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I've seen quite a few Democrat politicians calling for radical cuts in government spending and removing waste from a few years ago. I don't necessarily agree with DOGE but just interesting to note some of the loudest critics have video evidence of these people calling for that exact thing in the past. It's one reason to really dislike politics. 

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57 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

There is a longer list of revoked security clearances though.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/03/21/politics/security-clearances-trump-harris-clinton

Anything you can do I can do better.

There is much about Trump's second term that might be interpreted as indicating a megalomaniacal slide towards dictatorship, this isn't part of that. This is just a big man baby throwing a sulk.

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36 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I've seen quite a few Democrat politicians calling for radical cuts in government spending and removing waste from a few years ago. I don't necessarily agree with DOGE but just interesting to note some of the loudest critics have video evidence of these people calling for that exact thing in the past. It's one reason to really dislike politics. 

If DOGE actually had a plan, other than slash and burn, published what it intended to do and how it was going to be done, and tried to use established processes, there wouldn't be so much push back. It is the seemingly random, bull in a china shop approach, and the high-profile "OOPS" moments that have lost public support for what in principle is the Republicans enacting their "Small Government" ideal

Those Republican "Town Halls" are so reminiscent of the "This is not the Brexit I voted for" buyer's remorse - I fully support what Trump is doing provided it doesn't impact me personally.

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20 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

If DOGE actually had a plan, other than slash and burn, published what it intended to do and how it was going to be done, and tried to use established processes, there wouldn't be so much push back. It is the seemingly random, bull in a china shop approach, and the high-profile "OOPS" moments that have lost public support for what in principle is the Republicans enacting their "Small Government" ideal

Those Republican "Town Halls" are so reminiscent of the "This is not the Brexit I voted for" buyer's remorse - I fully support what Trump is doing provided it doesn't impact me personally.

Exactly this. The likes of Sanders have been calling for less Pentagon expenditure for years and less influence for the military-industrial complex. The most harmful cuts will be at the EPA and National Parks - look at the tens of billions spent under Carter and Reagan onwards to clean up where industry had crapped all over the natural environment for decades unfettered, killing tens of thousands with PCB, asbestos and other toxic waste and leaving the Great Lakes dead.☠️ 

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2 hours ago, egg said:

The Steve Witkoff interview yesterday is a real eye opener. Too many highlights to summarise here, but fair to say that the Putin/Trump double act seems to be a real thing. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

 

Europe better watch out if the US foreign policy is being determined on the basis on what language people speak.

Belgium and Switzerland are totally fucked; Belgium's 3 official languages are Dutch, French, and German, so there won't be much left after the borders are redrawn. Much of Switzerland would have to be ceded to Germany, as would parts of northern Italy, and Austria would disappear in a second Anschluss.

Then again, would we want the English speaking US back ? Apart, that is, from the Spanish majority districts that would become part of Mexico.

Is this World view a result of the US education system ?

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3 hours ago, egg said:

The Steve Witkoff interview yesterday is a real eye opener. Too many highlights to summarise here, but fair to say that the Putin/Trump double act seems to be a real thing. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62zm4eqvp7o

 

The lack of education there is staggering. Where does Trump find these people? What an absolute moron. Putin must be laughing at how easy it is to play Trump and the white hooded idiots around him. 

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8 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The lack of education there is staggering. Where does Trump find these people? What an absolute moron. Putin must be laughing at how easy it is to play Trump and the white hooded idiots around him. 

He needs to ensure he stays "the smartest guy in the room",  which probably explains who he picks.

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Keir Starmer, in an interview with trhe New York Times, has said that he was put under pressure to be publicly critical of President Zelensky in the immediate aftermath of the Trump / Vance pile-on in the Oval Office.

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From the BBC reporting on the SIGNAL leak, this, I think, may end up being the most damaging part of the discussions;

""Whether it's now or several weeks from now, it will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes," the account associated with Waltz wrote on 14 March.

The message continued, saying that at Trump's request, his team was working with the defence department and state department "to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans".

At one point in the thread the Vance account griped that the strikes would benefit the Europeans, because of their reliance on those shipping lanes, adding: "I just hate bailing Europe out again."

The user identified as Hegseth responded three minutes later: "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC.""

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5 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

From the BBC reporting on the SIGNAL leak, this, I think, may end up being the most damaging part of the discussions;

""Whether it's now or several weeks from now, it will have to be the United States that reopens these shipping lanes," the account associated with Waltz wrote on 14 March.

The message continued, saying that at Trump's request, his team was working with the defence department and state department "to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans".

At one point in the thread the Vance account griped that the strikes would benefit the Europeans, because of their reliance on those shipping lanes, adding: "I just hate bailing Europe out again."

The user identified as Hegseth responded three minutes later: "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It's PATHETIC.""

Those were the parts which struck me too. They must think that it helps us more than it helps Apple and Tesla to have their products arrive here a bit quicker, and at a lesser cost, or they're so stupid they don't see it. 

'All Model 3s for Europe are currently made in the Shanghai Gigafactory and are shipped to Zeebrugge in Belgium, Koper in Slovenia or Barcelona in Spain through the Suez Canal in a journey taking about 30 days At the time of writing the Suez Canal is being avoided by most carriers and are routing via the Cape of Good Hope adding about 10 days to the voyage from Shanghai. It also adds about $200-250 to the shipping cost of each vehicle. All Model 3s and Y's for the UK are currently shipped from Shanghai direct to Southampton'. 

 

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8 minutes ago, egg said:

Those were the parts which struck me too. They must think that it helps us more than it helps Apple and Tesla to have their products arrive here a bit quicker, and at a lesser cost, or they're so stupid they don't see it. 

'All Model 3s for Europe are currently made in the Shanghai Gigafactory and are shipped to Zeebrugge in Belgium, Koper in Slovenia or Barcelona in Spain through the Suez Canal in a journey taking about 30 days At the time of writing the Suez Canal is being avoided by most carriers and are routing via the Cape of Good Hope adding about 10 days to the voyage from Shanghai. It also adds about $200-250 to the shipping cost of each vehicle. All Model 3s and Y's for the UK are currently shipped from Shanghai direct to Southampton'. 

 

Barely an IQ in double digits on that thread. If Trump wanted to be the smartest person in the room, then he certainly selected his country’s thickest politicians to ensure it. Vance and Hegseth are thickest of the lot. And yes, they probably don’t see it. Anyone who buys a new Tesla after Musk’s behaviour is a wanker anyway.

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31 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Barely an IQ in double digits on that thread. If Trump wanted to be the smartest person in the room, then he certainly selected his country’s thickest politicians to ensure it. Vance and Hegseth are thickest of the lot. And yes, they probably don’t see it. Anyone who buys a new Tesla after Musk’s behaviour is a wanker anyway.

Sales are down 49% on this time last year which is nice. 

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25 minutes ago, egg said:

Sales are down 49% on this time last year which is nice. 

prices are crashing too apparently, my mate is buying one as he's been looking at the for a while but now good value 😂

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

prices are crashing too apparently, my mate is buying one as he's been looking at the for a while but now good value 😂

I have heard they are shit and wouldn’t go near one even if Musk behaved like mother Teresa.

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2 hours ago, egg said:

Sales are down 49% on this time last year which is nice. 

I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

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2 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Barely an IQ in double digits on that thread. If Trump wanted to be the smartest person in the room, then he certainly selected his country’s thickest politicians to ensure it. Vance and Hegseth are thickest of the lot. And yes, they probably don’t see it. Anyone who buys a new Tesla after Musk’s behaviour is a wanker anyway.

Vance isn’t thick just a cunt

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16 minutes ago, whelk said:

I have heard they are shit and wouldn’t go near one even if Musk behaved like mother Teresa.

no idea, not my thing at all. Taxi drivers seem to love them mind

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23 minutes ago, Turkish said:

no idea, not my thing at all. Taxi drivers seem to love them mind

Yeah, but they probably love Trump, Vance and Musk too.

 

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14 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Hypocrites with all the shit they threw at Hilary Clinton as well.

Pete B always impresses me. So fucked that Dems can’t seem to gain any traction. Only about 1000 times more serious than Hilary C’s email

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdRPtQvE/

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3 hours ago, Turkish said:

prices are crashing too apparently, my mate is buying one as he's been looking at the for a while but now good value 😂

If Musk gets thrown off by the Tesla board, it could be good business as the brand detoxifies, although the lack of focus on the firm over the last few months would make me worried about quality. 

If Musk stays, the depreciation could be quite sharp but he wants to own it for several years and needs it for work, that’s less of an issue. Longer-term if they go kaput or get rescued, I do wonder if it might be a Saab situation - interesting and were once very good cars but can you get spare parts easily and without a second mortgage?

Gamble, but could pay off.

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17 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

If Musk gets thrown off by the Tesla board, it could be good business as the brand detoxifies, although the lack of focus on the firm over the last few months would make me worried about quality. 

If Musk stays, the depreciation could be quite sharp but he wants to own it for several years and needs it for work, that’s less of an issue. Longer-term if they go kaput or get rescued, I do wonder if it might be a Saab situation - interesting and were once very good cars but can you get spare parts easily and without a second mortgage?

Gamble, but could pay off.

Isn't one of the advantages of an electric car the fact that there are much less moving parts and thus need for spares? 

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18 hours ago, benjii said:

When questioned about this Trump denied any knowledge and trashed The Atlantic is time honoured fashion when cornered. He is either lying (no change there then) or his administration is so poor that they didn’t brief him on this major breach in security.

How on earth do we trust these people enough to share future intelligence with them?

This from last year.

https://www.cpomagazine.com/cyber-security/feds-investigating-government-data-breach-impacting-the-five-eyes-intelligence-alliance/

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28 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Isn't one of the advantages of an electric car the fact that there are much less moving parts and thus need for spares? 

They don’t go wrong as often but when they do, it’s a lot more eye watering https://warrantysolutionsgroup.co.uk/electric-vehicles-what-used-car-dealers-need-to-know-about-repair-costs/#:~:text=As electric vehicles (EVs) gain,combustion engine (ICE) counterparts and 

https://www.motortrader.com/motor-trader-news/automotive-news/evs-50-expensive-repair-ice-03-10-2024
 

These would be your friend if you had a crunch https://www.evparts.co.uk https://www.evbreakers.com

Servicing is a bit cheaper on the positive side. I’ll ask my brothers in law who are in the trade what they think.

It’s probably like an automatic, look after it on the button as it gets older and it should do at least as good a mileage. But having that bit of luck as well with the battery.

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2 hours ago, whelk said:

I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

Forecasts aren’t good. They can get more insular and continue to believe in American exceptionalism

https://m.economictimes.com/news/international/us/economic-crisis-in-the-making-damning-report-says-u-s-tourism-faces-64-billion-blow-as-trump-administrations-trade-wars-drive-away-foreign-visitors-and-cut-spending/amp_articleshow/119433196.cms

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2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

 

How on earth do we trust these people enough to share future intelligence with them?

Been going on since WW2. In the early 1940s the UK sent a lot of plans and working for advanced aerodynamics and jet engines to the US so that further testing could be carried out without the direct threat of enemy action or espionage. The US was to send back the test results and further design proposals - nothing came back.

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6 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

That’s not like you Whelk, you normally love a good thick cunt.

He comes under category of obnoxious colossal cunt. A relatively rare category only used for GM, Musk and Vance. 

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2 hours ago, whelk said:

I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

Our SiL used to live and work in San Francisco, and has been invited on a group visit to Las Vegas. He says he will not spend a single penny on travelling to the States whilst Trump is President.

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On 22/03/2025 at 12:11, badgerx16 said:

Anything you can do I can do better.

There is much about Trump's second term that might be interpreted as indicating a megalomaniacal slide towards dictatorship, this isn't part of that. This is just a big man baby throwing a sulk.

Can’t it be both? He could be having a sulk whilst also hamstringing some of his adversaries at the same time? 

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5 hours ago, rallyboy said:

Yeah, but they probably love Trump, Vance and Musk too.

 

Taxi drivers? bit a sweeping generalisation and odd comment. Still no surprise you know who liked it😂

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6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Can’t it be both? He could be having a sulk whilst also hamstringing some of his adversaries at the same time? 

Look at it from the other perspective, should people who are not in Government be given access to secret information ? I personally think certain individuals should, such as the leaders of the opposition parties in the HoC, but Trump has a far more simplistic, peurile and spiteful personality.

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5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Isn't one of the advantages of an electric car the fact that there are much less moving parts and thus need for spares? 

A lot more software to be fiddled with.

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Tulsi Gabbard in front of the Congressional Committee investigating the SIGNAL group chat was asked to confirm that she was TG in the thread. "I don't want to get into specifics" was her reply, and when pressed on the question repeated this response. Other senior officers who were also involved were asked if they had participated in other SIGNAL chats potentially involving classified information, to a man they all replied "Not that I can recall". Surely they would know if they had used an unsanctioned, insecure device.

The use of SIGNAL in these cases is a breach of the Espionage Act, and against Congressional rules that all communications must be retained. The use of SIGNAL in violation of these rules is to ensure that nothing is retained that might later be subjected to Freedom of Information requests.

 

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7 hours ago, whelk said:

I hear tourism is dipping significantly. Wouldn’t catch me going there. I had said would go to World Cup, not a chance now. 

Just go to Mexico/Canada :)

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1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Taxi drivers? bit a sweeping generalisation and odd comment. Still no surprise you know who liked it😂

Yeah, sorry for being odd, we can't have that on here.

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