admitted the SIGNAL exchange happened. Even Trump has said so. Today the Atlantic has published the entire SIGNAL exchange - in response the White House Press Secretary, Karoline Leavitt, has called the new article a hoax.

She must be living in a parallel universe.

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Weston Super Saint

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  On 26/03/2025 at 11:39, sadoldgit said:

My point is that we are watching the deconstruction of democracy, 

I was laughed at when I posted about the rise of the anti democratic far right yet we are seeing it not only in the US, but in Turkey at the moment and these parties are becoming more popular here, in France, Germany and they are already in power in Italy.

 

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Your post starts off by saying we are 'watching the deconstruction of democracy", but then criticises people in Turkey for protesting.

Forgive me, but isn't the right to protest a fundamental right in a democracy, whether or not you agree with the message?

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  On 26/03/2025 at 14:44, Weston Super Saint said:

Your post starts off by saying we are 'watching the deconstruction of democracy", but then criticises people in Turkey for protesting.

Forgive me, but isn't the right to protest a fundamental right in a democracy, whether or not you agree with the message?

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I assume he's referring to the fella clinging on to power, arresting journalists, etc, rather than people protesting about that. 

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Whitey Grandad

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  On 26/03/2025 at 13:29, badgerx16 said:

The National Security Advisor, Director of National Intelligence, Head of the CIA, Head of the FBI, Vice President, Secretary of Defense, Middle East Special Advisor, and others, have all admitted the SIGNAL exchange happened. Even Trump has said so. Today the Atlantic has published the entire SIGNAL exchange - in response the White House Press Secretary, Karoline Leavitt, has called the new article a hoax.

She must be living in a parallel universe.

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Comical Karoline

Saint in Paradise

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I could be wrong but I suspect the author of this article, Thom Hartmann, is not a fan of Trump.

It takes about 8 minutes to read the whole thing:-

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/dear-gop-america-is-not-going-to-forget-and-many-americans-will-never-forgive-opinion/ar-AA1BInaQ?ocid=hpmsn

Below is just to give you a quick taste.

 

Dear Republicans,

Here we go again. A large chunk of Trump‘s cabinet and our national security leaders just endangered our country and our pilots who were flying over Yemen with their arrogance and frank stupidity.

Their lies about it were so egregious that Jeffrey Goldberg published the actual transcript in The Atlantic this morning.

Only the best people, right?

After the corruption of the Coolidge and Hoover administrations crashed the world economy, kicking off the Republican Great Depression in 1929, it took your party decades to rid itself of the stink.

After Nixon committed treason to extend the Vietnam War to get himself re-elected, unnecessarily killing over 20,000 American soldiers and a million Vietnamese civilians, and then got busted for Watergate and the bribes he solicited in the White House, it took you almost a generation to rid yourselves of the stink.

But you’ll never rid yourself of the stink of Donald Trump, America’s first convicted felon and accused rapist president. At least never in the lifetime of anybody around today. Trump’s stench is a tragic part of American history that will last generations.

The entire world knows the fetor of his whipping up a crowd of thousands to try to assassinate the Vice President of the United States and the Speaker of the House because he lost an election.

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