benjii Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 12:50, hypochondriac said: Why wouldn't you want to swap lives with him? Expand Sausage fingers.
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 12:50, hypochondriac said: Why wouldn't you want to swap lives with him? Expand I am not a hypocrite.
sadoldgit Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Extraordinary pile on Zelensky by Trump and Vance on national TV. Putin will be loving this.
whelk Posted February 28 Posted February 28 What a couple of cunts Trump and Vance are. Everything the world hates about arrogant Americans. Shames he pisses his pants when next to Putin. Real tough guy 3
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Looks like Zelensky is leaving without signing the "deal". Trump has just posted this on TruthSocial "We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. "Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure. "It’s amazing what comes out through emotion, and I have determined that President Zelensky is not ready for Peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. "I don’t want advantage, I want PEACE. "He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office. "He can come back when he is ready for Peace.”
sadoldgit Posted February 28 Posted February 28 The only person I saw being disrespected was Zelensky. His country has been invaded and his so called allies treated him like a naughty child who needs to be put in his place. The MAGA crowd will lap it up. Normal people will be horrified. 5
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) On 28/02/2025 at 18:21, whelk said: What a couple of cunts Trump and Vance are. Everything the world hates about arrogant Americans. Shames he pisses his pants when next to Putin. Real tough guy Expand That may be true but Zelensky was tactically clueless. Starmer played it fantastically by comparison. Arguing with Trump in the White House is only going to end one way. It sucks for us because it means the UK taxpayer is going to be even more under the cosh to finance the war. Edited February 28 by hypochondriac 1
sadoldgit Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Vance knows more about what is going on in Ukraine than Zelensky apparently. He hasn’t been there. He has seen it on TV.
AlexLaw76 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 I bet Zelensky did not imagine it going like that. If this brings about the end of the war, then that is a bonus
Gloucester Saint Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) Element of Punch & Judy there but it didn’t reflect well on America as a spectacle on the face of it. I’m very cynical though and I wonder if some of that was deliberate to soften up Putin so Trump catches him with a sidewinder at the next talks? Engineer a public argument, Putin gets more comfortable, whack. Maybe even tipped off Starmer about what they had planned? Trump already breached Putin’s red line about European troops on the ground being saying it was alright by them the other day. Edited February 28 by Gloucester Saint
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:50, hypochondriac said: That may be true but Zelensky was tactically clueless. Starmer played it fantastically by comparison. Arguing with Trump in the White House is only going to end one way. It sucks for us because it means the UK taxpayer is going to be even more under the cosh to finance the war. Expand Zelensky was being deliberately humiliated on live TV, what should he have done ? Vance and Trump were going out of their ways to bully him. 5
sadoldgit Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) On 28/02/2025 at 18:50, hypochondriac said: That may be true but Zelensky was tactically clueless. Starmer played it fantastically by comparison. Arguing with Trump in the White House is only going to end one way. It sucks for us because it means the UK taxpayer is going to be even more under the cosh to finance the war. Expand It can’t be easy when your first language is not English and you are on your own being harangued by two idiots whilst your people are being bombed and shot at. I thought he was very restrained under the circumstances. And any more financial problems for us are nothing compared to what the Ukrainians are going through. Edited February 28 by sadoldgit Typo 2
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:53, Gloucester Saint said: Element of Punch & Judy there but it didn’t reflect well on America as a spectacle. I’m very cynical though and I wonder if some of that was deliberate to soften up Putin so Trump catches him with a sidewinder at the next talks? Maybe even tipped off Starmer about what they had planned? Trump already breached Putin’s red line about European troops on the ground being alright by him the other day. Expand Trump wants Putin as a counter-balance to China, so won't piss him off too much. He loves "strong man" leaders. 1
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:54, badgerx16 said: Zelensky was being deliberately humiliated on live TV, what should he have done ? Vance and Trump were going out of their ways to bully him. Expand Be a lot more conciliatory in public and save the pointed remarks for private. It doesn't matter if he is personally disrespected, what matters is his country supposedly. He knows what Trump is like, suck it up, show gratitude for the support America has already given him and do the negotiating on private. Use diplomacy.
Gloucester Saint Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:54, badgerx16 said: Zelensky was being deliberately humiliated on live TV, what should he have done ? Vance and Trump were going out of their ways to bully him. Expand Don’t get me wrong, the optics were horrific, but I’ve a gut feeling it was a bit confected. Trump knows Putin doesn’t like losing face, so he wouldn’t do it in public to him, but behind the scenes there might be less filter.
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:56, sadoldgit said: It can’t be easy when your first language is not English and you are on your own being harangued by two idiots whilst your people are being bombed and shit at. I thought he was very restrained under the circumstances. And any more financial problems for us are nothing compared to what the Ukrainians are going through. Expand Brilliant. We can write to the government and let them know that you'll be happy to my share. After all it's nothing compared to what Ukrainians are going through so I'm sure you'll have no problem.
whelk Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:50, hypochondriac said: That may be true but Zelensky was tactically clueless. Starmer played it fantastically by comparison. Arguing with Trump in the White House is only going to end one way. It sucks for us because it means the UK taxpayer is going to be even more under the cosh to finance the war. Expand I haven’t seen the full transcript but he looked ambushed by a couple of odious cunts. How you think that is on him is beyond me. 7
whelk Posted February 28 Posted February 28 An absolute embarrassment for Trump. Reasonable Trump voters won’t think he looked strong and clear to any right minded person there is clear good v evil in this conflict. Depressing 4
whelk Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:57, Gloucester Saint said: Don’t get me wrong, the optics were horrific, but I’ve a gut feeling it was a bit confected. Trump knows Putin doesn’t like losing face, so he wouldn’t do it in public to him, but behind the scenes there might be less filter. Expand I did read that Trump touched Zelensky’s shoulder on the way out in a sympathetic gesture. Wonder if he is actually impressed with Vance’s behaviour? 1
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:59, whelk said: I haven’t seen the full transcript but he looked ambushed by a couple of odious cunts. How you think that is on him is beyond me. Expand You misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that you have to do what is necessary to ingratiate yourself with Trump in order to get more of what you want. How does it serve Ukraine or Zelensky by arguing publicly with Trump even if he is in the right? We all know Starmer thinks Trump is a massive bellend but let's say Trump publicly rebuked him yesterday, the last thing Starmer would have done would be to continue a fight. Zelensky has struck the wrong tone here even if it's understandable given what he's going through. 1
Gloucester Saint Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 18:56, badgerx16 said: Trump wants Putin as a counter-balance to China, so won't piss him off too much. He loves "strong man" leaders. Expand The one thing about this regime is that it is unpredictable but I think they are also trying to reel Putin and Russia in a bit as well. I don’t excuse it at all, America would have wagged it’s finger if the UK had behaved like that to a Global South leader like that in the past, but this is a President who rebuilt his career from bankruptcy through Mark Burnett’s TV programme. He knows how to work the cameras and that just felt staged. He also takes Nixon’s Mad Man theory to an extreme.
LGTL Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Incredible exchange. Trump and Vance smelt blood and went for the little guy. No way they’d ever act like that to Putin. Having said that, it’s extraordinary that he didn’t know how to play Trump. Massage his ego, it’s all he’s interested in. 4
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:04, hypochondriac said: You misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that you have to do what is necessary to ingratiate yourself with Trump in order to get more of what you want. How does it serve Ukraine or Zelensky by arguing publicly with Trump even if he is in the right? Expand I don't think Trump, and especially Vance, like being corrected when they come out with clearly incorrect 'facts'. 1
whelk Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:04, hypochondriac said: You misunderstand me. What I'm saying is that you have to do what is necessary to ingratiate yourself with Trump in order to get more of what you want. How does it serve Ukraine or Zelensky by arguing publicly with Trump even if he is in the right? We all know Starmer thinks Trump is a massive bellend but let's say Trump publicly rebuked him yesterday, the last thing Starmer would have done would be to continue a fight. Zelensky has struck the wrong tone here even if it's understandable given what he's going through. Expand But I don’t think he antagonised and they looked like they planned to have a go. “You haven’t even said thank you” “I have many times” Vance is like a bullying character in a movie who is clearly in it to be the most hated person taken down by the good guy to make the viewers feel good about someone so vile getting their comeuppance. Sort of bloke who would say “do you know how much I earn?” 1
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:07, LGTL said: Incredible exchange. Trump and Vance smelt blood and went for the little guy. No way they’d ever act like that to Putin. Having said that, it’s extraordinary that he didn’t know how to play Trump. Massage his ego, it’s all he’s interested in. Expand Exactly. It was amateurish and I have no idea why he didn't prepare beforehand.
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:09, badgerx16 said: I don't think Trump, and especially Vance, like being corrected when they come out with clearly incorrect 'facts'. Expand So if you know that's the case, probably best not to correct them in a public way and in a clearly irritated fashion that they must have known would elict an annoyed response.
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Apparently an interview with Zelensky on FOX News at 23:00 GMT is still going ahead.
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) On 28/02/2025 at 19:10, whelk said: But I don’t think he antagonised and they looked like they planned to have a go. “You haven’t even said thank you” “I have many times” Vance is like a bullying character in a movie who is clearly in it to be the most hated person taken down by the good guy to make the viewers feel good about someone so vile getting their comeuppance. Sort of bloke who would say “do you know how much I earn?” Expand I wouldn't be antagonised by what he did but it was obvious that Trump would be. His manner and his very obvious irritation was clearly going to get Trump and Vance's backs up. I don't know why he did that personally. Edited February 28 by hypochondriac
Gloucester Saint Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) On 28/02/2025 at 19:10, hypochondriac said: Exactly. It was amateurish and I have no idea why he didn't prepare beforehand. Expand Or it was for Russian state TV to soften Putin up before the next talks, and then break the Russian position down further without Putin losing loads of face, because he is holding on at home. He wants to keep Putin in place to keep China guessing but not too strongly that it causes Vlad to eye up Europe. I hate Putin and would rather he didn’t exist but what followed what might more lethal still. Vance nearly blew that I reckon, Trump’s voice and facial expression towards JD were two different things at times. Edited February 28 by Gloucester Saint
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:14, sadoldgit said: Do we know if he left without signing the deal yet? Expand The deal has not been signed.
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:15, Gloucester Saint said: Or it was for Russian state TV to soften Putin up before the next talks, and then break the Russian position down further without Putin losing loads of face, because he is holding on at home. He wants to keep Putin in place to keep China guessing but not too strongly. Vance nearly blew that I reckon, Trump’s voice and facial expression towards JD were two different things at times. Expand Is Trump a figurehead whilst Vance is the Project2025 attack dog ? 1
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:15, Gloucester Saint said: Or it was for Russian state TV to soften Putin up before the next talks, and then break the Russian position down further without Putin losing loads of face, because he is holding on at home. He wants to keep Putin in place to keep China guessing but not too strongly. Vance nearly blew that I reckon, Trump’s voice and facial expression towards JD were two different things at times. Expand I don't think they are that cunning to be honest but would be fascinating if true.
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Extremely pro Ukraine twitter account agrees that no one came out of that exchange well
whelk Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:19, hypochondriac said: Extremely pro Ukraine twitter account agrees that no one came out of that exchange well Expand We get it. You like Trump 2
hypochondriac Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:25, whelk said: We get it. You like Trump Expand I expected a slightly stronger take from you on this.
badgerx16 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Putin's poodles in the GOP are coming out and praising Trump and Vance for 'standing up for the USA'. 1
Jimmy_D Posted February 28 Posted February 28 The US president has never looked weaker on the world stage. 5
sadoldgit Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Got to feel gutted for the Ukrainians watching that on TV. Putin one side and Trump on the other. A perfect definition of being between a rock and a hard place. 2
whelk Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:32, badgerx16 said: Putin's poodles in the GOP are coming out and praising Trump and Vance for 'standing up for the USA'. Expand Move to Ukraine you faggot!
sadoldgit Posted February 28 Posted February 28 Zelensky had already been softened up by Trump’s earlier rhetoric about him being a dictator and having an approval rating of 4%. You could tell from his expression that he felt he was being used to show what big tough guys Trump and Vance are. Trouble is they would never dare treat Putin that way. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:39, Jimmy_D said: The US president has never looked weaker on the world stage. Expand Really? Is that why he is literally holding court whilst we all kiss his arse?
Jimmy_D Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:55, AlexLaw76 said: Really? Is that why he is literally holding court whilst we all kiss his arse? Expand Every single ally the US has are currently moving to isolate from the US as much as is possible and are treating its president like a toddler. 1
AlexLaw76 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 (edited) On 28/02/2025 at 20:01, Jimmy_D said: Every single ally the US has are currently moving to isolate from the US as much as is possible and are treating its president like a toddler. Expand Yeah, OK. When is the unprecedented 2nd state visit? Edited February 28 by AlexLaw76
The Kraken Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 20:01, Jimmy_D said: Every single ally the US has are currently moving to isolate from the US as much as is possible and are treating its president like a toddler. Expand Is that why Starmer made a point of repeatedly saying that any peace deal has to involve USA as its backstop? 1
AlexLaw76 Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 20:04, The Kraken said: Is that why Starmer made a point of repeatedly saying that any peace deal has to involve USA as its backstop? Expand Exactly Trump knows full well the Western world cannot function as it does unless it is guaranteed by the USA. Now, rightly or wrongly, he is taxing us all for decades of this privilege
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted February 28 Posted February 28 On 28/02/2025 at 19:11, badgerx16 said: Apparently an interview with Zelensky on FOX News at 23:00 GMT is still going ahead. Expand Nothing short of him getting on his knees and declaring his love, respect and gratitude to Trump will repair the damage that has been caused. Who advises Zelensky?!?!
Colinjb Posted February 28 Posted February 28 This is what happens when a man of honour tries to deal with entitled toddlers. It would appear the 'Art of the Deal' isn't so easy to dictate when it's not currency, but a matter of life and death. 2
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